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November 24, 2011

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Manny Branco

Amen Monica!

A Twitter User

An interesting take on Thanksgiving.
http://www.writeonnevada.com/
Have a Blessed Day, ALL!

gringoman

Thanksgiving Greetings to Monica et al!

Of course, lots of citizens today don't seem very thankful, even if you're not supposed to mention it. At any rate. here is another submitted reason for gratitude: The US is still not anywhere near the situation in Vietnam during that war, at least not yet. None find themselves in the situation, for example, of a popular and well-respected cleric, in this account from the gringomanic archives.


The Saigon Post
May 10, 1971

LAST LETTER

Government sources have made available to this column the transcript of a letter found in the pocket of a Catholic priest near Hue in 1968. It' the first known letter recovered from a victim of the Communist massacres during their 1968 Winter-Spring Offensive .

The body of Father Buu Dong, age 57, was found on November 8, 1969 at Luong Vien which is about 30 kilometers northeast of Hue. The bodies of two other Catholic priests were in the same grave. This location contained a series of graves with a total of 20 bodies.

Father Buu-Dong was a popular figure in charge of the Su-Lo An Truyen Parish in Phu Vang District. A dangerous combination for him: he was very popular, respected and non-Communist.

The letter he left is on one sheet of paper folded three times. Circumstantial evidence clearly indicates that it was composed during the time of his captivity. It's a testament written to his family. He has no hope of ever seeing them again on Earth, "but I hope to meet you in God's country, my dear parents."

He has entrusted a friar to carry back to them "all my belongings and to be divided among you." He has also decided on "the recipients of the three sewing machines."

Sources say that a boy who tends buffalo led authorities to the graves of Father Buu-Dong and the others. This boy reportedly witnessed the executions five months earlier. He did not at first report what he saw because VC strength in the area was still too intimidating. The boy said that Father Buu-Dong was shot and the other two priests were killed by clubbing their heads with the stock of a rifle.

The buffalo boy also said that Father Buu-Dong had asked his captors to permit him to go see the Vietcong District Commissioner because he was innocent. Permission was not granted.

Government sources have also made available to this column the transcript of the VC Battle Plan for the 1968 Tet Offensive against Hue. Paragraph II, sub-headed Religion, provides background on events such as those which doomed Father Buu-Dong and others. Section 'a' deals with Catholics.

"We must encircle churches and schools. In case the enemy hides inside the church, we must pursue and capture him. Priests and vicars who conceal and protect the enemy must be arrested immediately.

"We must explain to the people our reasons; at the same time, force them to give us their weapons. We should carefully judge criminals in order to determine their punishment ("death or imprisonment.")

The transcript of Father Buu-Dong's letter has been translated into English. Below is the complete text.

FATHER BUU-DONG'S TESTAMENT FOUND ON HIS BODY UNCOVERED ON 08.11.1969 AT LUONG VIEN.

I humbly bow myself to you, my dear parents.

You will be very sad to lose a child. Though I am not fortunate enough to attend on you in my old age, I think you would find comfort in and be pleased with learning that through love for God and for men I have bravely discharged my duty as a Catholic priest and a believer,

I beg you to forgive me for all that may have displeased you during the past 57 years.

I hope to meet you in God's country, my dear parents, please pray for me (an illegible line.)

Younger bothers Claudia, Hiep, An Xuyen, Thieu, Tuong Anh, Xuan, Raphael, Ling, Khue, Nhu, Sao, Khoi, Chinh Duan, Nghi Dien and my near and far paternal and maternal relatives.

I hope to see you all in Paradise.

Please pray for me whether I am alive or dead. Your elder brother.

I entrusted Friar XH with arranging with you to carry back all my belongings and to be divided among you. I have decided on the recipients of the three sewing machines.

Dear Children of Christ:

This is my last writing to remind you of Peter's blessing on the host in the storm...(3 illegible words.)

Please remember my blessings in the beginning of spring on my religious mission and pray for me when my life ends in accordance with God's will.

(Love Maria, and forgive all errors (1 word illegible.)

Let me thank you....(4 illegible words) Pray to God to forgive me. Sincerely pray for me so that I may live in love, austerity, to establish peace for Christ, to spiritually serve God and Maria's spiritual children.

Pray for me so that I may peacefully and bravely endure all spiritual and physical sufferings and that I may confide my body to God through Maria.

I hope we shall meet in God's country.

God bless you (end of letter)

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jay

Thanksgiving to all on the memo.
even to the irregular turkeys!

xbjllb

Save her from yourselves. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Happy Thanksgiving, Pumpkin. Probably not the only table in America where politics is verboten, but I'm betting the best-enforced.

Love to the family!

xbjllb

As to Gringoman's missive, just think. Without people like him in the world, there would never be any Viet Nam's in the world IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And that's when crap like that has to be stopped DEAD; IN THE FIRST PLACE.

xbjllb

Why the Pilgrims rejected socialism and embraced capitalism:

GREED.

James

Thanksgiving should be a time that the nation comes together as a whole. In that light, there is an interesting article about the Southern Battle Flag, and whether the fight to ban it is just the beginning of the fight to "deconstruct" America:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/the_civil_war_is_over_let_the_battle_flag_be.html

Who knows? We may not have a Thanksgiving come next year if the same radicals and leftists are re-elected.

Ummahgummah

And what is your alternative? Just cut spending? No investments other than securing the wealthy stay...wealthy, while the rest of the country suffers? Common sense doesn't register to you guys, huh?

Posted by: Rafe | November 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM

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MORE LIBERAL TALKING POINTS!!!

FLAMING LIBERAL TALKING POINTS.

Only a FLAMING LIB would call more taxation "investments".

WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DEFINE AS "WEALTHY", lib? Give us an EXACT NUMBER, one for a single, another for a married couple.

Can't wait to hear this one.

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LongRifle

I'm sure the Indians are thankful they are not extinct.

Ummahgummah

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LOL

Gringoman exposes a larazista AND the X-lax in one fell swoop. The RACIST larazista doesn't want "whitey" X-lax's help.

HAHAHA!!!

GO SUCK ON IT, X-lax you honkey.

