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March 25, 2010

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xbjllb

Princess. PRINCESS!! You are not raising your profile and career anymore by lying, so PLEASE STOP IT.

LAST POLL shows 52% of Americans APPROVE OF THE BILL.

A mere 41% disapprove. And falling. As I've said all along.

You get NOWHERE by LYING, by adding people who thought the bill WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH and WANTED the public option to your numbers.

Your spin is to obvious to even be taken seriously by your braindead 21% base.

And I quote:

"polling routinely shows that between 52% and 60% loathe the bill"

There you go again, quoting first OLD polls and on top of it, adding progressive's distaste for the bill BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH with your base's fear of compassion for the poor and fascist-enabling fear and distrust of government.

Good grief, your SECOND line is an outright lie coming AND going:

"They [the Democrats] know that their health care "reform" is hated by most of the American people."

First of all, it is NOT hated by most of the American people as ALL polls since the bill passed clearly show.

Secondly, THEY CLEARLY KNOW the America people approve in GROWING numbers as the TRUTH of the bill finally comes out.

Are you trying to lose all credibility here? Are you trying to go down with the sinking ship?

People (and not just me and not just humans either) are trying to hand you a lifeline here to a lifeboat.

TAKE IT.

xbjllb

And another warning, not to you personally but generally to all rabble-rousing so-called self-named "patriots" who visit here, and in general.

The government, when the right wing in charge, is never pathologically afraid of the left wing revolting, and probably built all the FEMA camps intending them for illegal aliens.

The US government, on the other hand, when the left wing is in charge, is absolutely and DULY pathologically afraid of revolt from right wing nutcases, and the clampdown will be severe.

If the rabble rousers instigate violence, (which they are desperately trying to do by the way because GOP Congressmen see their fascist money supply drying up day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute) and we get violence in major cities, you're not going to have a revolution, you're going to have a debacle, and those who survive will be seeing the inside of Bush and Cheney's FEMA camps first hand.

I doubt even Fox "News" would survive in its present format, and believe that martial law will not be pleasant, and you may well see some of your favorite GOP Congress instigators prosecuted as well as Limbaugh, Rove, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, and o'Reilly et al SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD.

This is not an idle threat but an educated warning. WACO and Ruby Ridge proves that when the left wing is in charge, THEY DON'T FOOL AROUND with protecting the duly elected government of the US, whether you fools like it or not.

And they shouldn't. Out of the three major assassination attempts in the 60's, ALL were against left wing leaders. Only the Reagan attempt was by an insane person with no political motivation whatsoever.

Even Bush, the most hated right wing President in all of US history, never experienced a credible assassination attempt. The left wing just isn't that violent.

The right wing, on the other hand? To the point of suicide.

SO before you run out into the street with your fellow "patriots", think about spending 20 to 30 YEARS in a FEMA camp. That would be IF you survive, once things really get ugly.

It's time for the right wing political game playing and rabble rousing to stop. There are people in this country just goading fools into a failed revolution, and then there will be NO RIGHT WING left in this country to oppose anything legally.

Truther

I would like to point out that Roy Beck was assaulted by a group of union members supporting immigrant amnesty in the Washington Mall. This group saw no distinction between a political union and a mob.

Additionally, Rep.Cantor(R-Va) was fired upon in his office.

The truth ought to include out of control groups on the Left that are so threatening (armed and probably on drugs), no one knows what to do about it. Should we just give up and let Menendez(D-NY) be president?

We probably would get along better with Venezuela.


Truther

Far Right extremists might be reactionary, and moved to civil disobedience, but leftist groups make a bad a bad name for jet travel, the device that brings the world closer together.

We enjoyed geographical isolation that gave stability to our economy and stabilized our population. Today it is just a few hours for a terrorist to go from Libya to New York.

Leftist groups exist that have no regard for our nation or its principles - and they're here - living among us, looking like we do. It is very liberal of them to avail themselves to our nation. We may be a melting pot, but we are cooking homemade stew, not a potpourri of junk liquid made into some kind of dirty soup.

