The debt drama has turned into a total cluster@$%!
Everybody's gotten lost in the weeds on this plan or that plan, who's up, who's down, where's the Waldo in the White House, etc. There's only one group that hasn't fallen into the chaos: the Democrats. Why? Because they've orchestrated the timing from the beginning.
Here's the one big point the Republicans have missed:
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A ONE-DAY GAME. The whole game has been to start at the end. The goal was to set a deadline---arbitrary as it is---August 2, and THEN be the last one to put a plan out. As long as Harry Reid can play the last card at the last minute, he's able to control the whole thing. He's able to put the burden on the Republicans (in his own chamber and in the House), and say, "Well? What are you going to do? Are you going to let the country go down? Are you going to force the government into a partial shutdown?" The bluff will be called, and it's not Obama's bluff. It's the Republicans'.
In other words, he who controls the final day controls the whole game. EVERYTHING TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN IRRELEVANT.
This has been Obama's game. This is why he fell silent and went AWOL this week. He is preparing to alight on the scene to propose or bless a Democrat plan at the last minute. This is also why neither he nor the Democrats have put out any plans of their own. Republicans are pounding them for their lack of plans and leadership. But the Democrats know EXACTLY what they're doing. It's always been against their interest to put forth "plans" because "plans" would've only allowed the Republicans to counter with a demand that they budge. And they've got no intention of budging on anything.
So the GOP has negotiated against itself while the Democrats have been sitting quietly. Reid "removed" tax hikes from the equation, but Obama did not. There was a method to that supposed madness. Reid will now add those terms to some form of the Boehner plan, and then Obama will either accept that or add terms of his own.
The Republicans have once again put themselves into a box. They have created the very problem they sought to avoid: being held responsible for the finale.
Nothing has ever mattered but the last day or so. The GOP should have stuck it out the way the Democrats have and begun NOW with Cut, Cap and Balance. But alas, it's too late.
We're getting to the last day, a day Obama set in place on purpose so he could play this very game. The Republicans stumbled blindly into it, and now they'll be stuck with the consequences.
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"Wait, Sir, it's not about doers and parasites. It's not about the welfare millions and the welfare hundreds of trust fund babies. It's really very complex,nuanced and gyropyrotechnical. Here, come look at this. I have a nice bag of factoids and stats for you."
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:14 PM
Obama's Executive Order will use the 14th Amendment and "Get 'er done"...like it or not." - longrifle
Oh, goody!! Then another ridiculous impeachment the country doesn't want from the TERMINAL PARTY.
NOTHING will turn Obama into Bill Clinton faster than you can say "longest run of peacetime prosperity".
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:21 PM
The problem, Gringoman, is his understanding is simplistic. Too simplistic. He ignores a wide range of variables in order to arrive at his flawed conclusion.
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 03:23 PM
"That is: are you saying Clinton's tax increases spurred on the economic boon?" - DJ
Perhaps; perhaps not.
But they sure did CREATE A SURPLUS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES AND ENDED THE DEFICIT!!
Raise taxes on the rich back to 1955 levels!!
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:24 PM
"He ignores a wide range of variables in order to arrive at his flawed conclusion." - DJ
Is that anything like you guys ignoring the entire range of TRUTH to arrive at YOUR flawed conclusions (which, JUST coincidentally, happen to be the conclusions that MOST benefit Big Business, gut the middle class, and screw the poor).
Anything like that?
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:27 PM
There are the Donalds (as in Trump)...then there are the Freds. (Personally I kinda like the way Fred thinks.)
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Disengagement.shtml
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 03:30 PM
""Wait, Sir, it's not about doers and parasites." - Gringoman
No, it's about "doers" who don't help others unless there's a tax gun at their head, ending up in Hell as they justly deserve.
And it's about "parasites" NOT.
But of course, as one who fights for those who will be crushed to death going through the eye of a needle, "Who gives a flying 'ef what Christ said?", sez Gringoman.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:31 PM
"Fred"
Dead. Lung cancer. 1 year, maybe 2.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:32 PM
China operates more efficiently than the USA. That's why they're eating our lunch and will continue to do so from now on in. That is unless we can throw off the yoke of political correctness. S-hit can PC and the game changes to our favor.
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 02:43 PM
1. Much of that Chinese "efficiency" is installed by Western know-how. The Chinese are smart enough to beg, borrow or contractualize what they don't steal from the West's intellectual property.
2. It's true that US corporations are attracted by low Chinese wages.
3. It's also true that US corporations are attracted by far lower taxes in China, the absence of unions and union bosses, and far less of a regulatory burden imposed by state bureaucracy.
