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November 11, 2009

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gringoman

American Christians have fought European Christians (see WW I and II)

Atheists have fought atheists (see French Revolution, Bolshevik Revolution, China, Soviet Union, Vietnam, Khmer Rouge etc)

Muslims have fought other muslims throughout their history (see Shi'a, Sunni, Iraq, Iran etc.)

Do US muslims have a problem with fighting muslims elsewhere? Are we permitted to ask?

Or are questions like this inappropriate, in PC wartime, for a nation of 300 million POWs being held by their Politically Correct Military Police?

Ree

Veterans Day Remembering The Pacific Theater WWII my father.

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/11/veterans-day-pacific-wwii-memorial.html

xbjllb

"Do US muslims have a problem with fighting muslims elsewhere? Are we permitted to ask?" - Gringo

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US muslims HAVE fought AND died in Afghanistan and Iraq. Already. And one could assume they had to fight and kill other Moslems to do it.

Hasan is the first who went bonkers, and if he was any other religion than Moslem, we wouldn't be even having this discussion.

This event is just a perfect occasion for a lot of professional warmongers masquerading as fearmongers to have their little Black Mass.

It's only Halloween. It too will pass, as "Jihad" soon becomes synonymous with BS.

"American" (in name ONLY) warmongering bas*tards don't ever dare 9-11 again in our lifetimes. They arrogantly almost FUBAR the last time.

gringoman

Legal Dictionary

ter·ror·ism

Function: noun

1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion

/////Consensus of the PC-POW Nation's Government-Media complex: Major Nidal Malik Hasan's Massacre at Fort Hood, perpetrated in a flowing white robe, with 'Allahu Akbar' shout-out, was neither Islamic nor terrorist.

Why?

1. Islam is a religion of peace.

2. He acted alone.

3. Let's not rock the diversity boat

Is the politically correct mind really so stunted, or just mimicking? Is a muslim who clings to his Koran ever alone?


xbjllb

"'Allahu Akbar' shout-out, was neither Islamic nor terrorist." - Gringo


First out of the box, I don't believe he shouted any such thing.

Only one person claimed such, and I believe that person to be an opportunistic liar, under the command of opportunistic liars, or BOTH.

Lying, along with killing, is taught incredibly well in basic training.

Far more believable and closer to the truth is, if he shouted anything, it was "GD MF."

I also don't buy that more than a few were killed in the crossfire by those attempting to bring him down. Those pesky bothersome reports of more than one shooter, you know?

Gringo, your religionist bigotry has disabled your BS detector.

Certainly not the first time, and sadly, not the last either.

twitter.com/dagwood412

I guess Monica forgot about the Virginia Tech massacre. You know, 32 people died at the hands of a South Korean.

The VT massacre and Ft Hood shooting are very similar. Both had disgruntled people who showed signs of problems before they did their act. However, one is a crime, the other is a 'jihad' war because one was religious.

Ummahgummah

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M/M, re the Carrie Prejean story.. do you now see why I refer to a certain LIEberal on this board as the XKREMENT?

There's no other name fitting for a creature as vile as this one.

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Ummahgummah

I love this gal (but I guess Donald Trump probably can do more for her.)

POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | NOVEMBER 10, 2009 AT 10:10 PM

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I hope you were being ironic there. we wouldn't what the ol' Donald to do too much for her, know what I mean?


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Geithner finally got it: "strong dollar important to US economy". Will he now see adverse effects of national debt & loose money supply?

- twitter.com/freecapitalism

M/M

M/M, re the Carrie Prejean story.. do you now see why I refer to a certain LIEberal on this board as the XKREMENT?

There's no other name fitting for a creature as vile as this one..

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 11, 2009 at 02:55 PM
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XKREMENT is the perfect name for the creature.

gringoman

I love this gal (but I guess Donald Trump probably can do more for her.)

POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | NOVEMBER 10, 2009 AT 10:10 PM

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I hope you were being ironic there. we wouldn't what the ol' Donald to do too much for her, know what I mean?


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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 11, 2009 at 02:58 PM

I don't see Donald Trump as a common lecher. Too much savoir faire, business sense, and old enough for Aphrodite in more ways than just one. But he wouldn't mind people wondering and guessing. It's all good for The Buzz.

gringoman

I guess Monica forgot about the Virginia Tech massacre. You know, 32 people died at the hands of a South Korean.

The VT massacre and Ft Hood shooting are very similar. Both had disgruntled people who showed signs of problems before they did their act. However, one is a crime, the other is a 'jihad' war because one was religious.