Your own "clients" despise and hate you, IDIOT!

You think moslems feel any different than this hijo de puta?

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anon

From the new TV sitcom: Michelle Knows Best

Episode #2: Thanksgiving at the White House


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We join the First Family in the formal dining room of the White House as they begin their Thanksgiving feast. Both Obama daughters, Sasha and Malia, are present. Guests include the former Green Jobs Czar, Van Jones; filmmaker Michael Moore; MSNBC broadcaster Rachel Maddow; and Barack’s half brother, Malik. On the menu are arugula salad with low-fat, imitation turkey bits; organic, free-range turkey burgers on spelt buns; sheep’s-milk cheese dusted with oregano and red chili powder; free-trade decaffeinated lattes and African rooibos tea delivered from a nearby Starbucks; and a cornucopia of domestic and imported fruit. The cook was also given permission to prepare fried chicken and chitlins, but these items were to be kept out of sight, available to the help and anyone else who cares to come eat in the kitchen.

MICHAEL MOORE

[chewing with a sour face] This arugula salad is fantastic. Whose idea was it?

BARACK

[cocks his head to one side; lifts his chin] I have to say, it was my idea. But the real credit must go to our Moroccan chef, Jamal. Ahh, his couscous is the best in the world.

MALIA

Daddy, why can’t we have a big old turkey, like everybody else?

BARACK

We’re not everybody else, dear. We have to set an example for the entire country. When people find out what we’ve been eating, they’ll do the same. You just wait till next year, and ask your classmates what they have on their Thanksgiving table. You’ll see.

RACHEL MADDOW

Yeah, but still, no matter what you do, some neanderthal Republican gun-toting Bible-thumping redneck in Idaho will never give up his big, fat turkey.

VAN JONES

After he shoots it himself and drinks the blood.

SASHA

Ewww … that’s gross. [chuckle from studio audience]

MALIK OBAMA

I like the turkeys. Very expensive in Kenya. Good bird. I shoot one, too.

Michelle rolls her eyes.

RACHEL MADDOW

Tell us more, Mr. President, about your efforts to create a new kind of Thanksgiving for America.

BARACK

Umm … uhh …

MICHELLE

I’ll handle this one, Barry. Changes to the menu, that’s only the beginning. Look, Rachel, people are tired of all that Pilgrim nonsense. Cute little Indians were slaves for the white settlers … ughh, I could puke. Then they sat around eating all that trans fat, making their kids obese.

VAN JONES

Hey, what d’ya expect? The white man’s exploitation of the colored masses, justified and glorified by a white man’s story.

RACHEL MADDOW

Well, not just a white man’s story.

MICHELLE

We feel that the time is ripe for a new myth, a new saga for a transformed America. Very soon, we’re going to hold a special press conference, and unveil the Task Force for a Fair Autumn Holiday.

BARACK

[smiling] Maybe Rachel would like to be in the running for chairperson of the Task Force.

RACHEL MADDOW

Would I like it? [face lights up] I would love it! That is so cool … totally awesome …

MICHELLE

[flashes a scowl at Barack] It’s possible, but we can’t guarantee anything … there’s this little issue, you see.

VAN JONES

You mean appointing someone who represents the people of color who have been excluded from the holiday for centuries?

MICHELLE

Exactly. Now the new and improved holiday is going to be called Foliage. This is obviously a reference to the lovely leaves of autumn. But more importantly, it’s symbolic of the multiple colors of the people who immigrated to America from all over the world.

VAN JONES

And some who were forcibly immigrated.

MICHELLE

You said it, brother.

MICHAEL MOORE

Wow … like, far out, man. I’ll make a movie about it! First scene is some rich Wall Street dude celebrating the old Thanksgiving in his posh Park Avenue pad. Then cut to a village in Vietnam being napalmed. Then some ordinary, multicolored Americans celebrating Foliage … I can see it now … Just needs a catchy title.

BARACK

How about ‘An Inconvenient Turkey’?

RACHEL MADDOW

Excellent idea, Mr. President!

BARACK

You can call me Barry.

Michelle kicks her husband under the table, causing him to grimace and grab his ankle. Laughter from studio audience.

MICHELLE

The Foliage holiday will be celebrated both in America and around the world, to give hope to all the people who want to come live here.

MALIK OBAMA

From Africa, too?

MICHELLE

From everywhere. Now in the Foliage story, instead of white English Pilgrims, we have a group representing all the major races. They escape from Palestine, row across the ocean in a raft, almost starve to death, and finally come ashore at Martha’s Vineyard. Sasha and Malia, who happen to be playing on the beach, find them and bring them straight to our house—straight to the president’s table, where we share with them our organic, free-range turkey burgers. The president then stands up and thanks the Almighty for giving America even more diversity.

RACHEL MADDOW

Oh … it’s so … so … [tears well up in her eyes] … so beautiful.

All present remain silent for several moments, in awe of the revolutionary idea that was set before them.

RACHEL MADDOW

But will gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered individuals be represented on the raft?

MICHELLE

Do you always have to start up with that gay routine?

BARACK

Michelle! Don’t you remember what we said about that?

Michelle folds her arms and sulks.

MALIK OBAMA

I have an idea, my brother.

BARACK

Yes, Malik, go ahead.

MALIK OBAMA

Why not sail the raft from Kenya?

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Applause from audience. Theme song and credits.

ANNOUNCER: Tune in next week for another zany adventure on Michelle Knows Best.

Fade out; cut to commercial for whitewater rafting on the Harlem River.

Ummahgummah

In fifty years you gringos will be picking OUR lettuce and cleaning OUR toilets.
POSTED BY: LUIS VICENTE GUTIÉRREZ | NOVEMBER 24, 2011 AT 02:54 PM

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Keep DREAMING, spic.

Let's see if this racist wetback can take as good as he gives.

raaaaaathifth!!

BUT BOOSH!!

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Ummahgummah

Who knows? We may not have a Thanksgiving come next year if the same radicals and leftists are re-elected.