4. For some reason, US mass media for popular consumption seem to mention
Fact #2 more than Fact #3. It's their way of being "factual" and not lying.
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:42 PM
I'm thinking Obama ISN'T going to do the 14th amendment "hail Mary". Why?
Let's see:
1. He does the 14th amendment, catastrophe is averted, American People and MSM will forget in three seconds, and GOP will promptly impeach him over it, while all the time continuing to lie with trillions of dollars that it was all his fault. And of course, like Clinton, his popularity will rise but HE WILL BE ABLE TO GET NOTHING DONE. NADA. ZIP.
On the contrary, if:
2. He DOESN'T do the 14th amendment, he lets the GOP crash the debt ceiling, catastrophe ensues and economic misery encompasses the world for at least the next 40 years in the GreatEST Depression, AND THE GOP IS NOT ONLY BLAMED FOREVER, THEY ARE FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM OFFICE EVERY TWO YEARS IN NOVEMBER UNTIL NOT A SINGLE ONE IS LEFT STANDING.
They will TRY to blame Obama for not using the 14th amendment, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SPIT IN THEIR FACE. WHILE GETTING BASEBALL BATS FOR NOVEMBER. RECALLS AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE.
Looks like a no-brainer to me.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:48 PM
The problem, Gringoman, is his understanding is simplistic. Too simplistic. He ignores a wide range of variables in order to arrive at his flawed conclusion.
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 03:23 PM
That reminds me, DJ. The Gringo World Dictionary needs to get around to a new entry: Idiotlogue (sometimes a synonym for Marxobooby, or leftniki.)
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:49 PM
After all, isn't that Democracy at work?
The Party that doesn't serve its constituents (aside from pandering to their 10% braindead TP* base corrupted by Big Business) gets booted out on its rear, forever.
Works for me.
*Terminal Party
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:50 PM
I'm thinking Obama ISN'T going to do the 14th amendment "hail Mary". Why?
Let's see:
1. He does the 14th amendment, catastrophe is averted, American People and MSM will forget in three seconds, and GOP will promptly impeach him over it, while all the time continuing to lie with trillions of dollars that it was all his fault. And of course, like Clinton, his popularity will rise but HE WILL BE ABLE TO GET NOTHING DONE. NADA. ZIP.
On the contrary, if:
2. He DOESN'T do the 14th amendment, he lets the GOP crash the debt ceiling, catastrophe ensues and economic misery encompasses the world for at least the next 40 years in the GreatEST Depression, AND THE GOP IS NOT ONLY BLAMED FOREVER, THEY ARE FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM OFFICE EVERY TWO YEARS IN NOVEMBER UNTIL NOT A SINGLE ONE IS LEFT STANDING.
They will TRY to blame Obama for not using the 14th amendment, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SPIT IN THEIR FACE. WHILE GETTING BASEBALL BATS FOR NOVEMBER. RECALLS AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE.
Looks like a no-brainer to me.
After all, isn't that Democracy at work?
The Party that doesn't serve its constituents (aside from pandering to their 10% braindead TP* base corrupted by Big Business) gets booted out on its rear, forever.
Works for me.
*Terminal Party
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:52 PM
I don't know, call me an optimist, but I think right wing fascism is just about deader than a doornail in the US.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:58 PM
Let's see. Who did the American People blame for the FIRST Great Depression?
Hoover - GOP
Hmmm. And what happened after that?
SIXTEEN years of Democrat FDR.
How about that.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 04:01 PM
And were we better off economically in 1945 than we were in 1933?
DUH.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 04:04 PM
On Air today re the Debt Ceiling Kabuki in Washington.
MICHAEL SAVAGE No-show. Broadcast old stuff.
MARK LEVIN For three hours, took no prisoners.
MARK LEVIN
DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THE DRONES
Posted by: gringoman | July 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM
Gringoman, give Savage a break. He's not the youngest.
As for the drones.. Soros is their queen and honeybee..
Beeeeuuurkkhh!
.
Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM
Don't we Oldies But Goodies Know it, Ummah!
But we also know that Levin, unlike Savage, has had a coronary bypass operation. At least one. If I recall correctly, he's had more than one coronary bypass, and he never lets up. Hannity warns him to stay out of Burger King.
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 04:06 PM
And were be better off economically in 2000 than we were in 1992?
Oh, HEAVENS yes.
And WORSE off in 2008 than we were in 2000?
OH HECK YEAH.
I think the GOP have been running a scam for more than a century, don't you?
