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October 21, 2009

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gringoman

MONICA////"More recently, the White House applied similar intimidation tactics against the health insurance companies by trying to gag Humana Inc. for telling its Medicare clients truthfully that their coverage may change, cost more or be eliminated altogether under Obamacare. Team Obama is also threatening to pull insurers' antitrust exemption if they don't accept their own extinction under 'reform.'"

GRINGOMAN/////True, true. But aren't these insurance people mostly feckless Republicans or Blue Dogs? How can they even understand, let alone act upon, the Founding Fathers' "We must hang together or hang separately?" Commies are far better than King George ever was at manipulating the dumber masses against the "capitalists." Watch smoothie Professor Cool as he teleprompts the cattle.

Insurance executives? Heh. Compared to Jefferson, Adams, Madison et al?

Number-crunching philistines vs. highly-educated and manly visionaries?

Must I 'Heh' again?

It's all up to the people now, for better or worse. The commies are coming.

gringoman

Obamarx vs. Jefferson

"Constitution? What do they mean 'Constitution'? Now here's what I mean, y'all. We need to do some wealth re-distribution." OBAMARX


"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give it to those who will not."

Thomas Jefferson

gringoman

gringoNOTE: The so-called "post-racial" Obamanation (or certainly its shock troops) were going after Don Imus last year too. So the following is not---repeat---not really off-topic.....

M/M, I really thought you'd had it with imus...

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 20,
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I'm addicted to Bernard and some of Imus' really great fans (like Ree and Gringoman). If bores me or gets me angry, I'll just turn on Good Morning America. That was a GREAT segment on GMA the other day. I'm glad that Imus started stabbing Lou Dobbs in the back or I would have missed it.

Posted by: M/M | October 20, 2009 at 08:53 PM

GRINGOMAN////Imus is the most serious buffoon out there and, in a weird way, the manliest sissy-boy.

Is that enough? No,as Reverend Al Sleaze has proved. But it tells you something about the rest of the media.

Posted by: gringoman | October 20, 2009 at 09:44 PM


UMMAH////That's what I thought your take was on the feckless imus. LOL. More money than God and he allows himself to get punked by Fat Al.

Despicable and disgusting!

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 20, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I suspect that what spooked Imus was the fear that losing his air (his 'air', not his hair) meant losing everything---the ranch, his celebrity, his trophy wife etc. What would his big bank account matter if he lost everything else, with the prospect of nothing but nostalgia and senility? He paniced. That's why the "tough cowboy" groveled to a well-documented sleazy race racketeer.

ps. That said, he's still an amazing and unique interviewer, and many, many "names" are still more than willing to go on the air with him.

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The Euro traded at over $1.50 today, a new low for the dollar. The debt and erratic money supply are the problem.

For more:

"The debt and the dollar"

http://www.examiner.com/x-24933-Economic-Policy-Examiner~y2009m10d19-The-debt-and-the-dollar-week-42-in-review-2009

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Monica, good article.

You might have added that Anita Dunn said she admired Mao Tse-tung as one of her two favorite political philosophers. Mao was responsible for 70 million deaths.

So, "Where is the outcry against Anita Dunn?" --

Maoist in the White House: http://mises.org/story/3796

Dunn said her other favorite is Mother Theresa, "but no one is accusing me of being a saint!” (NYT)

Indeed.

gringoman

UMMAH////That's what I thought your take was on the feckless imus. LOL. More money than God and he allows himself to get punked by Fat Al.

Despicable and disgusting!

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 20, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I suspect that what spooked Imus was the fear that losing his air (his 'air', not his hair) meant losing everything---the ranch, his celebrity, his trophy wife etc. What would his big bank account matter if he lost everything else, with the prospect of nothing but nostalgia and senility? He paniced. That's why the "tough cowboy" groveled to a well-documented sleazy race racketeer.

ps. That said, he's still an amazing and unique interviewer, and many, many "names" are still more than willing to go on the air with him.

Posted by: gringoman | October 21, 2009 at 11:23 AM

To be fair to the much maligned I-Man (and he earns being maligned),
I must repeat and add to....

'ps. That said, he's still an amazing and unique interviewer, and many, many "names" are still more than willing to go on the air with him.'

You will notice that many of these "names," whether in entertainment, politics (assuming there's a difference), sports, books etc, most of whom have reputations to guard, will still go on air with Imus, knowing they will be "roughed up" and insulted in ways no other interviewer dares, and yet it seems to work, they often exit laughing, and are even eager to come back and be bitch-slapped all over again.