POSTED BY: JAMES | NOVEMBER 24, 2011 AT 02:25 PM

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Even when we vote them the F*CK out, they STILL have all their sleepers occupying the various judicial benches, ready to RULE against the people at the slightest hint of a LIEberal lawsuit.

The assault never ends..

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Steve Morgan

Gringoman touts being right there in the thick of it.... but somehow the some 3.5 millions slaughtered by Americans got lost on the Saigon Post. Didn't even make the obits...

So between burps and perhaps while picking bird-gizzard from gringoteeth you might want to wipe those crocodile tears shed over the dead cleric and look at what is hiding in plain sight:

The Vietnam War Crimes You Never Heard Of

Nick Turse

Mr. Turse is a Columbia University graduate student completing a dissertation on American war crimes during the Vietnam War.
On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man "Tiger Force" unit of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade goes on to state that in 1971 the Army began a four and a half year investigation of the alleged torture of prisoners, rapes of civilian women, the mutilation of bodies and killing of anywhere from nine to well over one hundred unarmed civilians, among other acts. The articles further report that the Army's inquiry concluded that eighteen U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. However, not one of the soldiers, even of those still on active duty at the time of the investigation, was ever court martialed in connection with the heinous crimes. Moreover, six suspected war criminals were allowed to resign from military service during the criminal investigations specifically to avoid prosecution.
The Toledo Blade articles represent some of the best reporting on a Vietnam War crime by any newspaper, during or since the end of the conflict. Unfortunately, the articles tell a story that was all too common. As a historian writing his dissertation on U.S. war crimes and atrocities during the Vietnam War, I have been immersed in just the sort of archival materials the Toledo Blade used in its pieces, but not simply for one incident but hundreds if not thousands of analogous events. I can safely, and sadly, say that the "Tiger Force" atrocities are merely the tip of the iceberg in regard to U.S.-perpetrated war crimes in Vietnam. However, much of the mainstream historical literature dealing with Vietnam War atrocities (and accompanying cover-ups and/or sham investigations), has been marginalized to a great extent -- aside from obligatory remarks concerning the My Lai massacre, which is, itself, often treated as an isolated event. Unfortunately, the otherwise excellent reporting of the Toledo Blade draws upon and feeds off this exceptionalist argument to a certain extent. As such, the true scope of U.S.-perpetrated atrocities is never fully addressed in the articles. The men of the "Tiger Force" are labeled as "Rogue GIs" and the authors simply mention the that Army "conducted 242 war-crimes investigations in Vietnam, [that] a third were substantiated, leading to 21 convictions... according to a review of records at the National Archives" – facts of dubious value that obscure the scope and number of war crimes perpetrated in Vietnam and feed the exceptionalist argument.

Even an accompanying Blade piece on "Other Vietnam Atrocities," tends to decontextualize the "Tiger Force" incidents, treating them as fairly extraordinary events by listing only three other relatively well known atrocity incidents: former Senator, presidential candidate and Navy SEAL Bob Kerrey's raid on the hamlet of Thang Phong; the massacre at Son Thang -- sometimes referred to as the "Marine Corps' My Lai"; and the war crimes allegations of Lt. Col. Anthony Herbert -- most famously chronicled in his memoir Soldier. This short list, however, doesn't even hint at the scope and number of similar criminal acts.

For example, the Toledo Blade reports that its "review of thousands of classified Army documents, National Archives records, and radio logs reveals [the "Tiger Force"] ... carried out the longest series of atrocities in the Vietnam War [from May and November, 1967]...." Unfortunately, this seven month atrocity-spree is not nearly the longest on record. Nor is it even the longest string of atrocities by one unit within its service branch. According to formerly classified Army documents, an investigation disclosed that from at least March 1968 through October 1969, "Vietnamese [civilian] detainees were subjected to maltreatment" by no less than twenty-three separate interrogators of the 172d Military Intelligence (MI) Detachment. The inquiry found that, in addition to using "electrical shock by means of a field telephone," an all too commonly used method of torture by Americans during the war, MI personnel also struck detainees with their fists, sticks and boards and employed a form of water torture which impaired prisoners' ability to breath.

Similar to the "Tiger Force" atrocities chronicled by the Blade, documents indicate that no disciplinary actions were taken against any of the individuals implicated in the long-running series of atrocities, including 172d MI personnel Norman Bowers, Franciszek Pyclik and Eberhard Gasper who were all on active duty at the time that the allegations were investigated by Army officials. In fact, in 1972, Bowers's commanding general pronounced that "no disciplinary or administrative action" would be taken against the suspected war criminal and in a formerly classified memorandum to the U.S. Army Chief of Staff, prepared by Colonel Murray Williams on behalf of Brigadier General R.G. Gard in January 1973, it was noted that the "...determination by commanders to take no action against three personnel on active duty who were suspected of committing an offense" had not been publicly acknowledged. Their crimes and identities kept a secret, Bowers, Pyclik and Gasper apparently escaped any prosecution, let alone punishment, for their alleged actions.

Similarly, the Toledo Bladepays particular attention to Sam Ybarra, a "notorious suspect," who was named in seven of the thirty "Tiger Force" war crimes allegations investigated by the Army -- including the rape and fatal stabbing of a 13-year-old girl and the brutal killing of a 15-year-old boy. Yet, Ybarra's notorious reputation may well pale in comparison to that of Sergeant Roy E. "the Bummer" Bumgarner, a soldier who served with the 1st Cavalry Division and later the 173d Airborne Brigade. According to a former commander, "the Bummer" was rumored to have "personally killed over 1,500 people" during a forty-two week stretch in Vietnam. Even if the number was exaggerated, clues on how Bumgarner may have obtained high "body counts" came to light in the course of an Army criminal investigation of an incident that took place on February 25, 1969. According to investigation documents, Bumgarner and a subordinate rounded up three civilians found working in a rice paddy, marched them to a secluded area and murdered them. "The Bummer" then arranged the bodies on the ground with their heads together and a grenade was exploded next to them in an attempt to cover-up their crime. Assorted weapons were then planted near the mutilated corpses to make them appear to have been enemy troops.