The scam that says "We're better for the economy."
When all of RECENT history (last century) shows EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 04:07 PM
Let's see. Who did the American People blame for the FIRST Great Depression?
Hoover - GOP
Hmmm. And what happened after that?
SIXTEEN years of Democrat FDR.
How about that.
And were we better off economically in 1945 than we were in 1933?
DUH.
And were be better off economically in 2000 than we were in 1992?
Oh, HEAVENS yes.
And WORSE off in 2008 than we were in 2000?
OH HECK YEAH.
I think the GOP have been running a scam for more than a century, don't you?
The scam that says "We're better for the economy."
When all of RECENT history (last century) shows EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
(Apologies for the consolidated post; gnat interruptions.)
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 04:09 PM
"Hannity warns him to stay out of Burger King." - Gringoman
He frightens the kiddies. They think he's Lex Luthor.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 04:12 PM
See?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36309/832868-lex_luthor_super.jpg
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 04:14 PM
That reminds me, DJ. The Gringo World Dictionary needs to get around to a new entry: Idiotlogue (sometimes a synonym for Marxobooby, or leftniki.)
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:49 PM
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There's nothing more edifying than The Gringo World Dictionary!
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 04:39 PM
"There's nothing more edifying than The Gringo World Dictionary!" - DJ
Try the Gospels, o ye of little faith and of less salvation.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 06:39 PM
Can you explain how the business cycle effected the boon during the Clinton years? That is: are you saying Clinton's tax increases spurred on the economic boon? Or is it not a fact Clinton benefited greatly by an unprecedented sweet spot in the boon/bust business cycle, therefore deficit spending was briefly brought under control during his time in office?
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 02:57 PM
Clinton had a Pay as You Go philosophy.
he didn't have the Republican's idea to cut taxes to look good to the people. Then, borrow behind their backs.
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 07:46 PM
Wait, Sir, it's not about doers and parasites. It's not about the welfare millions and the welfare hundreds of trust fund babies. It's really very complex,nuanced and gyropyrotechnical. Here, come look at this. I have a nice bag of factoids and stats for you."
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:14 PM
facts are facts whether you want to believe them or not. They apply to everyone.
Just that those who don't like what they show. Try to sweep them under the rug. BUT, THEY ARE STILL THERE!
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 07:49 PM
3. It's also true that US corporations are attracted by far lower taxes in China, the absence of unions and union bosses, and far less of a regulatory burden imposed by state bureaucracy.
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:42
Showed yesterday concerning the lack of regulations in China. That mining disaasters there are common place.
a fact that many want to ignore.
and, don't forget lead in toys from China as well.
If, you want to show how much better it is when there are few regulations, why pick China as an example?
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 07:53 PM
The problem, Gringoman, is his understanding is simplistic. Too simplistic. He ignores a wide range of variables in order to arrive at his flawed conclusion.
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 03:23 PM
No once again.
Have looked at alot of data, much from the government and more of the wealthy and the Wall Street Jornal agrees with me.
just not trying to protect the current status quo for my own personnel gain.
Like the Koch brothers.
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 07:57 PM
There are the Donalds (as in Trump)...then there are the Freds. (Personally I kinda like the way Fred thinks.)
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Disengagement.shtml
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 03:30 PM
because I said months ago that Trump wants a one time tax on the wealthy?
Before on the memo he had a huge following. Not now!
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 07:59 PM
Clinton had a Pay as You Go philosophy.
he didn't have the Republican's idea to cut taxes to look good to the people. Then, borrow behind their backs.
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 07:46 PM
Bingo!!! GOP always condemned Dems. for their "tax-and-spend policies." GOP prefers less trasnparent "borrow-and- spend" tactics so they can still look like anti-tax advocates. If Americans were forced to pay a supplementary federal income-tax to pay for the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (as they did during the last years of the Vietnam War), we would have withdrawn our troops years ago. Instead, we funded these trillion dollar fiascoes by borrowing and selling debt to China.
Posted by: Liberator | July 30, 2011 at 08:00 PM
But they sure did CREATE A SURPLUS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES AND ENDED THE DEFICIT!!
Raise taxes on the rich back to 1955 levels!!
Posted by: xbjllb | July 30, 2011 at 03:24 PM
It took 91% tax rates back in 1956 just so the Republicans could have a BALANCED BUDGET!
Now, Ryan wants pre-depression 25%?
they never learn.
But, to conservatives. It's all about DA Rich!
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 08:04 PM
There's nothing more edifying than The Gringo World Dictionary!