The I-Man still manages to pull it off, alternately sucking up to prestige guests, then instantly demeaning them as if they're somebody on the street corner, yet he often probes them with the kind of on-target questions you'd expect from the very top "serious" interviewers.

Looks like a rare talent to me. If others are doing that too, I'll listen. Just tell me who they are.

Ummahgummah

I see nothing wrong with our current process for EL Quada
POW's. After debriefing, and considering them "neutralized" as far as information is concerned, they are being released in Saudi Arabia. After a period of which the Saudis determine what to do with them.

If we happen to follow them after release, consider them dangerous, then they are then physically neutralized by privateers. This is a practical way to handle them.
POSTED BY: TRUTHER | OCTOBER 21, 2009 AT 05:33 AM

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I highly doubt the Bama Lama is going to order hits on AQ terrorists on foreign soil. Though I like the idea. Some of the recently released uighurs have arrived on Bermuda and it seems the like it there.

Where's my free ticket?

Ergo the Bama likes terrorists better than normal citizens. But then we knew that already.

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Ummahgummah

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"man" conspired to blow up American malls:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mass_man_accused_politicians_conspiring_7VpBj4pQsrVUkAIZVqUSRO

No mention at all of islam and jihad.. why not call him a "non-woman" to make him sound even more innocuous?

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xbjllb

Only one question.... WHOSE photo is that on your column!?!?!?!??!?!???!?!?

As far as Obama coming after dissent, well, sure... that's what the CIA always does.

Doesn't matter if it's left leaning CIA, or right.

It IS good to finally see FOX "News" exposed for the propaganda rag it's always been though, I have to admit.

Thanks to Fox, we finally know what TV "News" would have been like in Nazi Germany under Goebbels. If only it could have been in Cuba, or the USSR, or North Korea instead of right here in the good ole USA.

At least you can give them credit for not changing their spots and not going which way the wind blows. Of course, it IS while they'll soon be bankrupt.

Ummahgummah

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The XKREMENT is a complete lunatic. FoxNews is the only new outlet that deals with things the others refuse to take on.

Far from perfect, they are a much-needed antidote to the "gleichgeschaltete" 'mainstream' of american "journalism".

The attacks on them by LIEberal Xkrements of all kinds attest to why the are so needed in this landscape of Bama-worship.

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Dgscol

Most people can take a story slanted one way, and slant it the other way. What I look for is penetration - a better glimpse into the political reality of the day that informs, that tells me what politicians are doing and thinking. Every once in a while - it pops out from the Left and the Right, but more often the press seems uncomfortable with breaking a story that might be taken to be controversial, and we are left with innocuous dog turd throwing across the political divide.

It is often interesting to hear why stories are not aired. I learn a lot from what is missing in the news, when the press is informed about something but not reporting it.
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Anyone with nonsecured stock in GM when it was going into receivership, must've been Chinese.

xbjllb

"FoxNews is the only new outlet that deals with things the others refuse to take on." - Ummah

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Oh, sure. Call me when they run the truth about Obama's birthplace.

Until then, they're below useless. And dangerous, because they focus on all the issues they can't win when they could knock him out of office with one story.

Dgscol

There are many cases, but the derivatives swap issue, was knowable by the press, but it did not report it until now. Greenspan, Rubin, Summers, etc, wanted to submerge the story about problems with derivatives because it created a negative movement against the securities, while this poor lady Brooks Born was slammed, when she aired her concern about a totally unregulated 27 trillion dollar part of the private market involving credit default swaps.

There was a time this story might've been reported when it was still relevant. Why wasn't it? It is still unreported that much of these loans were linked to bad foreign investment. We still do not know who crossed up the banks on both sides of the Atlantic.
Who is investigating? Huffington?

Phil Wedeen

The commies are coming.


Posted by: gringoman | October 21, 2009 at 10:31 AM

You rang?

Phil Wedeen

The I-Man still manages to pull it off, alternately sucking up to prestige guests, then instantly demeaning them as if they're somebody on the street corner--GRINGOMAN


Gringoman, if you see somebody on the street corner do your demean thang.
I say, pull it off, man!

Phil Wedeen

The commies are coming.


Posted by: gringoman | October 21, 2009 at 10:31 AM

If you ride around on horseback shouting this..you could become famous; meaning some will have heard of you but few among these will know why. But those who do remember you- and remember why they do remember you- will revere you!
But some with the inside skinny will just hear Gringoman subliminally channelling South Park because he fell asleep with the television switched on.

Phil Wedeen

Some of the recently released have arrived on Bermuda and it seems the like it there.

