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August 19, 2009

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Ree

Monica

You were great on Imus.

http://www.imus.com/article/monica_crowley_august_18__2009.guest.html

gringoman

While Monica is using a single hand for O'Reilly and Colmes, she could keep the other one in reserve for a Palin segment. With the "Death Panel" remark, Tina Fey's "unsophisticated" meal ticket apparently not only shocked many Republicans, but beat back the mighty Obama White House into nervous and loud disclaimers.

So what is it with the media-mauled "Caribou Barbie" who was supposed to vanish after resigning her Governorship so that dismissive eliteniks could find something else to talk about?

Here is an INTERNET take for Monica, BOR and brother-in-law to beat each other with. It contends that Palin is washed up politically. Why? Because young women, you see, love "The Cool Professor" and don't like "ANNIE GET YOUR GUN," (even in the remote chance that they know the heroine of Irving Berlin's Broadway musical.)

////////whiskey:

If you look at Sarah Palin, for example, her defenestration, and high negative poll numbers, are the result of younger women despising her.

Older women (plus 55) generally approve of Palin, as do men. It’s younger women who find her a negative figure, and it has to do with her personal life:

*Did not attend an Ivy league school.
*Did not marry a “big shot” like Bill Clinton or other “Alpha Male”1
*Did not have one designer eugenics yuppie baby at age 37.
*Did not abort her Down’s syndrome baby (this is the big one)
*Does not talk like an upper class person (they hate her accent)
*Is not liked by ‘important people’ like Tina Fey, P-Diddy, etc.

1. Women’s view of an Alpha male is not a man’s view. Women view Alpha males as the most socially dominant guys, like say Gavin Newsome, or Tony Villaraigosa, or Barack Obama, or Simon Cowell. Men view Alpha male as a combination of patronage networks and toughness. Todd Palin certainly qualifies for men as a tough hombre, and compares favorably to male favorite Brett Favre, the Iron Man of the NFL (consecutive start streak). Women just don’t see it that way.

DJ

--- "Please tune in and watch me deal with O'Reilly and Colmes singlehandedly."

This always strikes me as 'good news bad news'. The good news is Warrior Princess is appearing on the Factor. The bad news is the annoying Colmes is tagging along.

Monica, could you please lose that guy?

gringoman


More Factor Fodder....?

UK TELEGRAPH//////August 17th, 2009 19:22
President Pantywaist in retreat: Barack Obama hoists the white flag over Stalinist health care proposals

The white flag is flying over Camp Obama, which makes a pleasant change from the red flag that, metaphorically speaking, has been flying there since January 20. Barack Obama’s plan for socialised health care on the Stalinist model across the United States is now in full retreat. Not only will it not play in Peoria, it will not play anywhere.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/geraldwarner/


gringoNOTE: I beg, not to differ with Gerald Warner; just to nuance with him. Yes, the Obamatrons are in retreat. No, it is not surrender. "Progressives" never give up the idea of Geeky Wonk Utopia, not to mention power and control. (See Dostoyevsky's THE POSSESSED, 1872. Okay, Google the blurbs.)


xbjllb

""Progressives" never give up the idea of Geeky Wonk Utopia, not to mention power and control."

---

As "conservatives" never give up the chance to bend over, pull down their pants, and expose their lubed rear end to ANY poisonous big business interest like Big Insurance who'll slip them "the big one" as long as they leave the cash on the dresser like all good johns, before the funtime.

Dgscol

If Novak had been better born, perhaps he could have been the head of the FBI. Monica was gracious toward him, many were not that kind to the dark prince. God vibes to the world.

But, One must question some of the proclaimations made about her boyfriend as suspicious and parabolical. Poor Imus, unwell, but desiring to partake in the life of the living. Give that man some ranch dressing.

gringoman

Cyber9.11: "Monica, Pssst! Guess who really took down the Twin Towers? But you don't really want to know, do you. Oh, Princess. These rightwingnuts...."

The cost of doing monicamemo? Or just a public service for needy paranoid aggressive who leeches onto enabler?

gringoman

Monica may see this "Cool Professor" as just an incompetent, but a lifelong liberal and civil libertarian is scared......


I am finally scared of a White House administration
By Nat Hentoff


http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) — as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill — decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law.