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 04:39 PM
Don't forget very biased, as well.
If, those who wrote the original world dictionary went by the SAME logic. They could have called an Anteater, South Dakota!
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 08:08 PM
Bingo!!! GOP always condemned Dems. for their "tax-and-spend policies." GOP prefers less trasnparent "borrow-and- spend" tactics so they can still look like anti-tax advocates. If Americans were forced to pay a supplementary federal income-tax to pay for the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (as they did during the last years of the Vietnam War), we would have withdrawn our troops years ago. Instead, we funded these trillion dollar fiascoes by borrowing and selling debt to China.
Posted by: Liberator | July 30, 2011 at 08:00 PM
If, anything. The Democrats have been MORE HONEST with the people.
Remember Bush sr about "READ MY LIPS!"
Concerning no more tax hikes?
Reagan did the same turn around
As did Bush jr.
NASTY Republicans aren't they?
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 08:13 PM
Reagan and Bush jr didn't do the raise taxes after they said they wouldn't. But, they did have many other turn arounds.
Clinton at least was honest with his pay as you go.
Posted by: Jay | July 30, 2011 at 08:33 PM
On Air today re the Debt Ceiling Kabuki in Washington.
MICHAEL SAVAGE No-show. Broadcast old stuff.
MARK LEVIN For three hours, took no prisoners
________________________________________
I was so bored with the Savage reruns that I changed the station.
Posted by: M/M | July 30, 2011 at 10:02 PM
Trump is the Man, furthermore he is a man among men and I cannot say that about most in Washington (how Washington, himself would have scorned this debacle), except for a handful of people like Bolton, Rumsfeld and Cheney, who should have been President, there is nobody on the scene deserving the title, Mr. President. The Messiah (leader in waiting) is the Shakina (Goddess aka Venus) and she is playing a classic role awaiting to be drafted. Like Jesus
awaited the Romans at the Garden of Gethsemane. And, she will be drafted.
John
Posted by: John Dutton | July 30, 2011 at 11:56 PM
And they call us lefties Looney Tunes....
I'd vote for Trump, but Cheney and Rumsfeld pulled 9-11 and need to be tried and hung for treason on the White House lawn.
And Trump knows this more than anyone.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 31, 2011 at 01:07 AM
The "shrinking tax" base? A large part comes from decrease in taxes."
Jay
Absolutely True, and the causes are:
1. Abortion. 40 million Potential taxpayers murdered since Roe.
2. LABOR COSTS. US workers get $200 per day; Chinese workers get $200 per month.
Very simple Math.
Posted by: LongRifle | July 30, 2011 at 02:52 PM
And Reagan cutting taxes from 70% in the 1970s down to 28%. and, bush cutting clinton's taxes from 39% to 35%.
Posted by: Jay | July 31, 2011 at 02:28 AM
This is from an article from September of 2008.
So, Obam isn't included.
Another there he goes telling about the bad record of Conservatives,again!
conservatives always speak how they know what's best about creating jobs.
Do they really?
"Since 1928 there have been 13 president, 7 Republicans (Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr) and 6 Democrats (FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter and Clinton).
Six of the seven Republican Presidents had unemployment increase while in office. Ronald Reagan is the only Republican President since 1928 to leave office with a lower unemployment rate.
All six Democratic Presidents had unemployment decrease or stay the same while in office. The worst Democratic performance was Jimmy Carter, who had the same unemployment rate when he left office as when he entered.
Viewing the President's 4 year term gives an even more pronounced effect.
Of the Repubilican President's 9 terms, unemployment has increased in 7 of the 9 terms.
Of the Democratic President's 10 terms, the unemployment rate never increased"
So, only Obama in this recession has been the only Democratic president who RAISED unemployment.
Darn those facts!
Does it not only say about the Republicans ability to cut unemployment. It also says that their cutting taxes to create jobs is a BIG FACT LIE!