Where's my free ticket? UMMAH GUMMAH

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 21, 2009 at 03:00 PM

Tonite is uighurs nite at the Hog Penny, Front Street, Hamilton. No cover if you arrive in a burqa and free suds before four... and UG can't swing a ticket out of JFK!
The Elbow Beach Club is doubling as a training facility. There is YouTube footage of armed uighurs crawling under a row of bar stools
The local middle school has a stage production of Romeo & Mineret.
It's a triangle. You go down there, meet a uighur and just disappear.
I mean, UG, aren't you just scared?!

DJ

As Dick Morris and Eileen McGann point out: the reality avoiding Hillary aka 'Rodhamus K Bottomus' isn't any more sagacious than the "We are the World" Bamster.

IRAN CONS HILLARY

by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
Wednesday, October 21, 2009

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has fallen for Iran's line that it is not developing nuclear weapons, but only wants the ability to develop one to achieve its place in the sun among the great nations of the earth.

In an interview on a Sunday show and in a leak in The New York Times that seems to have come from her (since it uses the same language), she notes that "there's a small space for doubt (about Iran's intention to build a bomb) because there are some contrary indicators. There is no doubt in my mind that they want nuclear energy and nuclear power, which they are entitled to, to be able to use it for peaceful purposes. The real problem is once you do that and you get what's called a breakout capacity, it's not long before you could do the other (build a bomb). So that's why this is so important to address now."

Pressed to comment on a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that it was clear that Iran was headed toward building a bomb, Hillary demurred.

"Well, they ... we ... we are doing this (pushing for sanctions) because we think they're heading there. But whether they want to get what's called the breakout capacity and stop, knowing that they could then move forward, that's where the question comes."

Wow. The same theme--that Iran just wants to be able to make a bomb, not to actually make one--was annunciated in a New York Times story that likely had its origins in Hillary's newfound doubts.

Why would Iran want to develop highly enriched uranium if not to make a bomb? And why would it enrich uranium in the first place if it did not want to enrich it enough to build a weapon? Why would it spend billions and incur all manner of international obloquy and sanctions just to get bragging rights and be able to say that it could build a bomb?

Does the nation with the world's second-largest reserves of oil really need nuclear power to turn on its lights? Or is Iran so green that it can't stand to contribute to global climate change?

That our secretary of state is naive and inexperienced enough to fall for this line is incredible. That she might have been president is worse. And that the real president may be falling for it, too, is beyond worse.

Ever since the Cold War started, it has been an article of faith that, in assessing enemy power, we measure his capacity and not his intentions. Intentions can change in the blink of an eye. Capacity endures forever.

Iran has a huge incentive to try to fool the world for just a few more months. Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton warns that it has purchased from Russia--and already paid for--a highly advanced anti-aircraft missile system that would be exceedingly effective against every bomber except for stealth aircraft, of which Israel has none.

Has it been delivered? Is it installed? Are the Iranians trained to use it? Nobody knows. But Bolton is clear that once it is operational, as he puts it, "the military option is out."

So Iran's game is obviously to stall Israeli action by deceiving the world into believing that it merely wants the capacity to go nuclear--"breakout" capability--rather than to build an actual bomb.

Iran even proffers a willingness to lend its stock of somewhat enriched uranium to other nations--presumably its buddy Russia--for further enrichment. (Presumably, the Russians would not enrich it all the way to the point where it could be weaponized).

Why does Iran want enriched fuel? They say it is to power a medical research facility. The West hopes that if Iran lent out its supply of slightly enriched uranium, it would not have enough in situ to enrich the amount it would need for a bomb. But, obviously, once it gets the uranium back, it can do with it as it pleases. If it agrees to inspection, it can always kick the inspectors out.

While Iran is negotiating "in good faith," there would be hell to pay if Israel attacked "prematurely." So, by enticing the world with this complex scheme, all the while enriching God-knows how much uranium in secret, Iran hopes to prolong the negotiations until it has the air defense system. Then, the military option--which is Iran's sole motivation for even participating in these talks--will be closed and Israel will not be able to attack.

The Times story drew a parallel between Iran and North Korea, which wanted the bomb so as to achieve first rank among nations and to get bargaining chits it can give away for food, fuel, recognition, legitimacy and aid.

But there's a key difference: North Korea doesn't have an enemy it has sworn to wipe off the face of the Earth. Iran does. While tensions between South Korea and the North have risen and fallen over the decades since the Korean War, it is clear that the North does not want to destroy the South and kill all of its people. It wants to conquer if it could and dominate if it can't, but not to exterminate. They are all Koreans after all.