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/hentoff081909.php3


Phil Wedeen

Xbjllb may remember one of the infamous "debates" between McCain and Obama in which Obama stated that he believed Healthcare to be a fundamental right whereas McCain thought it a privilege.

Absent a single-payer system or a public option how can any reform package be consistent with healthcare being a fundamental right?
That the administration is back-peddling on a fundamental right shows the limits of liberalism.
Whereas the Democratic party is the second most powerful capitalist party in the world, its proposed reforms can only go as far as capital interests will allow. Thus when Obama tells a town hall that the employer based health care insurance system cannot be overturned because it is the bedrock of the american system, he is really saying that insurance interests are paramount and trump a broken system which has grown too expensive even for the middle-class.

In this way Obama is a better friend to capital interests than the Right in that he will delay the inevitable collapse of the healthcare system through palliative measures while McCain and the free-market would insure that most americans are not..

Phil Wedeen

"Monica, Pssst! Guess who really took down the Twin Towers? But you don't really want to know, do you. Oh, Princess. These rightwingnuts...."

Posted by: gringoman | August 19, 2009 at 05:28 PM


B-B-B-B-BUSH knocked down the towers.
(Now, you know...majesty)

gringoman

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer

Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

gringoman

PRESIDENT PANTYWAIST THE COOL

GERALD WARNER//////But not Obama. He brings to the White House the abilities and experience of a Chicago community organiser. As Sarah Palin witheringly said: “I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organiser’ except that you have actual responsibilities.”

President Pantywaist has been found out and it will get worse. The one glimmer of realism he displayed was when he recently told an audience in Montana that, with regard to health care, he was “not in favour of the British system”. Perhaps he had just seen the latest figures from the Office of National Statistics revealing that more than 30,000 people have died in England and Wales from hospital infections in just five years. Translated proportionately into American demographics, that would be 150,000 fatalities. Not the best advertisement for socialised health care.

Phil Wedeen


The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer

Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

Posted by: gringoman | August 19, 2009 at 06:13 PM

Gratzner broke the Hippocratic Oath of first doing no harm when he single handedly derailed Giuliani's chances for the Presidential nomination by handing him false statistics on cancer outcomes which Giuliani repeated on the hustings and which came back to haunt him.
Come to find out that David Gratzner, MD is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute. The Manhattan Institute is a notorious source of right-wing propaganda on social policy issues.

The Manhattan Institute received $19,470,416 in grants from 1985-2005, from foundations such as the Koch Family Foundations, the John M. Olin Foundation, Inc., the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Scaife Foundations, and the Smith Richardson Foundation. [11] The Manhattan Institute does not disclose its corporate funding, but the Capital Research Center listed its contributors as Bristol-Myers Squibb, Exxon Mobil, Chase Manhattan, Cigna, Sprint, Reliant Energy, Lincoln Financial Group Foundation, and Merill Lynch.

Gratzner is hardly a disinterested party in the healthcare debate, nor does he stand to lose coverage because of job loss or indigence.

Gratzner is wrong on Canadian health insurance as well. Business Week, hardly a leftist source, gives props to Canada:

http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2008/06/health_care_go.html


I did a quick Google search of polls taken here and found that our system is good; and great when compared to the present US system.
In fact a few short years ago American seniors were flocking here by the busloads to get cheaper meds.. until GWB had Congress pass a law effectively ending the practice; all without reducing med costs in the USA.


gringoman

from Madame Dewy via Free Republic

OBAMA CARE already passed in STIMULUS BILL; MORE TREACHERY IN SEPTEMBER

| Dewy
Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 8:49:45 PM by bareford101
If you are not aware of it yet, ObamaCare as it's being called "Part One" was actually buried in the phony stimulus bill. That massive rape was signed into law by the usurper president in February.
As Dr. Dave Janda writes, what is being debated now is Part Two. What, you say? Yes, your member of Congress (and mine) pulled another fast one and deceived all of us. Again. tthe link to the draconian 'American Investment and Recovery Act of 2009 is in the article; the same failure as all the wasteful government programs implemented by FDR that prolonged the "Great Depression."
The creation of more worthless federal boards and councils were in the stimulus bill and are now in place.
According to Dr. Dave Janda: "The first part of The Obama Health Care Plan was buried in The Stimulus Bill which was signed into law by the President in February. It is the second part of The Health Care Plan which is now being debated in Congress."
"The underlying method of cutting costs throughout the plan is based on rationing and denying care, not preventing health care need. The plan's method is the most inhumane and unethical approach in cutting costs.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2318329/posts

Phil Wedeen

Wouldn't any fair reading of "Madame Dewey" in the freeper article quoted ad-nauseum above conclude the tone to be just a touch strident?