During an Army criminal investigation of the incident, men in Bumgarner's unit told investigators that they had heard rumors of the sergeant carrying out similar acts in the past. Said one soldier in a sworn statement to Army investigators:

"I've heard of Bumgarner doing it before -- planting weapons on bodies when there is doubt as to their military status. I've heard quite a few rumors about Bumgarner killing unarmed people. Only a couple weeks ago I heard that Bumgarner had killed a Vietnamese girl and two younger kids (boys), who didn't have any weapons."

Unlike Sam Ybarra, who had been discharged from the military by the time the allegations against him came to light and then refused to cooperate with investigators, "the Bummer" was charged with premeditated murder and tried by general court martial. He was convicted only of manslaughter and his punishment consisted merely of a demotion in rank and a fine of $97 a month for six months. Moreover, after six months, Bumgarner promptly re-enlisted in the Army. His first and only choice of assignments -- Vietnam. Records indicate he got his wish!

Military records demonstrate that the "Tiger Force" atrocities are only the tip of a vast submerged history of atrocities in Vietnam. In fact, while most atrocities were likely never chronicled or reported, the archival record is still rife with incidents analogous to those profiled in the Blade articles, including the following atrocities chronicled in formerly classified Army documents:

A November 1966 incident in which an officer in the Army's Fourth Infantry Division, severed an ear from a Vietnamese corpse and affixed it to the radio antenna of a jeep as an ornament. The officer was given a non-judicial punishment and a letter of reprimand.

An August 1967 atrocity in which a 13-year-old Vietnamese child was raped by American MI interrogator of the Army's 196th Infantry Brigade. The soldier was convicted only of indecent acts with a child and assault. He served seven months and sixteen days for his crime.

A September 1967 incident in which an American sergeant killed two Vietnamese children -- executing one at point blank range with a bullet to the head. Tried by general court martial in 1970, the sergeant pleaded guilty to, and was found guilty of, unpremeditated murder. He was, however, sentenced to no punishment.

An atrocity that took place on February 4, 1968, just over a month before the My Lai massacre, in the same province by a man from the same division (Americal). The soldier admitted to his commanding officer and other men of his unit that he gunned down three civilians as they worked in a field. A CID investigation substantiated his confession and charges of premeditated murder were preferred against him. The soldier requested a discharge, which was granted by the commanding general of the Americal Division, in lieu of court martial proceedings.

A series of atrocities similar to, and occurring the same year as, the "Tiger Force" war crimes in which one unit allegedly engaged in an orgy of murder, rape and mutilation, over the course of several months.
While not yielding the high-end body count estimate of the "Tiger Force" series of atrocities, the above incidents begin to demonstrate the ubiquity of the commission of atrocities on the part of American forces during the Vietnam War. Certainly, war crimes, such as murder, rape and mutilation were not an everyday affair for American combat soldiers in Vietnam, however, such acts were also by no means as exceptional as often portrayed in recent historical literature or as tacitly alluded to in the Blade articles.

The excellent investigative reporting of the Toledo Blade is to be commended for shedding light on war crimes committed by American soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division in 1967. However, it is equally important to understand that the "Tiger Force" atrocities were not the mere result of "Rogue GIs" but instead stem from what historian Christian Appy has termed the American "doctrine of atrocity" during the Vietnam War -- a strategy built upon official U.S. dictums relating to the body count, free-fire zones, search and destroy tactics and the strategy of attrition as well as unofficial tenets such as "kill anything that moves," intoned during the "Tiger Force" atrocities and in countless other atrocity tales, or the "mere gook rule" which held that "If it's dead and Vietnamese, it's VC." Further, it must also be recognized that the "Tiger Force" atrocities, the My Lai massacre, the Herbert allegations and the few other better-known war crimes were not isolated or tangentially-related incidents, but instead are only the most spectacular or best publicized of what was an on-going string of atrocities, large and small, that spanned the entire duration of the war.

The headline of one Blade article proclaims, "Earlier Tiger Force probe could have averted My Lai carnage," referring to the fact that the 101st Airborne Division's "Tiger Force" troops operated in the same province (Quang Ngai), with the same mission (search and destroy) months before the Americal Division's men committed their war crimes. But atrocities were not a localized problem or one that only emerged in 1967. Instead, the pervasive disregard for the laws of war had begun prior to U.S. buildup in 1965 and had roots in earlier conflicts. Only by recognizing these facts can we hope to begin to understand the "Tiger Force" atrocities and the history of American war crimes in Vietnam, writ large.

Steve Morgan

Even when we vote them the F*CK out, they STILL have all their sleepers occupying the various judicial benches, ready to RULE against the people at the slightest hint of a LIEberal lawsuit.

The assault never ends..

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POSTED BY: UMMAHGUMMAH | NOVEMBER 24, 2011 AT 03:47 PM


Maybe Scruallah can don his cape and come to our emotional rescue.

jay

More idiotic conservative mindset:

Who knows? We may not have a Thanksgiving come next year if the same radicals and leftists are re-elected.

Posted by: James | November 24, 2011 at 02:25 PM

It's pitiful. Just pitiful!

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Knew UG is a black Muslim!

GO SUCK ON IT, X-lax you, "HONKEY".

Your own "clients" despise and hate you, IDIOT!

You think moslems feel any different than this hijo de puta?

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | November 24, 2011 at 03:17 PM

jay

UG,
never thought I'd seen a more idiotic behavior than the Neo Nazis on Youtube. You take the cake.(Gringo is a very close second)

Even when we vote them the F*CK out, they STILL have all their sleepers occupying the various judicial benches, ready to RULE against the people at the slightest hint of a LIEberal lawsuit.

The assault never ends..

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | November 24, 2011 at 03:47 PM

jay

Mamas, don't let your children grow up to be Republican Sanduskys.

jay

pamela geller and her halal trukeys.
Butterball states that only countries that require halal turkeys will receive same.
So, it doesn't apply to the states.

Conservatives: " I don't care what they say. I want to believe that they are. So, they are. I'm conservative. I'm Bullwinkle's Know-it-all!
So, there! And, by the way, you're gay for disputing me! How do you like them apples?"

anon

I wonder if ol' Schicklgruber is the inspiration of the OWS mob. It sure seems so. (BTW, Jay need not read the following since it contains abstract concepts which he couldn't possibly understand.)