But Iran makes no bones about its determination to destroy Israel and kill all of its Jews. Not since Hitler's "Mein Kampf" has there been a clearer declaration of intent to find a "final solution" to the "Jewish problem."

That Hillary Clinton would allow herself to be conned into believing that Iran doesn't really, really, really want to build--much less use--a big bad bomb would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous."

gringoman


Paul B. Farrell

Oct. 20, 2009, 1:38 p.m. EDT

Death of 'Soul of Capitalism:' Bogle, Faber, Moore
20 reasons America has lost its soul and collapse is inevitable

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- Jack Bogle published "The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism" four years ago. The battle's over. The sequel should be titled: "Capitalism Died a Lost Soul." Worse, we've lost "America's Soul." And worldwide the consequences will be catastrophic.

That's why a man like Hong Kong's contrarian economist Marc Faber warns in his Doom, Boom & Gloom Report: "The future will be a total disaster, with a collapse of our capitalistic system as we know it today."
Insuring against economic calamity

Gold ETFs are so popular they now hold more of the shiny stuff than most central banks. What will it take to sustain the funds' big gains? Barron's Clare McKeen reports.

No, not just another meltdown, another bear market recession like the one recently triggered by Wall Street's "too-greedy-to-fail" banks. Faber is warning that the entire system of capitalism will collapse. Get it? The engine driving the great "American Economic Empire" for 233 years will collapse, a total disaster, a destiny we created.

OK, deny it. But I'll bet you have a nagging feeling maybe he's right, the end may be near. I have for a long time: I wrote a column back in 1997: "Battling for the Soul of Wall Street." My interest in "The Soul" -- what Jung called the "collective unconscious" -- dates back to my Ph.D. dissertation: "Modern Man in Search of His Soul," a title borrowed from Jung's 1933 book, "Modern Man in Search of a Soul." This battle has been on my mind since my days at Morgan Stanley 30 years ago, witnessing the decline.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/story/print?guid=47729BA0-933E-4299-92CC-EB41EEE671D2

gringoman

OBAMARXLINGS vs. AMERICA

Morning Bell: Rules for a Radical White House

* Posted October 21st, 2009 at 9.26am in First Principles.

Politico’s Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei report today:

President Obama is working systematically to marginalize the most powerful forces behind the Republican Party, setting loose top White House officials to undermine conservatives in the media, business and lobbying worlds.

With a series of private meetings and public taunts, the White House has targeted the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the biggest-spending pro-business lobbying group in the country; Rush Limbaugh, the country’s most-listened-to conservative commentator; and now, with a new volley of combative rhetoric in recent days, the insurance industry, Wall Street executives and Fox News.

Obama aides are using their powerful White House platform, combined with techniques honed in the 2008 campaign, to cast some of the most powerful adversaries as out of the mainstream and their criticism as unworthy of serious discussion.

We are in no way the first to point this out, but THIS OBAMA ADMINISTRATION STRATEGY IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE PAGES OF CHICAGO COMMUNITY ORGANIZER SAUL ALINKSY'S BOOK 'RULES FOR RADICALS'. It identifies thirteen rules for progressive activists including, “The thirteenth rule: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Explaining just how far progressives must be willing to go to marginalize their “enemies” Alinsky explains a few pages later:

Many liberals during our attack on the then-school superintendent, were pointing out that after all he wasn’t a 100 percent devil, he was a regular churchgoer, he was a good family man, and he was generous in his contributions to charity. Can you imagine in the arena of conflict charging that so-and-so is a racist bastard but then diluting the impact of the attack with qualifying remarks such as, “He is a good churchgoing man, generous to charity and a good husband”? This becomes political idiocy.

And then in his final chapter, Alinsky reveals what progressives really think of the average American: “Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized, and corrupt. They are right.”

Contempt for average Americans, and the desire to marginalize their common sense questions, is both at the core of the Progessive vision for governance and completely antithetical to the values of our Founding Fathers. Thomas G. West, author of The Progressive Revolution in Politics and Political Science, explains:

The Founders thought that laws should be made by a body of elected officials with roots in local communities. They should not be “experts,” but they should have “most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society” (Madison). The wisdom in question was the kind on display in The Federalist, which relentlessly dissected the political errors of the previous decade in terms accessible to any person of intelligence and common sense.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/21/morning-bell-rules-for-a-radical-white-house/

Phil Wedeen

Michael:

The ideological right bandies twentieth century Hemoclysm in a rather offhand way. The further one is ideologically from the despot the greater the mortality attributable to depotic policies and actions.
It becomes little more than a idelogical spatial barometer.