Posted by: Dagwood | November 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM

Maybe it's about time that the FBI of the Obama-Holder DOJ
got to work on Koreans. Why are we hearing so much about muslims and so little about Koreans? Why such discrimination? Do we really know whether

1. Korean Buddhist monasteries all over the world are preaching "death to the Great Satan" or at least Victory Over The Infidels?

2.Korean "suicide-bombers" are blowing up not only non-Buddhists, but even many Buddhists?

3.The Korean Buddhist is at war with 22 different Governments around the world?

4. Buddhists are executing homosexuals, who in the West prefer to attack Christians rather than Buddhists?

5. Do we really know that the Korean student was not in contact with radical Buddhist monks here or in other countries?

Didn't the Korean student get to kill more than the misunderstood muslim Major Hasan, who had the bad luck to be interrupted by a Texas woman with a gun?

Conclusion: Why do Americans seem more tempted by Islamophobia than Buddhistophobia? Should we not launch a panel of experts to study this? Can NPR help out here? Can George Soros fund an inquiry? Are there not signs of bigotry and discrimination against Islam, while soft-pedaling the Buddhist and/or Korean danger?

Ummahgummah

I don't see Donald Trump as a common lecher. Too much savoir faire, business sense, and old enough for Aphrodite in more ways than just one. But he wouldn't mind people wondering and guessing. It's all good for The Buzz.

POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | NOVEMBER 11, 2009 AT 04:09 PM

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Take away the money.. and you will.. Bu hey, we can't agree on everyhing!

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gringoman

M/M, re the Carrie Prejean story.. do you now see why I refer to a certain LIEberal on this board as the XKREMENT?

There's no other name fitting for a creature as vile as this one..

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 11, 2009 at 02:55 PM
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XKREMENT is the perfect name for the creature.

Posted by: M/M | November 11, 2009 at 04:08 PM

Does this open up another frontier in American lingo?

Going postal.

Going muslim.

Going Xkremental

Ummahgummah

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I was going to comment on the Korean smear / islamofascist whitewash next and I saw Gringoman beat me to it. No need to repeat since what I read matches my thinking 100%.

Very well said indeed, Gringoman! You dispatched that LIEB !!! I don't think we'll see him again LOL

Send 'n'pr to investigate.. LOL.. PRICELESS..

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Ummahgummah

Going muslim.

Going Xkremental

POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | NOVEMBER 11, 2009 AT 04:59 PM


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How about: To be moslem means to go exkrementally XKRE-mental!

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gringoman

I don't see Donald Trump as a common lecher. Too much savoir faire, business sense, and old enough for Aphrodite in more ways than just one. But he wouldn't mind people wondering and guessing. It's all good for The Buzz.

POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | NOVEMBER 11, 2009 AT 04:09 PM

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Take away the money.. and you will.. Bu hey, we can't agree on everyhing!

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 11, 2009 at 04:58 PM

We agree without agreeing that we agree. If The Donald had been a common lecher he knows they might have taken away his money by now. The trick, in any endeavor, is to be uncommon. You can almost hear him: "Business sense, and especially savoir---don't go near a bedroom without it, including your wife's."

gringoman

Speaking of the famous Stockholm Syndrome, am I the first to pose the following question:

Are not homosexuuals, especially today's militant US crop, a great example of mass Stockholm Syndrome vis-a-vis Islam?

Ummahgummah

IS OBAMA A LIAR?


The fact that he went to a madraza in Indonesia is well-known to everyone, as is the fact that his student card listed his religion as - ta-dah! moslem.

Read his for verification of facts:

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/klein-obama-calls-jakarta-his-old-hometown-was-president-citizen-of-worlds-most-populous-muslim-nation/

Of course there are other sources that corroborate this information.

Now let's move on to his latest speech at Fort Hood:

(excerpt)

"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor," Obama told the crowd on a steamy Texas afternoon. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world and the next."