For the first time in my life I heard a discussion which dealt with the principles of stock exchange capital and capital which was used for loan activities. After hearing the first lecture delivered by Feder, the idea immediately came into my head that I had found a way to one of the most essential prerequisites for the founding of a new party.

To my mind, Feder’s merit consisted in the ruthless and trenchant way in which he described the double character of the capital engaged in stock exchange and loan transactions, laying bare the fact that this capital is ever and always dependent on the payment of interest. In fundamental questions his statements were so full of common sense that those who criticized him did not deny that au fond his ideas were sound, but they doubted whether it be possible to put these ideas into practice. To me this seemed the strongest point in Feder’s teaching, though others considered it a weak point.
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I understood immediately that here was a truth of transcendental importance for the future of the German people. The absolute separation of stock exchange capital from the economic life of the nation would make it possible to oppose the process of internationalization in German business without at the same time attacking capital at such, for to do this would be to jeopardize the foundations of our national independence. I clearly saw what was developing in Germany, and I realized then that the stiffest fight we would have to wage would not be against the enemy nations but against international capital. In Feder’s speech I found an effective rallying-cry for our coming struggle.
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The struggle against international finance capital and loan capital has become one of the most important points in the program on which the German nation has based its fight for economic freedom and independence. - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

jay

ANON,

OWS is the average people upset with the bending over backwards to the rich that is given in this country.
The bailouts to those who created this mess.
They have support from many of the wealthy, those on wall street. even a police captain.

Know that something so simple is difficult for you to understand.

Even several of the "enemy" to OWS gives them support.
That's something the tea bag party will NEVER see!

jay

And, why doesn't the tea party get more support from those outside the party?
Because, polls have shown that the more people learn about the TP. The less they are liked by the country.

Their numbers are down, as are their approval ratings.

One washington rally didn't have enough people.

gringoman

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The struggle against international finance capital and loan capital has become one of the most important points in the program on which the German nation has based its fight for economic freedom and independence. - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

Posted by: anon | November 24, 2011 at 07:03 PM

Anon,

The experienced here can you tell you what a waste of time it is to talk sense to the prog parasites who troll here and stick to it like flies in flypaper. Addressing them directly is like conversing with the inmates at an asylum, so I don't do it. I'm not paid to handle mentals.

And speaking of Mein Kamp, there's not a single one of these idiotlogues educated enough to know that the "right-wing" Hitler's anti-semitism was anticipated, and before he was even born, by the "left-wing" Karl Marx, as in Marx's essays collectively known as A WORLD WITHOUT JEWS.

Even the handful who are intelligent enough to understand this, aren't honest enough to admit it. The stupid lying weasels can't even acknowledge how socialist "National Socialism" was! We call them troll trash for a reason. These are like latent Jerry Sanduskys. Can't stop themselves from groping conservative Monicamemo. (Maybe they're not so 'latent'.)

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GOD Let there be light

LUCIFER Ja Wohl, the light of socialism.

Chief Joe

The Muslims are calling the crucifix a "diminutive cadaver", and the Pope, a con man. They are demanding the religious frescoes in Rome be destroyed. They say, tauntingly, they want to destroy their flesh within the flesh of the Christian fathers, that they may be glorified.

Some of these Muslims are punks. Have you ever noticed how they tend to lie profusely, and do not seem aware that you can tell. According to Oriana Fallaci- Arafat could not even tell you the time of day without lying.

I am thankful I mostly do not have to deal with them.
At least yet.

gringoman

Who says I've never ever had a good word for Mayor Bloomberg? Super Nanny or not, the Mayor declared Sunday November 20 "Beethoven Day."

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A man likes his wife to be just clever enough to comprehend his cleverness, and just stupid enough to admire it. ISRAEL ZANGWILL

gringoNOTE: Israel, there are no such women. Even the dummies aren't that dumb.

gringoman

Who says I've never ever had a good word for Mayor Bloomberg? Super Nanny or not, the Mayor declared Sunday November 20 "Beethoven Day."

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Now will the Mayor get around to mentioning that November is "Beethoven Awareness Month"? I'd stop calling him Nannyberg for the rest of the year, or reccommending Moonlight Sonata Hip-Hop in the Key of C Sharp Rap.

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OCCUPY MONICAMEMO PROGASITES. We care. We troll. We probe. We grope. We talk points. We stick to you. Why is this creepy and Sandusky? It's only socialism.

gringoman

ON TRIAL: THE SOCIALIST EXPERIMENT IN CAMBODIA


Subject: Re: THREE ELDERLY MEN - AND WHAT THEY DID
Khmer Rouge leaders face their accusers
Phnom Penh, Cambodia - The current trial of surviving Khmer Rouge leaders here is the judicial process that Stalin and Mao never faced.

These tyrants died in their beds without ever answering for, in Stalin's case, the famines and the bloody 1937 Moscow trials, and in the Chinese Chairman's, for the Great Leap Forward, and resulting mass hunger that claimed 30 million lives..

Now three elderly Cambodian men from 80 to 86 years old - those who made the policies - must answer, in a trial that opened in Phnom Penh this week, for at least 1.7 million deaths, and the destruction of one of Asia's once most culturally splendid of countries, whose onetime king, Norodom Sihanouk, still fit at 90, used to call 'an oasis of peace.'.

The co-prosecutors' opening litany of horror this week were revelatory, although most of the facts of Khmer Rouge rule are now known. But it was the putting together in one coherant story the horrific details of this chilling 'Utopian nightmare,' what national co-prosecutor Mde Chea Leang, called 'a system of brutality that defies belief,' that had such an impact.

As Chhang Song, a former information minister, well known to all journalists who covered the war in Cambodia,, is right when he says that this is the biggest trial in the history of Cambodia and exaggerating only slightly when he calls it 'one of the biggest trials in the history of the world.'

One woman outside the courtroom summed up what all Cambodians feel and express: "The people of Cambodia really want, after 36 years, to hear what the Khmer Rouge leaders have to say, to explain what we went through."