I actually prefer the standard of care the rightwing uses to derive a census of culpability. Put a policy in place and be subject to strict liability for resulting harm.
Therein lies the raison d'etre for not limiting the scope of proximate causation. The standard of care of death directly or indirectly attributable to political leaders is not uniform and this fact is camoflaged by use of statistics.

Simply put Mao killed many outright but his agrarian policies resulted in famines which killed many more.
Likewise in an unjust invasion there are those killed outright and many, many more who would otherwise be alive but for the policy which created the conflict.

Because the standard of care isn't equally applied implies a justification for negligent death resulting from political policy. Thus Johnson and Nixon escape recrimination only because the same standard used to excoriate Mao is not being applied to them. The unthinking become confused because their policies resulted in the deaths of some three millions while Mao is blamed, in this case, for 70 million dead.

The trick being employed is the use of proximate causation. Where is the chain of harm resulting from negligence cut off?
The answer is always one of public policy. FedEx did not deliver the part on time to fix the machine. The machine could not produce the goods in time to ship the order because the part arrived late. The item did not get to the store in time for the sale... so who is liable?
Depending where one cuts proximate causation accounts for the various numbers of death attributable to Mao.. between 40 and 70 million.
When it comes to US policy however proximate causation pretends not to exist.

Cheers.

gringoman

Some of the recently released have arrived on Bermuda and it seems the like it there.

Where's my free ticket? UMMAH GUMMAH

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 21, 2009 at 03:00 PM

Tonite is uighurs nite at the Hog Penny, Front Street, Hamilton. No cover if you arrive in a burqa and free suds before four... and UG can't swing a ticket out of JFK!
The Elbow Beach Club is doubling as a training facility. There is YouTube footage of armed uighurs crawling under a row of bar stools
The local middle school has a stage production of Romeo & Mineret.
It's a triangle. You go down there, meet a uighur and just disappear.
I mean, UG, aren't you just scared?!

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | October 21, 2009 at 05:26 PM

Ummah,

Do you detect the progressive pining for the "socialist sunshine" down in Castrolandia, on a Commandante-approved bicycle-built-for-two-Pee Uighurs?

El Maximo doesn't lock them up anymore, does he---since comrades in El Norte "educated" him?

Phil Wedeen

SAUL ALINKSY'S BOOK 'RULES FOR RADICALS'. It identifies thirteen rules for progressive activists including, “The thirteenth rule: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Explaining just how far progressives must be willing to go to marginalize their “enemies” Alinsky explains a few pages later---GRINGOMAN

Gringoman has oft cited the Alinsky work here on Monicamemo which leaves me wondering if he found room on his coffee table (or on the floor with Doestoevsky)
for the Alinsky book.
Not having read "Rules For Radicals" I can only assume that Mr Alinsky is not an anarchist. If he were the book would simply be entitled, "For Radicals"

There is something Harry Potter-ish with the Gringocitation: A book with such powerful incantations.. A rule, a paragraph, and the whole nation is moved!
Gringoman might find Alinsky's strictures helpful in losing weight or learning spanish. The book has been descibed in magical terms and in biblical proportions.

Phil Wedeen

Do you detect the progressive pining for the "socialist sunshine" down in Castrolandia GRINGOMAN

With the weather turning colder and the first snow flurries arrived-- the sunshine, socialist or otherwise, is a welcoming thought.
I was toying with going to the Dominican and Cuba..

gringoman

TROUBLE IN OBAMASTAN?

RASMUSSEN: “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13. That’s just a point above the lowest level ever recorded for this President. It’s also the sixth straight day in negative double digits, matching the longest such streak.”

Plus this: “Just 31% of voters believe that Congress has a good understanding of the health care proposal.” That many?

gringoman

Gringoman, I think our postModern friend lives in the 50s. I know that sounds contradictory, but postModernism was invented as a marketing tool by the Left seeking to use the Aesthetic and Power of Modernism for opposite ends.

MA seems to long for a Ward Cleaver, Leave it to Beaver world where Lassie brings him the paper each morning while Flipper makes his rounds in the bay behind the pool..

Not that that's such a bad thing, but it's completgely unrealistic when you are dealing with a President who urges his followers to bring "guns if the opposition brings knives", while at the same time stigmatizing that very oppostion as "angry clingers" who refuse to give up their guns and their Bibles.

Blue-eyed naivete when dealing with ruthless enemies will get us all killed.

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 20, 2009 at 07:45 PM

Ummah.

You seem to have a clue. Easy to imagine that when MA was away in the Middle East, and learning how peaceful Islam is, he got word from home: Lassie died, of natural causes.
Nobody had the heart to tell him exactly what the "natural cause" was: NFL quarterback Michael Vick.