FreedomLovingMan

This “Health Bill” is a complete disaster. During the most severe economic downturn since the GD according to our current president, Pelosi and Reid and President Obama have proceeded to greatly increase federal government spending, give generous raises to federal employees and of course hire many more of them etc., etc.,etc. I heard a projection of the course of government spending under this plan which predicts that if it is implemented in its current form that total federal spending will roughly double as a percentage of the economy over the next 20 years. We have government that we can not afford now, so the best course of action according the geniuses currently in power is to massively increase its cost. No wonder that they are trying so strenuously to inflame passions and start fights to distract people. If this taxpayer abuse does not end soon, the American Dream as it has been known will be a fading distant memory. P.S. Monica lifts my spirits every time that I hear her interviewed or read what she has written, so keep it coming. :Like Churchill said,

"Never give in. Never, never, never, never,
in nothing great or small, large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield
to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

M/M

Here is one MY favorite clips from the Tea Parties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1SztCc9Scg

Ummahgummah

"Never give in. Never, never, never, never,
in nothing great or small, large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield
to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

POSTED BY: FREEDOMLOVINGMAN | MARCH 25, 2010 AT 08:41 PM

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Words of Wisdom. Our government should heed those words when dealing with islam, which doesn't belong here, nor anywhere else in the West.

Anyone can find the relevant information re. the constant aggression of islam against the rest of the world.

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xbjllb

Words of Wisdom. Our government should heed those words when dealing with Imperialism, which doesn't belong here, nor anywhere else in the Mideast.

Anyone can find the relevant information re. the constant aggression of the United States against the rest of the world. - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Mirror, mirror...

xbjllb

"Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."" - Churchill by way of "FreedomLovingMan"

Only one difference between Churchill and the GOP: HE wasn't referring to the majority of the British people as the "enemy" while the GOP ABSOLUTELY is referring to the overwhelming majority of the American People as the "enemy".

HUGE difference. Possibly fatal difference.

soggy

That's right Ummah. Islam has no place in a civilized democracy.

Also kudos to MM on the youtube clip, it was inspirational.

xbjllb

People who say a different religion, a different race, a different sexuality, a different sex, or any different belief system have no place in society, TRULY have no place on the planet. But that's for God to decide and God to take care of, and rest assured, His time is coming.

But for now, even sociopaths have their place in our society: The GOP, the Tea Party, on Fox "News", Right wing talk radio, this blog, and in prison.

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xbjllb

The reason most Americans resent Obama care is because congress has not subjected themselves to the same health care they determined for themselves therefore American citizens know that the democratic politicians think they are priviledged characters. Everyone knows the best solution is to provide education funds for the best qualified to become Medical Doctors to increase the supply from the 800000 MD's that the USA now has and also limiting lawyers who sue MD'S.
So Monica you are right on and xbjllb is foolish

And also xbjllb the democratic party are liars because when it comes to abortion they commit fraud on the public because any ELEMENTARY BIOLOGY TEXTBOOK says that the embryo has 23 sets of double helix for DNA that proves that the embryo is human. So the democrats commit fraud and conspirators to murder and therefore cannot be trusted to tell the truth!!!

xbjllb

"The reason most Americans resent Obama care is because congress has not subjected themselves to the same health care they determined for themselves" - IGDWTK

On the contrary, this bill provides the same care they receive to everyone. Even the Executive Branch has agreed to voluntarily go along with the program. Personally, I think they should restrict the bill to Democrats and leave ALL GOP out in the cold, but that might be considered a bit extreme, albeit certainly fair.

"And also xbjllb the democratic party are liars because when it comes to abortion they commit fraud on the public..."

We are NEVER going back to the days of coat hanger back alley abortions, when women like my adopted MOTHER were rendered infertile while teens by botched operations by butchers in back alleys because they were afraid THEIR psychopathic mothers would kill them if they ever found out.

GET OVER IT. You are being scammed. The GOP knows they can never turn the clock back. They take your money "to save babies" and LAUGH all the way to the bank. They have no intention whatsoever of repealing abortion, and they never will even TRY. Why should they? It's too good a moneymaker for them.

And you "saving babies" crowd are too blind to see the obvious.

And the word "blind" is being kind.

xbjllb

Actually, now that I think about it, I think the "NO HEALTHCARE" for the "NO HEALTHCARE" Crowd is a pretty darned genius of an idea. Give people healthcare based on their party affiliation. GOP? Tea Party Independent? You get EXACTLY what you're fighting for. No change whatsoever. One set of rules for you, Big Insurance can screw YOU ALL over ALL THEY WANT, but nobody else. Raise the rates on GOP? NO PROBLEM. Kick your kids off at 21? You got it. Drug doughnut hole for GOP seniors? A done deal.