Whether they will be satisfied with the answers remains to be seen.

James Pringle
24.11.2011.
(Pringle was a correspondent for Reuters in Vietnam, Cambodia, China and Cuba during these events)

gringoman

LOL

Gringoman exposes a larazista AND the X-lax in one fell swoop. The RACIST larazista doesn't want "whitey" X-lax's help.

HAHAHA!!!

GO SUCK ON IT, X-lax you honkey.

Your own "clients" despise and hate you, IDIOT!

You think moslems feel any different than this hijo de puta?

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | November 24, 2011 at 03:17 PM

Ummah must be referencing the following.....

"I would esp be thankful if the historian Newt pointed out to the masses that HISPANICS are the original settlers to Texas & the other border states fighting illegals on THEIR OWN.........."
TBSH

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Todavía no se le gringos estúpidos oído hablar de La Raza o la Reconquista?

Imbéciles

Posted by: Luis Vicente Gutiérrez | November 24, 2011 at 08:42 AM

Senor, tu no es estupido, si?

Por eso, digame, por favor: La Raza, es racista?

Posted by: gringoman | November 24, 2011 at 11:52 AM

gringoNOTE: No reply from el hombre de La Raza. Que lastima!

gringoman

UN CAPITALISTA

Doug: [Chuckles.] I'm a happy man. Right here and now, I'm living in the lap of Argentine luxury, smoking a mellow Cuban cigar, building my own polo club, growing my own grapes for a great wine, driving high-performance cars, and so forth – things that require money. But that said, some of the times when I've been happiest in my life have been times when I had no money whatsoever.

I remember a trip I took from Bern to Istanbul with a couple of buddies, back when I was a penniless student in the '60s. None of us had any sense of financial planning, so, for the last three days, on our way back from Istanbul, we had absolutely no money. Zero. Not even small coins. We were riding third class, bumming cigarettes and morsels of food from gypsies on the train. I kid you not. But it was a great adventure, and we were very happy hippies.

More recently, I spent some time living as though I had no money. A friend and I hopped a train in Grand Junction, Colorado. It took us three days to get to Portland, sleeping in rail yards, eating in missions, living like bums – or, more accurately, hoboes. Another time we went to Sacramento, which also took three days. A measure of cheap thrills and chills and a tad of danger are good spices in life. Both times were a lot of fun, and I didn't really need, or use, any money at all. Doing things like that is salubrious and therapeutic. It puts you into a new reality.

gringoman

Doug: This highlights the truly shameful results of US government policy and programs over the last few generations, especially since the New Deal. They've totally corrupted the average American, who used to ask for no more than an opportunity to work hard and benefit from the fruit of his own labor. Now the average American thinks that the US government not only should, but actually can serve as a magic cornucopia, assuring him of all the good things in life.

L: You mean we don't have a human right to cars, air conditioning, wide-screen TVs, and mocha lattes? Doesn't it say so in the Constitution?

Doug: [Chuckles.] This is why I see no way out for the US that doesn't send the whole society through the wringer.

Economics501


Just reviewed must read book by economists with great predictive value:

http://economics501.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/aftershock-economy-book-review/

gringoman

Occupy Monicamemo Progasites: Are they just (a)common troll trash (b) out-of-the-closet Jerry Sanduskys with a "fatal attraction" to a conservative site, (c) latent Sanduskys, needing to grope because their own socialist worms and parasites gnaw away at them day and night, without mercy?

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She wore far too much rouge and not quite enough clothes last night. That is always a sign of despair in a woman. OSCAR WILDE

jay

Even the handful who are intelligent enough to understand this, aren't honest enough to admit it. The stupid lying weasels can't even acknowledge how socialist "National Socialism" was! We call them troll trash for a reason. These are like latent Jerry Sanduskys. Can't stop themselves from groping conservative Monicamemo. (Maybe they're not so 'latent'.)


SANDUSKY, A REPUBLICAN!


The experienced here can you tell you what a waste of time it is to talk sense to the prog parasites who troll here and stick to it like flies in flypaper. Addressing them directly is like conversing with the inmates at an asylum, so I don't do it. I'm not paid to handle mentals. --GRINGO

We have tried for a year to get the irregulars off the memo. Too many Sandusky traits. But, what do you expect from conservatives?

And, it's flies ON wallpaper. They can NOT be in it.


MAMAS, DON'T LET YOUR CHILDREN GROWUP TO BE REPUBLICANS.

SANDUSKY IS ONE. AND, ONE IS TOO MANY!

jay

Seems like the GROPER is GRINGO.

jay

Why do Republicans have a Sandusky syndrome?

We must thank Gringo for mentioning Sandusky in EVERY Post. Maybe he has a fixation on him?

Anyway, NEVER would have taken the time to find out that Sandusky's a REPUBLCAN!

So, Gringo!

Thanks a bunch!
Go, Gringo! Yea!

A great guy to help the left!

3 cheers for Gringo!

HIP, HIP HOORAY!

jay

Also, Gringo did help us to do the research. and, we discovered that scholars consider Nazism to be an extreme form of RIGHT-WING ideology. We never would have checked on that, either.

Gringo pulls through again!

Gringo's an honorary leftish as of today!

xbjllb

Ah, the evil drunks return in full force.