M/M

This is TOO funny. Forward to the part where the airhead MSNBC hack introduces her guest.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33417617#33417617

gringoman

DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL The Hebrew Hammer (a real attorney. Not a cyberstalker.)


October 21, 2009, - 8:32 pm
Terrif: Homegrown Muslim Terrorist Taught Kids @ Muslim School

By Debbie Schlussel

This isn’t a shocker. We know Muslim kids are taught at their private schools and mosques (and at home) to hate America, Jews, Christians, the West, etc. That’s been documented ad nauseam. And so, it’s no surprise that Islamic terrorist Tarek Mehanna of Sudbury, Massachusetts taught kids at one such Islamic school.

And, of course, “everyone loved him,” “he was such a nice guy,” blah, blah, blah. Big deal.

tarekmehannaislamiccrescent

The Massachusetts man charged with conspiring in a terror plot has been a middle school math and religion teacher at a Muslim school in Worcester.

Colleagues at the Alhuda Academy say they cannot believe the allegations against Tarek Mehanna, who was arrested Wednesday and charged in conspiring to support terrorism. They say he was a sweet guy and loved by his students.

Yeah, so sweet that he enjoyed watching videos of American soldiers being mutilated to death.

But prosecutors say Mehanna and his associates sought training at terrorist camps and discussed plans to target U.S. troops in Iraq and two politicians and to randomly shoot shoppers at U.S. malls.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/10774/terrif-homegrown-muslim-terrorist-taught-kids-muslim-school/

Dgscol

What I like about Monica is the repartee between herself and Colmes.

Alan : I think the alleged terrorists should be tried in a US court.

Monica : There you go again. That is just my sister talking through you Alan. Didn't you know she hit her head falling out of when she was a baby?

gringoman

The trick being employed is the use of proximate causation. Where is the chain of harm resulting from negligence cut off?
The answer is always one of public policy. FedEx did not deliver the part on time to fix the machine. The machine could not produce the goods in time to ship the order because the part arrived late. The item did not get to the store in time for the sale... so who is liable?
Depending where one cuts proximate causation accounts for the various numbers of death attributable to Mao.. between 40 and 70 million.
When it comes to US policy however proximate causation pretends not to exist.

Cheers.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | October 21, 2009 at 08:49 PM

Ummah,

See? There is a plus side in having proglydytes let loose with their own gobbledeygook. (You recall the original Slimebert, GW Washington.) And to spare everyone, I'm re-posting only a part of this "educated" gobble. Don't you pity its object, MA, who will have to wade through it out of courtesy to a "savant"? Or do you think MA will find a way to let PeeWee know, (gently, of course) how indecipherable he was?

gringoman

(from Vietnam Legacy Project)

The Saigon Post, Dec. 25, 1970

SAIGON NOTES

by
Daniel Cameron

Talking Grunt Blues

(Time: About a year ago during a lull in Red offensive. Place: A Special Forces camp, full of shrapnel holes,Central Highlands, near the Cambodian border. The young gunners of Charley Battery were a separate unit from SF, and sometimes at odds with them. They pointed out, for example, that SF could stay inside its bunkers during rocket and mortar attacks. Charley Battery had to be out in the open, manning the guns, returning fire.) *

The medic wears Montagnard bracelets. "The 'Yards say if you remove your bracelets you may remove your luck."
*
Hot dinners were flown in. "Not so hot, but better than we expected."

*
"We used to have fun with the Montagnard kids. Then the little girl took shrapnel in the stomach one day. The kids are all evacuated now."
*
The pregnant Vietnamese woman in white pajamas follows her soldier mate down into their bunker near the barbed wire.
*
The old Montagnard 'Pop' wears jungle fatigues and enjoys his pipe. He points at the tobacco and smiles intelligently.

"Tabac Ban Me Thuot. C'est bien."
*
Young gunner, Charley Battery: "Captain Coleman, our XO, came out with our paychecks one afternoon when he had two weeks left in-country. He said he wouldn't ever do a crazy thing like that again. We took a mortar attack that same afternoon. The Captain died in my lap, right over there."
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Colonel Sam, who used to teach literature at Saigon University, now commands the Vietnamese Rangers. He is paunchy and polite, but tough. A Vietcong rocket once tore into his home where his wife and seven children lived.

"But I already build bunker for them. I teach them what to do. Rocket no harm them."