In fact, if one were to rely solely on the hearsay of Madame Dewey one would never hear what Dr Dave Janda is trying to say:

"This illegal alien, commnist/marxist/socialist Obama, should and needs to be impeached. If not, SECESSION!!
Obama has done alot of damage to this country and articles of impeachment should be brought up against him in a heartbeat!! I don't see any difference between him and Bush, who should have been impeached as well and along with his Vice-President, Dick Cheney!!
Obama Care language - Hazardous to your Health!
Chris Dodd and Ted Kennedy ARE blessed that they, the exalted ones won't be subjected to health care reform.
As a physician who has authored books on preventative health
care, I was given the opportunity to be the keynote speaker at
a Congressional Dinner at The Capitol Building in Washington
last Friday.

if congress- and the pres OPmama are in this healthccare bill why should yours and my family be in it? half the 45 million that dont have healthcare can buy it if they want too."
http://libertyontherocks.ning.com/


According to the 'Doctor' (who seems to have other pressing issues with his fellow countrymen), people are uninsured by choice. Homeless are Urban outdoorsmen.
The full moon brings out the loons.

Phil Wedeen

It's easy to see that "Dr. Janda" would find a welcome home here.

thorn66

FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 6 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The judgment is harsh in a new poll that finds Americans worried about the government taking over health insurance, cutting off treatment to the elderly and giving coverage to illegal immigrants. Harsh, but not based on facts.

President Barack Obama's lack of a detailed plan for overhauling health care is letting critics fill in the blanks in the public's mind. In reality, Washington is not working on "death panels" or nationalization of health care.

To be sure, presenting Congress and the country with the nuts and bolts of a revamped system of health insurance is no guarantee of success for a president — just ask Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Their famous flop was demonized, too. After all, the devil does lurk in details.

It can also lurk in generalities, it seems.

Obama is promoting his changes in something of a vacuum, laying out principles, goals and broad avenues, some of which he's open to amending. As lawmakers sweat the nitty gritty, he's doing a lot of listening, and he's getting an earful.

A new NBC News poll suggests some of the myths and partial truths about the plans under consideration are taking hold.

Most respondents said the effort is likely to lead to a "government takeover of the health care system" and to public insurance for illegal immigrants. Half said it will probably result in taxpayers paying for abortions and nearly that many expected the government will end up with the power to decide when treatment should stop for old people.

A look at each of those points:

THE POLL: 45 percent said it's likely the government will decide when to stop care for the elderly; 50 percent said it's not likely.

THE FACTS: Nothing being debated in Washington would give the government such authority. Critics have twisted a provision in a House bill that would direct Medicare to pay for counseling sessions about end-of-life care, living wills, hospices and the like if a patient wants such consultations with a doctor. They have said, incorrectly, that the elderly would be required to have these sessions.

House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio said such counseling "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia."

The bill would prohibit coverage of counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option.

Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who has been a proponent of coverage for end-of-life counseling under Medicare, said such sessions are a voluntary benefit, strictly between doctor and patient, and it was "nuts" to think death panels are looming or euthanasia is part of the equation.

But as fellow conservatives stepped up criticism of the provision, he backed away from his defense of it.

___

THE POLL: 55 percent expect the overhaul will give coverage to illegal immigrants; 34 percent don't.

THE FACTS: The proposals being negotiated do not provide coverage for illegal immigrants.

___

THE POLL: 54 percent said the overhaul will lead to a government takeover of health care; 39 percent disagree.

THE FACTS: Obama is not proposing a single-payer system in which the government covers everyone, like in Canada or some European countries. He says that direction is not right for the U.S. The proposals being negotiated do not go there.

At issue is a proposed "exchange" or "marketplace" in which a new government plan would be one option for people who aren't covered at work or whose job coverage is too expensive. The exchange would offer some private plans as well as the public one, all of them required to offer certain basic benefits.