Lord? Pity them.

xbjllb

Review of "J. Edgar" (written in response to an extremely negative review by a disappointed conservative)

"I liked it. Call us idiots, me and my fellow movie goer cried at spots. To make a die-hard radical liberal feel sorry for a die-hard terminally warped paranoid old fascist self-hating closet queen is very difficult, even impossible prior to this film, but Mr. Eastwood pulled it off. And I find his 70′s “Evergreen”-influenced music was PERFECT for the emotional scenes as well as beautiful, and something no other director would dare do unless he was filming a man and a woman (and the woman NOT the man's mother). I think Mr. Eastwood was trying to overcome the usual Hoover portrayal as cemented in memory in the Kennedy miniseries of ’83 by Vincent Gardenia; wearing dresses and calling everyone around him “Boy” and, let’s face it, the devil and absolute evil personified. J. Edgar Hoover did not live an exciting life by any means, but a very boring bureaucratic life without color, with a love that could never be acknowledged publicly, and with self-made enemies all around. I think Eastwood NAILED it. I not only felt for the man; I felt like I was living his life. Not only did I understand what made him what he was, I also understood what experiences made his politics. And all this in a “theater” with the entire film grossly out of focus. Could the lighting have been more artistic and 40-ish? Of course. Would it have detracted rather than add to the film? Could be. I personally didn’t notice the lighting at all; just the characters and what they were feeling. DiCaprio and Hammer were BRILLIANT, as was the secretary in the thankless role of a lifelong lesbian counterpart to Hoover, married “to her job” and in the only way she could be, him. Hammer especially nailed a difficult role, difficult to play, difficult to understate, and perfectly believable to anyone who has known closeted gay men. And I found the way Eastwood teased and led up to their relationship intriguing, as well as the idea to expose it so suddenly during a difficult quarrel and fistfight sequence. I cannot wait to purchase the Blu-ray and see the film in focus for the first time. Despite any bad reviews, this film should be Oscar material."

And an excellent way to spend Thanksgiving.

Ummahgummah

The Muslims are calling the crucifix a "diminutive cadaver", and the Pope, a con man. They are demanding the religious frescoes in Rome be destroyed. They say, tauntingly, they want to destroy their flesh within the flesh of the Christian fathers, that they may be glorified.

Some of these Muslims are punks. Have you ever noticed how they tend to lie profusely, and do not seem aware that you can tell. According to Oriana Fallaci- Arafat could not even tell you the time of day without lying.

I am thankful I mostly do not have to deal with them.
At least yet.

POSTED BY: CHIEF JOE | NOVEMBER 24, 2011 AT 08:35 PM

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I could not AGREE MORE. Leave it to the whitelibs to continue to wallow in their delusions about moslems and their motives.

Leave it to the likes of richboy Anderson Cooper-Pooper to proclaim the "Arab Spring" when all we can see is a forming Al Qaeda Belt spanning from Morocco all the way to iran.

GREAT JOB, libs!

Jimmy Carter gave islam one country to wreck, the Bama is in the process of giving them more than just one.

Sorry if I can't chalk this up to naiveté.

He spend his youth in a madrassa after all.

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M/M

These LIEberals are so full of #%#$. They continue to celebrate Thanksgiving by demonizing the white man but IGNORE how many INDIGENOUS people are being MURDERED AND PERSECUTED and yet THEY DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

http://www.persecution.org/2011/11/16/where-is-the-support-for-egypt%E2%80%99s-copts/


LongRifle

OWS is the average people...Jay

Crapping on Police cars? Are you totally brainwashed?

Spoken like a full-fledged member of the Communist Party...Are You?

DJ

From the risible "Diversity is Our Strength" Dept.

Yet more warm fuzzy feelings between blacks and Hispanic students in a very diverse Albuquerque high school.

White liberals are aghast and caught up in a maelstrom of confusion.

How can this be?!?

Only white people can be racist!

LOL!

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‘Race War’ Rumors Postpone Assembly at Highland High


Eddie Garcia, KOB, November 22, 2011

An assembly meant to celebrate cultural diversity at Highland High School Tuesday is being postponed due to racial tensions on campus.

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So far no fights have been reported, only rumors.

KOB spoke with parent Troy Jarvis who said he sought out Highland High School as the ideal environment for his daughter Breanna.

“One of the things we looked at Highland High School is that it was the most diverse school in the city and we wanted our children to be part of that,” Jarvis said.

A cultural celebration was schedule to happen Tuesday at Highland.

“Because there was such tension that was in the school, they were afraid to do it so they had to put it on hold,” said Highland Sophomore Breanna Jarvis.

Albuquerque Public Schools said racial tensions did in fact play a role in the postponement but also said the unrest is limited to a fraction of the students.

Rumors of a big rumble have kept the Albuquerque Police Department gang unit on campus this week.

“Rumors I’ve heard are there was going to be a race war and they were coming on campus with weapons and they were going to target all the black girls first,” Breanna Jarvis said.

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“Highland has great potential, it really does. I mean it just seems sometimes as a school we don’t use it the way we should,” Breanna said.

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Source:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2384228.shtml?cat=500

DJ

The "Occupy" Movement is Disgusting

"BigJournalism has compiled a continually updated list of over 300 incidents of assault, violence, and general lawlessness amongst the Occupy protest. The Daily Mail shows pictures depicting Occupy mimicking the idealistic debauchery of their 1960's forefathers. In sum, one notes the real goal of Occupy - to dismantle political, social, legal, and cultural societal structure because we live in a racist, sexist, privileged, evil nation where the Man keeps everyone down."

Read more>>


http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-is-disgusting.html

gringoman

The "Occupy" Movement is Disgusting

"BigJournalism has compiled a continually updated list of over 300 incidents of assault, violence, and general lawlessness amongst the Occupy protest. The Daily Mail shows pictures depicting Occupy mimicking the idealistic debauchery of their 1960's forefathers. In sum, one notes the real goal of Occupy - to dismantle political, social, legal, and cultural societal structure because we live in a racist, sexist, privileged, evil nation where the Man keeps everyone down."

Read more>>


http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-is-disgusting.html

Posted by: DJ | November 25, 2011 at 09:41 AM

But are they any more disgusting than Occupy Monicamemo parasites? Have any tried to hide their inner Sandusky by bleating that "Duh, Sandusky, he was a (sic) Republican?" Or that Hitler's socialism doesn't count as socialism because some (sic) "experts" declare it was "rightwing" instead of monster Stalin's "leftwing"? Idiotlogue creeps buzzing around their comrade Toilet Mouth like flies on cow cakes! You wonder if even Toilet Mouth would let them insert a halal turkey into its gaping sanctimony,

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You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. DOROTHY PARKER

gringoNOTE: Yes, but the latent little Sanduskys at Occupy Monicamemo have no idea what you mean, Dorothy. The creepniks don't even think they're as low-life as a degenerate who registered Republican. Was it the formula in their milk? Are these jerks really screaming, in a strange way, warning us about the socialist worms infesting their guts and eating them alive?