Assuming Mr. Soetoro.. errr. Obama paid attention just a LITTLE BIT while learning the KKKoranmpf by heart - as all good moozeleem students do - then it stands to reason he must also be aware of this:

Excerpt K 4:089-091

[4.89] …take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them... [4.90] Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91]...seize them and kill them wherever you find them...

and this:

Excerpt K 4:100-104

[4.100] ...whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his reward is indeed with Allah... [4.101] Rodwell: And when ye go forth to war in the land, it shall be no crime in you to cut short your prayers, if ye fear lest the infidels come upon you; Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! [4.102] ...let them take their arms...let them take their precautions and their arms...there is no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you are sick, that you lay down your arms... [4.103] Khalifa: Once you complete your Contact Prayer (Salat), you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat); the Contact Prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. [4.104] ...be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy...

and this:

Excerpt K 5:033

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have “exiled” rather than “imprisoned”]

AND THIS:

Excerpt K 33:25-27

[33.25]...Allah sufficed the believers in fighting… [33.26]...some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27]...He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden…
Set 67
Count 134
Excerpt K 33:050

...those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses [i.e., by virtue of the sword used in Jihad] out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war...

http://www.yoel.info/koranwarpassagesformat.htm

There's just too many.. I was looking for this one: "behold, I've been made victorious with terror"

And I found THIS tresure rove of islamist exhortations to VIOLENCE by THEIR 'prophet':

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Terrorism.Islam


Now who will tell me that Barry Sot.. errr.. Barack Obama.. never EVER heard of any of all these islamic exhortation to violence?

Ergo, if one assumes he was at least an average student in KKKoran KKKlass then it stands to reason that he also KNOWS that islam not only condones, but that it DEMANDS ' these murderous and craven acts' from its followers!

Therefore he is a LIAR

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gringoman

Ummah,

Do the records show that Barry Soetoro was proficient in reading? At the madrasa did he have to take remedial Indonesian?

Also, his father was a muslim socialist and/or an atheist socialist. His sophomore mother was apparently a socialist atheist. I've never heard the Government-media flunkey complex explain at what age he became a soi-disant Christian. Maybe I missed something?

gringoman

CONGRESS PASSES WIDE-RANGING BILL EASING BANK LAWS
By Stephen Labaton, NY Times
Published: Friday, November 5, 1999

Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century,” Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers said. ”This historic legislation will better enable American companies to compete in the new economy.”

The decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 provoked dire warnings from a handful of dissenters that the deregulation of Wall Street would someday wreak havoc on the nation’s financial system. The original idea behind Glass-Steagall was that separation between bankers and brokers would reduce the potential conflicts of interest that were thought to have contributed to the speculative stock frenzy before the Depression.

gringoman

gringINTEL Economics (Open Source)

OBAMUNISM: The Brave New Future


An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on the present administration’s plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Dgscol

Sadly, we have lost Lou Dobbs at CNN, because he alienated a sector of our society. The fear of invoking somoeone's antipathy is causing much important dialog from occuring. This is what caused the failure of the banks - nobody that blew the whistle about obviously bad activities, and Hasan the jihadi, whom no one wanted to report although his actions and statements were way out of bounds, and now illegal Hispanics that are illegal can no longer be discussed because of their complaint. In many instances the lack of open discussion is prohibiting reform - finding problems and exploring solutions. If
one sees the bias in the liberal press in the past, there is now a similar bias involving the blocking of free discussion, in favor of political correctness - that is, the deliberate misrepresentation of news to please some group or to avoid secular criticism. Lou's departure further stymies others, creating even more caution. Placing the press "On bended knee"
began during the Reagan administration, and this basic posture is now a part of the institution.

As I said before, our democratic country depends on truely free speech and airing of issues publically. Without it our society is broken, and may in the future become seriously repressive, as in China. The next most salient public critic, is now Jon Stewert. It was the pamphleteers that were placed into stocks for complaining about the lack of a chance to tell their side of a case to a judge, to know who their accuser was, and to have unbiased judgment of their cases according to established law. They were tortured, had their eyes gouged out with a pole, placed on a rack, and imprisoned. Because of them we have due process of law, and an adversarial court process, that was extended to the press for a fair
hearing of an issue.

Ummahgummah

Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century,” Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers said. ”This historic legislation will better enable American companies to compete in the new economy.”

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Is that the guy who got kicked out of Haahvahd for asking he question whether lower performance of women in the sciences might possibly be due to genetic differences in men and women?

I don't think he meant it as a simply rhetorical question but rather as a touchpoint for future serious investigation.

Interesting to see this guy resurface in this unexpected manner.

Who's got background information or intelligent speculation on this?

That would LOGICALLY exclude the XKREM.

All intelligent responses are welcomed.

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Dgscol

Of course, there have been historical problems with the press. We are all aware probably that the newspapers were politically polarized, and so the fair, free, and informed discussions around a round table that we crave and need, seldom occurred publically place then either.