Contd. http://www.gringoman.com

Phil Wedeen

The medic wears Montagnard bracelets. "The 'Yards say if you remove your bracelets you may remove your luck." Daniel Cameron via GRINGOMAN

They also say that removing your knickers may improve your luck.
Presumably not with the tail gunners of Company C. At least not quite like Colonel Sam, or,
as Captain Coleman confessed, "he wouldn't do a crazy thing like that again."
One could fall over dead from the exhaustion.
That may just explain the lull in the Red offensive. Just watch them diddle while Rome burns.

Too bad. There should have been one, two, many Vietnams.. as the great one has repeated after victory in the Sierra.
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I've just got to return to the exposee on the propagandist Saigon Post. Strange, the the two Vietnamese fronts "owners" were the only two journalists not sent for re-education after the liberation.
The paper hosted an all expenses paid junket for Asian journalists to visit Saigon for a 'conference' right smack dab when the young Cameron was writing baubles on pulchritude . The conference exhorted the asian journalists from Korea, Malaysia, Philippines to start writing favorably about the war.
Where did the Saigon Post get the money to fly and billet some eighty journalists..and why no word in the paper about the conference itself, not even from young Dan?
Turns out that the JUSPAO masters were duped by double agents who watched the Saigon expats baccanalia with bemusement while just biding their time. The young Cameron pecked at his Olivetti while visions of a young Hemingway danced in his head.

Never had a clue.. and they still don't.

Dgscol

Summers and Rubin had all the time in the world to fix records at banks -- and have control from the White House directly to the banks. Is there a coverup?

Some suspect a delay here to allow adjustments to prevent investigations from uncovering a process carried out by the majors at the banks. Were the derivatives intentionally left unregulated to coverup bad debt, as part of a risky venture to expand global funding through the banks?

One person told me, "Clearly there has been secrecy
in the White House about the banks. WE hope, at least, that whatever they are covering up, is no longer going on."

Dgscol

How do people actually think? Are media people actually political? People had meant by this that news presentation depended on the politial persuasion - no bad thing reported about a democrat by a loyal
democrat, for example. If this sort of bias were present, then we would still get investigations pointed at the opposing party. We do not get this. Are there people who would coverup a nationally important story because of party affiliation? Wouldn't that be unethical?

Our nation depends on the "Press", as an organ of the government - to provide checks and balances.
To examine, and publish their findings. Is it not really possible to make money doing this? The public
would surely be attracted to actual information, right? Are their legalities that prevent the repesentation of actual news, generated by observers and researchers?

What can people do to help "The Press" do its job properly? It seems that politicans are straying
from a proper process because there is no pressure to keep them on the up and up.

Ummahgummah

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Gringoman, the Lassie Michael Vick thing still has me in stitches! Too bad our "comediens" are so unable to make these kinds of extrapolations. Too brainwashed by their leftard profs they are..

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Ummahgummah

See? There is a plus side in having proglydytes let loose with their own gobbledeygook. (You recall the original Slimebert, GW Washington.) And to spare everyone, I'm re-posting only a part of this "educated" gobble. Don't you pity its object, MA, who will have to wade through it out of courtesy to a "savant"? Or do you think MA will find a way to let PeeWee know, (gently, of course) how indecipherable he was?

POSTED BY: GRINGOMAN | OCTOBER 21, 2009 AT 10:28 PM

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Actually I tend to think of the XKREMENT as the GW reincarnation, complete with its faux statistics and posing as anti-Lama-Bama while supporting each and every one of his policies.

On the other hand the Pill head Weirdeen did admit to stalking you from your own blogsite onto Monicamemo, wich I think it has in common with pACOERNbert.

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M/M

You seem to have a clue. Easy to imagine that when MA was away in the Middle East, and learning how peaceful Islam is, he got word from home: Lassie died, of natural causes.
Nobody had the heart to tell him exactly what the "natural cause" was: NFL quarterback Michael Vick.
Posted by: gringoman | October 21, 2009 at 09:47 PM
This was REALLY FUNNY.

I think a lot of people who listen to talk radio long for simpler times. John Gibson was interviewing Buchanan yesterday and Buchanan was talking about how people are also concerned with the destruction of the American culture. In the old days, people had more in common because they watched the same programs, values and current events. By sharing experiences, even the bad times (WW II and the Great Depresssion), America became “a melting pot”.

Gibson said that “diversity is supposed to make us stronger”. Buchanan said that if you look at diverse populations throughout the world, they are often at war with each other because they don’t share common values.