May have to consult Doctor Gringo on their sickness.

DJ

Don't get your hopes up, folks. It's almost a sure bet Obama will win reelection come Nov 2012. This due to the increase in "minority" voters - Hispanic voters in particular.

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Minority Support May Boost Obama in 2012, Despite Economy


Danielle Kurtzleben, U.S. News, November 22, 2011

Economics may be priority one in the 2012 presidential election, but the people who are voting matter, too. That is one conclusion from a new report that predicts that Election Day 2012 will be a “showdown” between demographics and economics.

“The Path to 270,” a report released today from the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, says that a sagging economy and an enthusiastic Republican base could wipe out President Obama’s incumbency advantage in the 2012 presidential race. However, the president could maintain an advantage due to substantial support among several demographic groups, particularly the fast-growing Hispanic population.

“On the one hand, the state of the economy, writ large, is the biggest factor in favor of the GOP candidate, whoever that might be… . That’s the biggest thing the Republicans have going for them,” said Ruy Teixeira, a senior fellow at the Century Foundation and the Center for American Progress and one of the study’s authors, at a panel discussion today. “On the other hand, the demographic shifts in this country … are very much in favor of Democrats and will help Obama in the 2012 election.”

A look at 2008 shows that the president had the support of 80 percent of minorities and only a four-point disadvantage among white college graduates. Meanwhile, among the white working class, Republicans had an 18-point advantage. But the minority share of voters is projected to have grown by 2 percent from 2008 to 2012, and growth among white college graduates is projected at 1 percent, whereas the white working-class share of the electorate is projected to shrink by 3 percent.

According to the report, even if white working-class voters support the GOP presidential candidate by a 30-point margin, as they did Republicans in the 2010 midterm elections, the president can still win the popular vote if he retains his support among white college graduates.

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Source:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/11/22/minority-support-may-boost-obama-in-2012-despite-economy

DJ

We don't need your support, whitey! The future of the USA is a Latino one. Get used to it! Now listen up! XBJ is afraid of a Latino culture because we don't tolerate his beloved homosexual lifestyle like you decadent gringos do. We'll push it back in the closet where it belongs.

So go ahead and build your stupid fence. Are you so naive as to think it will even slow down the Reconquista? LOL! You gringos are so dense.

In fifty years you gringos will be picking OUR lettuce and cleaning OUR toilets.


Posted by: Luis Vicente Gutiérrez | November 24, 2011 at 02:54 PM

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ROFLMAO!

Looks like Luis shattered the illusions of "solidarity" between white-libtards and the "oppressed" minorities that white-libs so depend on!

LOL!

DJ

But are they any more disgusting than Occupy Monicamemo parasites? Have any tried to hide their inner Sandusky by bleating that "Duh, Sandusky, he was a (sic) Republican?" Or that Hitler's socialism doesn't count as socialism because some (sic) "experts" declare it was "rightwing" instead of monster Stalin's "leftwing"? Idiotlogue creeps buzzing around their comrade Toilet Mouth like flies on cow cakes! You wonder if even Toilet Mouth would let them insert a halal turkey into its gaping sanctimony,

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Gringoman,

If Sandusky was a Democrat the libs would no doubt be holding him up as a cultural icon and encouraging him to run for congress.

DJ

Re: Hispanic voters. No less a political stratigest than Karl Rove has publically called for the Gooper nominee to pick Marco Rubio the be the veep. On the surface that may look like a smart move to appeal to Hispanic voters; but should Marco Rubio actually get picked for the VP slot, I predict the libs in the MSM will give a non-stop lesson on the fact Rubio is just another white conservative. Hence, Rubio is not an authentic non-white Latino such as a Mestizo or a Guatemalan is.

Rafe

MORE LIBERAL TALKING POINTS!!!

FLAMING LIBERAL TALKING POINTS.

Only a FLAMING LIB would call more taxation "investments".

WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DEFINE AS "WEALTHY", lib? Give us an EXACT NUMBER, one for a single, another for a married couple.

Can't wait to hear this one.

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | November 24, 2011 at 03:13 PM

*Sigh* I've answered this question before but I'll repeat myself since your brain is full of idiotic lunacy. Wealthy = > $100,000,000 , Rich = $1,000,000, Upper Middle Class = $100,000. Middle Class = $35,000. Poor = <$35,000. Tax rates should be applied accordingly.

The Average Bush Tax Cut For The 1 Percent This Year Will Be Greater Than The Average Income Of The Other 99 Percent

As Occupy Wall Street protestors continue to demonstrate across the country, congress’ fiscal super committee failed to craft a deficit reduction package due to Republican refusal to consider tax increases on the super wealthy. In fact, the only package that the GOP officially submitted to the committee included lowering the top tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent, even as new research shows that the optimal top tax rate is closer to 70 percent.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who co-chaired the super committee, explained that the major sticking point during negotiations with the GOP was what to do with the Bush tax cuts. With that in mind, the National Priorities Project points out that those tax cuts this year will give the richest 1 percent of Americans a bigger tax cut than the other 99 percent will receive in average income:

The average Bush tax cut in 2011 for a taxpayer in the richest one percent is greater than the average income of the other 99 percent ($66,384 compared to $58,506).

“The super committee failed to grapple with the extraordinarily costly Bush tax cuts for the richest—tax policies that, according to the Congressional Budget Office, cost more in added federal debt than they add in additional economic activity,” explained Jo Comerford, NPP’s Executive Director. Frank Knapp, vice chairman of the American Sustainable Business Council, added in a statement yesterday, “the high-end Bush tax cuts are a big part of the problem – not the solution…It’s obscene to keep slashing infrastructure and services for everybody on Main Street to keep up tax giveaways for millionaires and multinational corporations.”

The Bush tax cuts have done nothing but blow up the federal debt and hand billions in tax breaks to the Americans who needed them least. As a reminder, past grand bargains when it came to the budget included substantial new revenues, to balance the pain of getting the country’s budget in order. Instead of adopting that approach, the GOP wants to continue lavishing tax breaks onto the 1 percent, while asking everyone else to sacrifice.

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