And GOP who are uninsured, when they show up sick and dying in the emergency room?

Into the dumpster. And drop the bodies off at the local GOP headquarters for a proper GOP burial; a trip to the landfill. Or the "conservative" soylent green factory.

We'll see just how fast you shut your traps.

Get down on your knees and thank your Lucifer that I'm not in charge.

DJ

"We are NEVER going back to the days of coat hanger back alley abortions, when women like my adopted MOTHER were rendered infertile while teens by botched operations by butchers in back alleys because they were afraid THEIR psychopathic mothers would kill them if they ever found out."

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This could all be avoided if single women didn't commit sinful acts resulting in unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The right thing to do in such a case is to give birth and put the child up for adoption. The worst possible case would be to murder the unborn child. This only compounds the sin to the nth degree. By that very fact they will forever be cast into Hell where Lucifer will peck their eyes out, rip their skin off and torment them for all eternity. Is abortion for the purpose of birth contol worth that? What ever happened to chastity?

WowZER

The most dangerous archtype of "enemies of the state" are those in powerful positions who truly believe they are not "enemies of the state", but THEY ACT LIKE "ENEMIES OF THE STATE"

The side John McCain is on is clear:

•John McCain wrote an amnesty bill for illegal aliens which will explode the national debt even more by adding even more costs to our healthcare system and spreading our existing healthcare capacity over an additional 20-30 million lawbreaking illegal aliens in our country.

•John McCain wrote the Cap and Trade National Energy tax - a job killer and economy killer.

•John McCain voted for big bank bailouts which saved financial institutions who took unwarranted risks with depositor's money (ie. rewarded bad behavior)

•John McCain voted to treat terrorists like common criminals rather than enemy combatants - how crazy is this?

•John McCain even voted against the Bush Tax cuts that put your hard-earned money back in your pocket and boosted us out of the recession Clinton left Bush to clean up.

History has shown that we cannot trust John McCain to not side with Obama and the Democrats and pass liberal legislation like Amnesty and Cap & Trade. After all, he wrote the bills!

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xbjllb

Killing Babies are always MURDER. The abortion lobby promotes ideas such as the embryo is bacteria or a virus and i am a personal witness to people making this claim - the claim is a LIE, any BIOLOGY TEXTBOOK SAYS bacteria has one DNA that is circular for some types of bacteria or supercoiled for other types of bacteria. Thus democratic party claims are falsified by science. And any claim about back alley abortions those abortionists should be brought to trial for murder with death penalty implictions.

In terms of partial birth abortions where the babies brains are suctioned out when the baby is obvious human by visual inspection.

The claim there was 100000 back alley abortions a year before roe v wade WAS A LIE.

The democratic party DOES NOT REPRESENT THE LITTLE MAN, IT REPRESENT SPECIAL INTERESTS LIKE MOVEON.ORG SAID THEY BOUGHT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!

xbjllb

"Killing Babies are always MURDER." - IGDWTK


I don't argue with your simplistic and highly useful statement. We merely have a different definition of what a human baby actually IS.

YOU have a problem with biology and science here. Fetuses are not babies until they are born. That's how it was in Christ's day, that's how it was a century ago, and it's how it is now. A fetus is a parasitical PRE-human growth that cannot survive without being attached to its mother or some MACHINE that substitutes for the mother. If you take your logic to its obvious and ludicrous conclusion, INCUBATORS violate God's will.

Women who are, and had already been born suffered much misery for CENTURIES before medical abortion. In Christ's day, the prostitutes he befriended used branches and herbs and physical falls. There was no other form of birth control to facilitate their profession. He never said WORD ONE about what they were doing. If it had been REMOTELY important, He would have.

Through the centuries women have thrown themselves down staircases, purposely fallen off horses, resorted to all sorts of unsafe potions and "remedies", and medically, you and yours are liars, or to be kind, misinformed and used.

Fetuses are not human babies until they are separate from the Mother, and born into the world. Until that time they are PRE-Human. If the mother gets hit by a car crossing the street, that PRE-human being in her womb NEVER EXISTED, and furthermore, it was God's WILL that it never existed. That is Biblical truth from the Old Testament until Christ's day. The Catholic Church, before they figured out that increased abortion would cut into their BOTTOM LINE, taught that the soul entered the body at birth.

THAT is truth. ONLY once they started worrying more about THEIR BOTTOM LINE than TRUTH did the "Church" BECOME anti-abortion.