I know that people there are people who see diversity as exciting and crave change, but it can also create chaos. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to turn on a show like Lassie again instead of the constant coverage of Paris Hilton, Jon & Kate, Anna Nicole Smith and the other dysfunctional, multicultural characters that the media keeps producing?


xbjllb

" supporting each and every one of his policies." - Ummah

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There you go again. More lying. On the MOST important issue, the Mideast debacle, I've been against Obama From Day One. Rabidly, virulently, and most rightly.

Obama is continuing the debacle in the Mideast; I've been for getting completely out From Day One and would have done so already.

There is, and would be, no blood on MY hands. On his and yours?

We already know the answer.

DJ

"Buchanan said that if you look at diverse populations throughout the world, they are often at war with each other because they don’t share common values." (--from M/M's comment)

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Indeed. Never in the history of mankind has a multicultural country survived very long. The USA is FOOLISHLY diving headlong into a multicultural/multiracial experiment which will sooner rather than later rip us apart. Look at the violent conflict between blacks and Mestizos in Southern California for instance. The demographics are changing so rapidly, I doubt the USA will be recognizable in 30 years.

A merger with Canada, Mexico, and the USA is already in the works i.e., "The North American Union" (NAU) = no more borders separating us and no common language or culture. The borders will be erased therefore anyone will be able to move anywhere they'd like within the NAU. Combine that with millions per year that immigrate from the rest of the world and the transformation of the once majority white USA to a 80% non-white is disconcerting to say the least. The NAU will be both majority non-white and socialist.

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Ed Rubenstien speaks at the NPC about the cost of immigration and the NAU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJaMvdviucE

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Census Bureau Estimates Nearly Half
of Children Under Age 5 are Minorities
Estimates find nation’s population growing older, more diverse:

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/013733.html

gringoman

Never had a clue.. and they still don't.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | October 22, 2009 at 12:56 AM

For a real attorney, see Debbie Schlussel. Guess what Debbie does with a slandering commie cyberstalker (when any is brave enough to go there)?

xbjllb

We need a wall, DJ, and we needed it years ago.

The sole problem with Latino Hispanic immigration is that it never ends, and the folks here therefore don't HAVE to assimilate, they just change the culture.

Every wave of immigration in this country's past had an ending point. This one must also.

We need a wall so we can stop it, not forever, but periodically open it ONLY as the prior wave becomes completely assimilated. Once every ten years or so, with preference given to those legal applications FIRST.

And we need to get rid of bilingual education and bilingual public works. And I'd go so far as to limit Spanish-speaking radio and TV as well to ONE outlet in each major and minor market. And to none on the border where Mexican stations do the job.

Furthermore, all the money pissed away in the Mideast to Haliburton and Dick Cheney et al could have built one helluva wall.

And far fewer troops would have died manning it, than dying over there for Haliburton, oil and the illegal drug trade in Afghanistan poppy fields.

Is this Christian, I hear the cacklers ask? Of course. America does Hispanic immigrants no good if it becomes exactly like the places they left.

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Phil,

Please see my response under Monica's post today (22 Oct.)

Cheers,

Ummahgummah

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Avari.. if you're going to start entertaining all the creeps on this board once again things can get very unpleasant in a *(&%$)(%&%$%#Z@ HURRY!

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DJ

"Every wave of immigration in this country's past had an ending point. This one must also.

We need a wall so we can stop it, not forever, but periodically open it ONLY as the prior wave becomes completely assimilated. Once every ten years or so, with preference given to those legal applications FIRST."


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xbjllb et al.,

It's too late to build a wall; the Government NEVER intended to build a wall anyway. The "treason lobby" has a solution to end illegal immigration from Mexico: it's "The North American Union" (NAU) and it has been in the works for decades. Here's how it will happen: First, Bush and Clinton over their 16 years in office ALLOWED an estimated 12 to 25 million Mexicans to INVADE our country. Second, Obama will sign an amnesty bill granting them a path to citizenship.. then comes the chain migration bumping those numbers up to an estimated 65 million new Mexican immigrants.

The Mexicans will then become SO dispersed and intertwined in the U.S. that it will impossible to uproot them; therefore, it will be an easy step to implement the NAU.. thus incorporating ALL the Mexicans -- both here and in Mexico -- into one larger entity; hence, an end to illegal immigration by Mexicans.

Jerome Corsi on the NAU:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965#

xbjllb

DJ, I think you're absolutely right, but that's no reason to keep fighting for a much-needed wall with as much logic as we can muster.

Thanks!

xbjllb

"Avari.. if you're going to start entertaining all the creeps on this board once again things can get very unpleasant in a *(&%$)(%&%$%#Z@ HURRY!" - Ummah

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Ever the Zionist bully... how ugly, small, and mean of you, Dearest.

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