What is going to happen in 2012? Sarah Palin will become President and it will be the end of the world?
Actually I bring this up because I heard a discussion of this first from NASA. First they give us global warming and now this. When will the discuss something real that is of importance to people? We have the incompetance of NASA administrators as evinced by the Challenger incident and later the lack of a rescue plan for Columbia and the shuttle generally, then there was the humiliation of the global warming hoax described by Griffin as "we just wanted everyone to get along", and now we are paying NASA people to tell us about 2012.

Will they be able to put a base on the moon without killing everyone?

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Repeal of Glass-Steagall did not cause the financial crisis, if that is what you are implying by posting an article from ten years ago, Gringoman.

The repeal was the brainchild of Senator Phil Gramm and resulted in Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that took down barriers between investment banks and comercial banks. The resulting financial supermarkets fueled growth, made mortages more readily available, spawned internet banking and brokerage ... all of which lowered transaction costs and gave more choice to consumers.

What caused the crisis was,
- easy money by the Fed that inflated asset prices;
- government regulation, namely Community Reinvestment Act and Homestead Disclosure Act;
- the illusion that Fannie and Freddie were government agencies and the tolerance for the risky investments they made;
- the SEC and Fed allowing high leverage at banks as they traded their capital.

What prolonged, is prolonging, the crisis is "too-big-to-fail" misallocation-of-public-funds policies started under Bush, expanded under Obama.

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There is nothing up my sleeves ...

"White House Aims to Cut Deficit With TARP Cash" (WSJ, 12 Nov. 2009)

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MA: TARP funds are borrowed funds! So this is nothing more than financing the deficit, usually financed with Tresuries, with other borrowed funds: all because Treasury is bumping up against the debt limit and doesn't want to bring attention to it during this time of the $1 trillion health care debate to ask Congress to raise the debt ceiling.

And for the next trick, Geithner/Obama will cut a lady in half ...

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Is he nuts?

"Congressional officials say National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers is especially concerned that rapid deficit reduction could hurt the economy." (WSJ, 12 Nov. 2009)

Deficit reduction, accompanied by tax cuts on capital and its profit (capital gains and dividends), will only help the economy. And the dollar.

Which is why Bill Buckley said, "I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University."

xbjllb

"How about: To be moslem means to go exkrementally XKRE-mental!" - Ummahgringo


RE: Ummah's and Gingo's recent circle-jerk:

While the cat's away the mice play.

xbjllb

Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to leave M/M out of the Ummahgringomm circle jerk.

xbjllb

"Why do Americans seem more tempted by Islamophobia than Buddhistophobia?" -
Gringo

You asked it rhetorically in sarcasm, but I'll answer it in one word, and then a brief statement:

Zionazism.


By way of Zionazism shall you do war.

And YOU and your circle jerk cronies DO.

Ummahgummah

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Man, the Ovari sure is flying under the radar when his buddy the XKREMENT keeps excreting its offal all over our formerly fair blog.

I don't ask for much but it would indeed be darned nice if Monica took out the trash every now and then.. or allowed one of her staff to do so.. better yet.. call Joe the Plumber to give us much-needed riddance of this XKREMENT.

Call it a bloggospherema..

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Ummahgummah

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Until then: Yalla Ya Nasrallah.

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M/M

Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to leave M/M out of the Ummahgringomm circle jerk.

Posted by: xbjllb | November 12, 2009 at 12:23 AM

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Thank you XKREMENT. What an honor!

xbjllb

Sticks and stones, Kiddies; sticks and stones.

Once again proving the mental maturity age of God's own enemies of Peace here are no more than EIGHT YEARS OLD.

The wise reader would easily make a similar and quite accurate judgment about their fearful hateful and jihadist combative world view, their FINAL "solution" to the worlds' problems, and their warped immature belief systems; referring of course, to those who, at eight years of age, have any sort of belief system whatsoever other than what was spit out with vitriol by Mommy AND/OR Daddy when they'd had too much alcohol. Before or during the beatings.

Or their drunk Presidents, Veeps, and Secretaries of State.

Thanks to Warrior Princess to allow a voice of reason and sanity and Peace to speak the Truth on this blog.

Along with the sport. Like sitting ducks.

FK

I guess Monica forgot about the Virginia Tech massacre. You know, 32 people died at the hands of a South Korean.

The VT massacre and Ft Hood shooting are very similar. Both had disgruntled people who showed signs of problems before they did their act. However, one is a crime, the other is a 'jihad' war because one was religious.