Your error and you personally serve liars, demons, Lucifer, and fools. You willingly facilitate Lucifer himself because he, and he ALONE promises to "save" "babies" while destroying souls and innocent life all over the globe at America's hand.

While God does NOT.

Bottom line: God gives souls to human beings at BIRTH, when they enter the WORLD, when they NEED them, and not a moment before; to do otherwise to entertain potential parents would be a waste of resources. And God is never wasteful.

And a soul is what makes a human being HUMAN. Until then AT BEST it is merely a potential and at least it is a parasite on the Mother; its final being is determined by its mother, hopefully a father, and ultimately, God Himself.

So it was before Christ, so it was in Christ's day, so it was now until the Catholic Church realized it was cutting into the collection plates and the GOP figured out they could make trillions from arguing against it. Never EVER really DOING anything against it, just promising they would fight it.

xbjllb

"What ever happened to chastity?" - DJ


Chastity is a convenient myth, much like celibacy, promoted by the Catholic Church to make money by controlling people's natural physical desires. And helpful to parents not eager for another mouth to feed.

Abortion, on the other hand, has been with us since Adam and Eve. See the above post. Christ Himself never said WORD ONE about it to the prostitutes He befriended. If it had mattered, He would have. The answer is right there in the Bible, NOT in "the way that makes sense to Man."

And anyone who truly wanted to avoid ALL abortion would be handing out birth control pills starting with 10 year old girls. It's not about life for the "Church"; it's about MONEY.

Anything else is just circular argument BS.

What anti-choice people want is sexual procreative control over women, whether it be their wives or daughters or sisters or all women, and more often than not, the reason is financial.

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xbjllb

i have no problem with science: BIOLOGY TEXTBOOKS does state that the embryo has DNA of 23 sets if double helix chromosomes residing in a cell nucleus. The experimental verification of this is by the microscope. You have the problem with science since you have no experimental justification for your statement. If the embryo wasn't human from the beginning, then how does the DNA suddenly change into human DNA - by using a magic wand? How does it go from non human to suddenly become human?

Your use of the term fetus and prehuman is merely an illogical use of trying to disguise the truth by altering the vocabulary. Since you want to hide the truth with language you have much in common with hitler who used terms like useless eaters to describe obvious human beings.

Your attempts to discredit chastity shows like the democratic party you have a anything goes - in other words relativistic morality. But truth isn't relative because it isn't something you invent, it is discovered. [example Sir Issac Newton didn't invent gravity he discovered it]. Truth is true everywhere [example 4 + 3 is 7 no matter what culture]. Truth doesn't depend on what we believe [example hitler was sincere but he was absolutely wrong]. Truth is unchanging it is just our beliefs about truth that changes [The earth is round, people just changed their beliefs about the earth being flat]. Attitudes do not affect truth [it doesn't make one difference if a person is arrogant or humble, attitude doesn't affect what the truth is] Consequently all truth is absolute. BUT YOU STICK UP FOR THE DEMOCRATS WHO THINK TRUTH IS RELATIVE WHICH WAS JUST EASILY REFUTED - so as i say again ABORTION IS MURDER


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i meant to write "23 sets of double helix chromosomes residing in a cell nucleus" In my posting at 7:34PM i wrote the word if instead of the word in.

DJ

Human life begins at the point of conception, that's an undisputed scientific fact. At what point we assign value to it is a moral question. As a Christian, I put value on it at the point of conception.

Not to do so is to gamble with your eternal soul. Look at it as a variation of Pascal's Wager, that being: why risk damnation by being complicit with abortion instead of condemning it. Of course there a few exceptions to the rule such as if the pregnancy itself will cause the death of the mother, then the mother's life can take precedence over the unborn without eternal moral condemnation....

xbjllb

Guys... sorry to be a stickler but I'm sticking with Jesus Christ and what HE had to say about it TO prostitutes who were doing it, and what everyone believed in His time until the time it cut into the Catholic Church's income and the time conservatives decided it would make a dandy fundraising football.

As far as gambling with my soul? Not to worry. I don't gamble. My Dad owns the House.

Fetuses are not human; they are pre-human entertainment possessions of breeding humans.

And a very useful tool to sucker fools into Hell and supporting Satan.

Growths that, God and the mother willing, will one day BECOME human, and be gifted a soul from God.

Already born babies and children, with souls, like the kind conservatives kill in their endless wars of choice by the tens of millions?