Posted by: Jay | July 31, 2011 at 02:41 AM
Now for the link that no memo regular will click on.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/09/27/612643/-Unemployment-Rate-by-President-and-Party
Posted by: Jay | July 31, 2011 at 02:44 AM
period start end chng President Party
Jan 1993 Jan 1997 7.3 5.3 -2.0 Clinton I Democrat
Jan 1985 Jan 1989 7.3 5.4 -1.9 Reagan II Republican
Jan 1961 Jan 1965 6.6 4.9 -1.7 JFK/Johnson Democrat
Jan 1965 Jan 1969 4.9 3.4 -1.5 Johnson Democrat
Jan 1949 Jan 1953 4.3 2.9 -1.4 Truman Democrat
Jan 1997 Jan 2001 5.3 4.2 -1.1 Clinton II Democrat
Jan 1981 Jan 1985 7.5 7.3 -0.2 Reagan I Republican
Jan 1977 Jan 1981 7.5 7.5 0.0 Carter Democrat
Jan 2005 Aug 2008 5.2 6.1 +0.9 Bush, GW II Republican
Jan 2001 Jan 2005 4.2 5.2 +1.0 Bush, GW I Republican
Jan 1953 Jan 1957 2.9 4.2 +1.3 Eisenhower I Republican
Jan 1969 Jan 1973 3.4 4.9 +1.5 Nixon Republican
Jan 1989 Jan 1993 5.4 7.3 +1.9 Bush, GHW Republican
Jan 1957 Jan 1961 4.2 6.6 +2.4 Eisenhower II Republican
Jan 1973 Jan 1977 4.9 7.5 +2.6 Nixon/Ford Republican
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Posted by: Jay | July 31, 2011 at 02:54 AM
"Since 1928 there have been 13 president, 7 Republicans (Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr) and 6 Democrats (FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter and Clinton).
Six of the seven Republican Presidents had unemployment increase while in office. Ronald Reagan is the only Republican President since 1928 to leave office with a lower unemployment rate.
All six Democratic Presidents had unemployment decrease or stay the same while in office. The worst Democratic performance was Jimmy Carter, who had the same unemployment rate when he left office as when he entered.
Viewing the President's 4 year term gives an even more pronounced effect.
Of the Repubilican President's 9 terms, unemployment has increased in 7 of the 9 terms.
Of the Democratic President's 10 terms, the unemployment rate never increased. "
The Party of the rich's whores is goin' DOWN.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 31, 2011 at 03:13 AM
And the only reason Reagan showed lower unemployment is because they didn't count all the air traffic controllers he fired, nor all the mental hospital workers whose jobs he killed when he closed all the mental hospitals and turned the patients out onto the streets.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 31, 2011 at 03:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-dA9kPYKI8&feature=relmfu
Why people call Fox FAKENEWS FOX!
Posted by: Jay | July 31, 2011 at 03:27 AM
But we also know that Levin, unlike Savage, has had a coronary bypass operation. At least one. If I recall correctly, he's had more than one coronary bypass, and he never lets up. Hannity warns him to stay out of Burger King.
POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | JULY 30, 2011 AT 04:06 PM
--
But you should also know the everyone reacts different to thinks like aging and the various surgeries often associated with it.
All I am saying is that Savage does what he can. They all have their ups and downs, their quirks and their unique qualities, even the Wallbanger!
LOL
.
Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 31, 2011 at 10:43 AM
"Why people call Fox FAKENEWS FOX!" - Jay
INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE THE DEATH PANELS.
And you only survive IF YOU'RE RICH.
Posted by: xbjllb | July 31, 2011 at 11:02 AM
RINOS close to a deal: Obama gets to borrow another $2.4 TRILLION, as long as Congress adheres to spending limits "that it sets for itself"...LOL
Posted by: LongRifle | July 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Something to consider: Savage is feared by the establishment; Levin is not.
Posted by: DJ | July 31, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Something to consider: Savage is feared by the establishment; Levin is not.
Posted by: DJ | July 31, 2011 at 12:12 PM
DJ,
That may be so, but I need to know who is saying it---aside from Savage.
If one says that Levin, unlike Savage, is not conpletely on the outside looking in, I would agree without needing substantiation. Levin hasn't burned all his bridges, but he is burning some lately.
Posted by: gringoman | July 31, 2011 at 01:52 PM
That reminds me, DJ. The Gringo World Dictionary needs to get around to a new entry: Idiotlogue (sometimes a synonym for Marxobooby, or leftniki.)
Posted by: gringoman | July 30, 2011 at 03:49 PM
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There's nothing more edifying than The Gringo World Dictionary!
Posted by: DJ | July 30, 2011 at 04:39 PM
DJ,
Thanks for reminding of a new entry, which Monicamemo clearly needs, on the same-sex marriage of socialism with the Devil.:
'satanomarxie'
Coming. The Gringo World Dictionary (New and Revised)
Posted by: gringoman | July 31, 2011 at 02:01 PM
With regards to Paul Ryan's plan.
He took much of his information from the Koch brothers Heritage Foundation.
When people started to question that data, the Heritage Foundation had to change it.
So, his plan is based on falsified data.
Posted by: Jay | July 31, 2011 at 02:05 PM