Posted by: Dagwood | November 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM


Excellent point!

DJ

"The VT massacre and Ft Hood shooting are very similar. Both had disgruntled people who showed signs of problems before they did their act. However, one is a crime, the other is a 'jihad' war because one was religious." (--Dagwood)

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Whether you, Dagwood, know it or not, you are correct. One was a crime, the other was a premeditated act of terror committed by a KNOWN jihadist. No question about it. Thanks for reaffirming what we all already know.

BTW, lets never forget the Zebra murders. They were a group of black muslims [The Death Angels] within the Nation of Islam (NOI) that earned their membership by murdering white people.

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"The "Zebra" murders were a string of racially motivated black on white hate crimes that took place in San Francisco, California, from October 1973 to April 1974.

{snip}

The Zebra murders were the work of one unit of the Death Angels, a group within the Nation of Islam (NOI). According to the Nation of Islam's beliefs, the white race was created by a scientist named Yakub. Furthermore, the Death Angels believed that they could earn "points" towards Paradise when they died if they killed as many whites as possible. The NOI's teachings present whites not as human beings, but variously as "blue-eyed devils," "white devils," and "grafted snakes."

None of the Death Angel murderers outside of the city of San Francisco, representing the vast majority of the related killings state wide, were ever caught or convicted.

{snip}

Candidates would be invited to secret meetings at the Black Self-Help Moving and Storage owned by Nation of Islam and located on Market Street, San Francisco. To attain the status of Death Angel, each man was expected to kill either nine white men, five white women or four white children. After attaining this goal, a pair of black wings would be attached to his photograph and pinned up in an upstairs room of the Self-Help Moving building. Although killing and the spread of terror were their main goals, Death Angel candidates would often use machetes to torture victims over long periods, and most women were also the victims of rape." More...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders


gringoman

I don't ask for much but it would indeed be darned nice if Monica took out the trash every now and then.. or allowed one of her staff to do so.. better yet.. call Joe the Plumber to give us much-needed riddance of this XKREMENT.

Call it a bloggospherema..

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 12, 2009 at 01:13 AM

The problem is complicated by issues both of personal hygiene and the economy, to wit:

1. Monica, understandably, doesn't want to get her hands dirty, going near offal.

2. New York, both city and state, are clearly under budget restraints. This is affecting even the Sanitation Department and waste disposal.

Conclusion: Rot is confident it can hang around and contaminate without being hauled away. So where is Joe the Plumber? He'd know exactly what to do with a clogged toilet...

twitter.com/dagwood412

I'm sorry guys and gals. I have a life outside of Monica's blogs. So if I don't reply back to you quickly, it's not because I got 'chased away', it was because I was out enjoying life. :)

Anyways, my comment about the VT Massacre was simply comparing our uses of the word "terrorist". I believe both Hasan and the korean kid were terrorist. So, Monica was wrong to say that Hasan's act was the worst terrorism to occur since 2001. Just because Hasan's act was inspired by his religious views and emphathic support for the terrorist DOESN'T mean that the Korean kid's act were less.

For starters, lets look at foxnews article for today.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,574546,00.html
I know you guys love fox news. Hasan was an son of Pakistan immigrants. He still has family there. He could be sending money back to his family. 2nd, army doctors were already calling him psychotic before the attack. As more and more information comes through, you people (including Monica) will be held accountable for your comments. As a moderate (not a liebral), it is my vote that you are hunting for. And so far, you guys fail due to your ignorance and lack of respect.

DJ

Dagwood writes: "For starters, lets look at foxnews article for today.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,574546,00.html
I know you guys love fox news. Hasan was an son of Pakistan immigrants. He still has family there. He could be sending money back to his family..."

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Maybe your inability to fully understand the crucial difference between Hasan and the Korean is rooted in poor reading comprehension.

The article YOU linked to acually reads:

"Meanwhile, authorities say they're looking at whether Hasan was sending money to Pakistan --and if so, why. The Virginia-born soldier is the son of PALESTINIAN immigrants, was raised in the United States and has some relatives still living in the WEST BANK... (emphasis mine)"

xbjllb

"As a moderate (not a liebral), it is my vote that you are hunting for. And so far, you guys fail due to your ignorance and lack of respect." - Dagwood

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Hopefully, their own jihadi nutcase worldview would also come into play.

"Holy" war is for idiots. And profiteers who feed of their blood.

And no one else. Profiteers don't need cheerleaders.

Not if the human race is to survive.

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