Another story entirely. Good luck justifying that to God's face. Talk about gambling your soul.

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It isn't a gamble - the SCIENCE of embryology has established the fact that after fertilization within one day that there is tiny bundle of quickly dividing cells. Now ONLY WHAT IS LIVING undergoes cell division, for example nonliving stuff like rocks do not undergo cell division, and what was once alive when dead does not have cell division.

xbjllb you are not sticking with JESUS because HE said that the merciful shall be granted mercy. ABORTION IS NOT MERCIFUL. Once again you are trying to use relative morality. As i already pointed out truth is absolute with about 5 examples of the reason for why truth is absolute. So the democratic party ideology of relative truth is false so the democratic party is fraud. So the democrats advocate a lie, and can't be trusted even in the area of what they say about conservatives. Conservatives do not promote unnecessary war - they do promote war to destroy absolute evil - example hitler would not be removed from power without war after Neville Chamberlains appeasement of hitler in Munich.

xbjllb

"ABORTION IS NOT MERCIFUL" - IGDWTK


In some cases it is. Precious few would argue that Hitler should not have been aborted. It would have been quite merciful to 10 million if he'd been aborted.

Ditto Stalin to even more victims. We have to start remembering that even Hitler and Stalin and Cheney were once precious babies to their parents. And before and after that, accursed fetuses and human monsters.

Conservatives do not promote unnecessary war; they ARE unnecessary war; it's the very essence of their accursed existence.

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xbjllb

1. Your assertion that abortion applied to hitler etc is merciful defies rationality. To prevent hitler you are going to murder medical doctors, someone who could cure cancer and all the human beings who are good. Rationality says we cannot determine who is the extremely bad. RATIONALITY SAYS THAT YOU CONTROL THE hitler TYPE PERSONALITY FROM GAINING POWER OVER PEOPLE IS to recognize them for the threat that they represent and to PREVENT THEM FROM GAINING CONTROL OVER A NATION'S MILITARY.

2. Neville Chamberlain just got a worthless piece of paper when he confronted hitler in Munich promising peace. DICK CHENEY KNOWS THE ERROR OF NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN AND AVOIDED REPEATING THE CHAMBERLAIN MISTAKE. CHENEY ACTED TO DESTROY EVIL - REMEMBER THAT ON 9/11 AIRPLANES WAS FLOWN INTO BUILDINGS? So your claims against Cheney are irrational and all you are doing is being a mouthing the democratic party line. But as i wrote earlier the democratic party is the party which prefers relativistic morality - and as i mentioned earlier that one of the reasons truth is absolute is that it is true despite our beliefs [i used the example to illustrate this of the earth is always round is true and the belief of the vast majority of people was the earth was flat - so it wasn't truth that changed just the belief of people that changed]
3. YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT JESUS SAYING THAT AN EMBRYO DOESN'T HAVE A SOUL UNTIL BIRTH REQUIRES that you be asked where in the Bible does it say that? Everyone please note in Luke1: 44 Elizabeth said when she met Mary that the "Babe leaped in my womb for joy" Leaping for joy is an indication that there is a soul already in the baby.
4. YOUR CLAIM ABOUT COAT HANGER ABORTIONS IS FALSE because even legal abortions causes death - there exist the Blackmun wall named after Supreme Court Justice Blackmun and this wall memorializes women who were killed by legal abortions. And the women who went to the low talented doctors who preformed back alley abortions always had an opportunity to go to real medical professionals.

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One more comment that i should have included in my comment at 5:32PM is as follows:

in regard to the democratic party philosophy that all truth is relative - one very strong indicator of this is Obama as a State Senator in Illinois voted 3 times to deny babies who survive an abortion be denied medical care.

xbjllb

1. " To prevent hitler you are going to murder medical doctors, someone who could cure cancer and all the human beings who are good."


Wrong. Abortion is not murder. If God's will determines what church gets destroyed by a tornado, than God's will determines what fetuses will be born and what fetuses will not be born. If God's will determines whether I get robbed, maimed, or killed by some idiot, then God's will determines what fetuses will come to term, enter the world, obtain a soul, and live.


2. "Dick Cheney"


Those planes were flown INTO buildings because Dick Cheney GAVE THE STANDBY ORDER that stopped the military from shooting them down.


3. "Leaping for joy is an indication that there is a soul already in the baby."


I can take a dead frog, attach a battery to its leg, and make that leg "jump for joy" until the cows come home, and still not give that frog life or a soul.

Wow. According to your logic, not only is that frog alive, it has a soul.


4. "And the women who went to the low talented doctors who preformed back alley abortions always had an opportunity to go to real medical professionals."


My mother and millions of her sister victims did not. Furthermore, the percentage of legal abortions that result in death is negligible compared to 40-50% of botched illegal abortions resulting in either a death sentence or lifelong infertility and disability (as my own adopted Mother received.)

I know. Compassionate conservatism dictates "women who kill their babies get exactly what they deserve."

Tell it to Jesus face to face and see how far that gets you.

You (and all conservatives) elevate parasitic possibly human growths over women.

Shows how much you value real life. And women.


5. "Obama as a State Senator in Illinois voted 3 times to deny babies who survive an abortion be denied medical care."


First of all, souless parasitic tumors are NOT human babies until they are born and given a soul. Secondly, Obama was merely the tool of God's will in that particular vote. God (in control of all circumstances) had already determined that parasite was not to live, and would receive no soul.

You know, c'mon, it's not that hard a stretch... like you conservatives view the poor and their right to healthcare, and all the collateral damage in our "ethical" and "holy" wars against Islam.

xbjllb

Only difference is, in one case God is the judge of who lives and who dies, and in the other case, it's conservatives.

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xbjllb

Your irrationality is shown by saying a dead frog that once lived which has a battery attached. An embryo doesn't start out dead and then have a battery attached to him/ her so there is no analogy.

No one knew that the hijacking was going to result in the planes being flown into buildings: until that point no planes were hijacked then flown into a building: CONSEQUENTLY DICK CHENEY WHICH LIKE EVERYONE ELSE LACKS PSYCHIC ABILITY WOULD NOT KNOW TO TAKE MILITARY ACTION therefor XBJLLB YOU ARE IRRATIONAL.

THE PERCENTAGE OF LEGAL ABORTIONS THAT RESULT IN DEATH IS AS HIGH AS ILLEGAL ABORTIONS. THERE WAS NEVER 100000 ILLEGAL ABORTIONS DEATH A YEAR AS WAS CLAIMED.

YOU DO NOT REPRESENT JESUS. AS IT SAYS IN THE GOSPELS "BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING". You are attempting to justify murder like hitler did by denying the humanity of people and you are attempting to justify the us supreme court which in Dred Scott declared that African Americans weren't human and the democratic party by nominating McClellan to run against REPUBLICAN ABRAHAM LINCOLN. McClellan didn't want the Civil War to continue so this country could eliminate slavery [by the way senator robert byrd a democrat was a grand wizzard of the klu klux klan]. Beside Dred Scott decision the us supreme court also decided that the embryo isn't human - so the supreme court once again is in the business of declaring who is human and who is not. The science OF BIOLOGY NOT THE SUPREME COURT DETERMINED THE HUMANITY OF THE EMBRYO - THUS ROE V WADE DEFIES SCIENCE.

You just don't learn you repitition over and over the embryo isn't human also defies science. YOU ARE IRRATIONAL.

xbjllb

1. "Your irrationality is shown by saying a dead frog that once lived which has a battery attached. An embryo doesn't start out dead and then have a battery attached to him/ her so there is no analogy." - IGDWTK


On the contrary, there could be no more perfect analogy. If I got into a time machine with a dead frog and a battery, showed my biological trick to Martha herself, she'd swear to her death that the frog was alive. Put it inside her and she'd swear she was pregnant and the frog inside her had a soul. Just because something moves doesn't make it a sentient being with a soul. GOD gives humans their soul at birth, not a male and female at conception in the aftermath of a particularly intense rut. That's my point, it's well made, and it stands.


2. "No one knew that the hijacking was going to result in the planes being flown into buildings: until that point no planes were hijacked then flown into a building: CONSEQUENTLY DICK CHENEY WHICH LIKE EVERYONE ELSE LACKS PSYCHIC ABILITY WOULD NOT KNOW TO TAKE MILITARY ACTION therefor XBJLLB YOU ARE IRRATIONAL."


At the time Cheney told the fighter jets that had automatically been sent after the FOURTH plane, TWO JETS had ALREADY hit the WTC and they were well aware of it. Cheney, at the very LEAST, is responsible for the damage and loss of life at the Pentagon.

Not to mention the fact they shot down the THIRD plane because the gas hadn't taken effect and things weren't going according to plan for THAT plane to hit the Pentagon. The FOURTH plane destined for the White House, loaded with tourists and NO BUSHES, was then diverted to the Pentagon.

That happens to be treason. But you digress.


3. "THE PERCENTAGE OF LEGAL ABORTIONS THAT RESULT IN DEATH IS AS HIGH AS ILLEGAL ABORTIONS."


That statement is idiotic and made of straw. Of course a much higher PERCENTAGE of women died from illegal abortions before Roe Vs. Wade than died after from legal ones.


4. "YOU DO NOT REPRESENT JESUS."


Indeed I do or He would stop me. He's quite able, you know.

Abortion is not murder. The fetus is a souless parasite of the mother host. If you want to start qualifying termination of prehuman substances that might RESULT in life, GOD willing, then I suggest you are a murderer every time you masturbate.

Or a woman every time she menstruates and flushes unfertilized eggs down the toilet is committing murder. Carry your illogic to its ultimate ludicrous conclusion.

You can't argue logic. God is ultimate logic.

An embryo is PRE human; not human. That's what people believed in Christ's day, that's what Christ believed because He Himself never said WORD ONE about pregnancy termination, and that's WHO I believe.

No one else. Least of all you. Who's going to believe someone who got drunk with Ted Kennedy in the first place?

xbjllb

Let's look at how the Gospels themselves treat conception vs. birth, shall we?

ONE angel appeared to Mary to give her the happy news, in an event that lasted, at most, minutes. Later, there was Martha THINKING that John and Jesus were having a reunion and planning session in the womb. Kind of a quaint cute notion, actually, but the Bible doesn't state it as truth but as what MARTHA BELIEVED. Ultimately, however, all the angels in heaven weren't assembled and did not start singing ALL NIGHT LONG until the night Jesus Christ was BORN.

Ergo, I'd say God and all of Heaven itself considers birth far more important than conception. For a reason.

Look at thousands of Christmas carols from day one. Not a single one from long ago deals with conception. They all deal with the Holy Night He was BORN.

Birth is what matters, and what happens afterward. It was always thus until Catholicism started getting greedy, paranoid, and POWER mad.

Actually, you want to know the actual source of the belief of souls being present inside the womb prior to birth?

Comes from belief in reincarnation and the heresies of pre-existence.

This is not to say that Christ Himself, of course, was not pre-existent. As such, He might WELL have been sentient and present with a soul in the womb.

But to ascribe that exception to all mortal human beings who are decidedly not God would not just be in error; it would be actual heresy.

Something the Catholic Church is, in all actuality, quite fond of.

xbjllb

I'll even grant you something here, and it might have even been a greater miracle than anyone's yet realized.

What if Martha was right? What if John actually DID receive his soul, in the womb, courtesy of Christ, as God, in Mary's womb? Perhaps that's why Martha said anything at all, because it was truly EXCEPTIONAL, a true MIRACLE that happened prior to birth.

If so, to ascribe that miracle based on being in the presence of God in the womb of Mary to ALL mankind, would be at best highly presumptuous, and at worst, blasphemous.

You or I are not John nor will we ever be. And our pregnant mothers were not in the physical presence of Christ in the womb either.

All I am saying is miraculous things do occur, and do not automatically mean that the mundane automatically becomes the miraculous.

Bottom line is still this: If abortion was murder, Christ would certainly have said it was to the women in His life who were certainly doing it regularly as a pre-birth control cost of their livelihood.

When it came to harming children, He rebuked even His own disciples.

If He was unconcerned with terminating pregnancy, then so am I. Why would a God who gives his entire creation, even Lucifer himself, free will to either do good or wreak havoc, NOT give women the same free will regarding procreation?

And who is the Church and worse yet the right wing, save an agency of Satan who detests human free will and wants all of humanity in chains, to do otherwise?

People need more freedom, not less.

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xbjllb

To begin with human embryos are not parasites. When my wife was pregnant with our daughter i saw the ultrasound pictures and clearly she was human. In addition i felt the baby kick many times while my daughter was in the womb. In addition YOUR IGNORING THE SCIENCE OF BIOLOGY WHICH AS I STATED EARLIER SHOWS BY EXPERIMENTAL VERIFICATION WITH THE MICROSCOPE THAT THE EMBRYO HAS 23 SETS OF DOUBLE HELIX CHROMOSONES AND DESPITE WHAT BIOLOGY HAS VERIFIED YOUR STATEMENTS DEFY SCIENTIFIC FACT. You don't even read Biology textbooks - and you question me? With the wonders of my wife being pregnant and the wonders of the baby - i started reading molecular biology books which expanded my horizon to more than computer books. So who are you to question me?

In addition my family are protestants not catholic.

In addition your reference to Islam with such fondness proves how idiotic you are. After 9/11 i started to read what the Quran says. i found such statements such as the command to its followers to amputate every finger off the unbeliever located in surah 8:12. i found the statement where there is the command to cut off the unbelievers head in surah 47:4. i KNOW THAT SHARIA LAW APPROVES MISTREATMENT OF FEMALES SUCH AS IN FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION AND HONOR KILLING OF WOMEN AND KILLING OF WOMEN FOR NOT WEARING THE BURKA. AND YOU THINK THAT I WOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER - YOU IDIOT. AS THE BIBLE COMMENTS THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE RAGE OF A MOTHER BEAR WHEN ITS CUBS ARE THREATEN - AND YOU THINK I DON'T HAVE MORE SENSE THAN A BEAR. YOU PROVE THE IRRATIONAL IDIOCY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WILL NOT DETER ME FROM DEFENDING MY DAUGHTER OR WIFE IF NECESSARY.

xbjllb

You are in grave error and go against what people and Christ believed in His time.

That's on you; not me.

I have no "fondness" for Islam or any other religion. All religions have been perverted by Satan.

The only Truth is what Jesus Christ said, lived, taught, and died, and that is Truth that few people adhere to. And Truth is that humans aren't human until they are born into the world and can survive free of the mother without medical intervention. Period.

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xbjllb

First of all you do not represent Jesus.

Second your use of semantics never nullifies science - only experimental evidence can nullify science.

Third of all i have a computer printout of all your remarks because you are useful because i can discuss with my daughter how a foolish mind works.

Fourth: YOUR IGNORING THE SCIENCE OF BIOLOGY WHICH AS I STATED EARLIER SHOWS BY EXPERIMENTAL VERIFICATION WITH THE MICROSCOPE THAT THE EMBRYO HAS 23 SETS OF DOUBLE HELIX CHROMOSONES AND DESPITE WHAT BIOLOGY HAS VERIFIED YOUR STATEMENTS DEFY SCIENTIFIC FACT.


xbjllb

"First of all you do not represent Jesus."


If I did not, He would stop me. On the contrary, I assure you I DO. Jesus Christ is Lord of my life. You cannot say the same.

And 23 sets of double helix chromosomes ARE NOT PROOF OF THE PRESENCE OF A SOUL WHATSOEVER.

And my friend, it is the presence of a soul, AT BIRTH, that makes a human being human. NOTHING else.

And before you even attempt to argue science, LEARN HOW TO SPELL CHROMOSOMES CORRECTLY.

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xbjllb

First you don't represent JESUS. JESUS commanded the showing of mercy to human beings including human embryos. You have in the past staated JESUS would stop you if what you did was evil. Not so, if you read the Bible you would know that 2Peter chapter 2 says GOD has reserved for judgement the punishment of the wicked. So it is not true that judgement is immediate. And abortiond murder by amputation and burning with chemicals is not merciful.

Second when my daughter was in my wifes womb - i felt her kicking so she was allive before birth and therefore had a soul. In addition you DEFY EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY because the results shows my daughter has 23 sets of double helix chromosomes each with the correct order of genes that is identical to born humans. So my daughter was both human and alive in her mother's womb. So your statements are false.

My friend for some reason you defy what experimental Biology can prove with mere semantics. That is going against objective reality - which doesn't mean you live in a world of reality.

xbjllb

Like I said, when you can state to the world that Jesus Christ is Lord of your life, as I have on occasions too numerous to count, until you do, you know what you have?

Empty words, flawed logic, and misplaced faith, if any at all. FAKE Christianity. Lucifer's own Christianism hatched from the bowels of hell itself.

God and ONLY God makes human beings. Not you rutting with your wife. I don't care how good it was.

And He, and only HE, makes us human at birth. Not a second before. God does not waste souls.

You and your kind do not only waste souls; you wantonly and willingly destroy them after God has given them to the world.

Woe to you Pharisees and Hypocrites and False Teachers and Christianists!

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