That's a long way from a government takeover. But when Obama tells people they can just continue with the plans they have now if they are happy with them, that can't be taken at face value, either. Tax provisions could end up making it cheaper for some employers to pay a fee to end their health coverage, nudging some patients into a public plan with different doctors and benefits. Over time, critics fear, the public plan could squeeze private insurers out of business because they would not be able to compete with the federal government.

It's unclear now whether Obama is committed to the public option. He described it recently as "just one sliver" of health reform, suggesting it was expendable if lawmakers could agree on another way to expand affordable coverage. Now the White House is emphasizing his strong support for it.

M/M

Monica

You were great on Imus.

http://www.imus.com/article/monica_crowley_august_18__2009.guest.html

Posted by: Ree | August 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM

____________________________

Monica, you seem to remind Don Imus what it was like to be a REAL MAN.

Speaking of REAL MENhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Bernard-Mcguirk/1205457897

EminemsRevenge

The white flag is flying over Camp Obama--GRINGOMAN

Yo G-man, when you're RIGHT you're RIGHT...just saw THIS on Twitter:
whitehouseVideo & photos: Obama honors NASCAR & Jimmie Johnson http://bit.ly/lX32B
31 minutes ago from web

Yeah, Team Obama are now NASCAR'ing it...can i get a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I11w-rl6iaY on that???

By "embracing" the NASCAR culture Team Obama is not only showing that Barack is the second coming of Howard Davis [ http://eminemsrevenge.xanga.com/709920626/when-the-going-gets-tough-obama-punks/ ], but the Ivy Leaguers he's surrounded himself with are PANDERING to the MAX...Andrew Cuomo is looking good for 2012:)

thorn66

This one's a hoot...typical repug. spin...I wonder how his family feels about the "distraction"

APNewsBreak: Ensign: I did nothing 'legally wrong'
By SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer Scott Sonner, Associated Press Writer 50 mins ago

FERNLEY, Nev. – Sen. John Ensign told The Associated Press on Wednesday that his affair with a friend's wife was a mistake but not as bad as former President Bill Clinton's relationship with a White House intern because he didn't lie about it under oath.

"I haven't done anything legally wrong," the Nevada Republican said.

"President Clinton stood right before the American people and he lied to the American people," Ensign said. "You remember that famous day he lied to the American people, plus the fact I thought he committed perjury. That's why I voted for the articles of impeachment."

Ensign made the remarks before being introduced to a standing ovation from about 100 people at a Chamber of Commerce luncheon in rural Fernley, about 40 miles east of Reno.

Ensign opened his speech by acknowledging what he called a "distraction."

"I think it would be inappropriate to start any other way than to say I'm sorry," he said. "I've said I'm sorry. I can't say I'm sorry enough. I made a big mistake in my life and I apologize once again to all of you."

The luncheon was Ensign's first public appearance in his home state since acknowledging in June that he had an extramarital affair with former campaign aide Cynthia Hampton.

Ensign resigned as head of the Republican Policy Committee after admitting to the affair with Hampton from December 2007 to August 2008. Hampton's husband, Doug, was Ensign's administrative assistant in his Washington, D.C., Senate office and the families were friends.

Ensign's attorney has also said that Ensign's parents paid the woman and her family $96,000 after learning about the affair.

Ensign once called on President Bill Clinton to resign after his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky erupted in 1998, declaring: "The truth must come out."

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, government watchdog group, has called for investigations into Ensign by the Senate Ethics Committee and the Federal Elections Commission.

Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director, said Ensign's distinction between his situation and that of Clinton was essentially an attempt to claim his affair was less contemptible.

"Isn't that a little like saying, 'It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is?,'" she said in a statement Wednesday. "One politician comparing his illicit affair to another's is a sure sign his career is in trouble."

Ensign told the AP on Wednesday that he can understand how some people might "have a problem" with the fact he called for Clinton's resignation but won't resign himself.

"But if you look at the times ... I was in the House of Representatives but basically was sitting in judgment of the president evaluating the case. I was basically a jurist at that point. I thought there was a violation of a felony," he said.

Ensign said in the interview he never considered resigning from the Senate and is focused on fulfilling his six-year term.

"What we're trying to do is go around to people in the state of Nevada and tell them how sorry I am for what I did. But now I need to focus on earning their trust back by working harder than I've ever worked for them," Ensign said. "There's no magic to hard work. It is literally focusing on what is important to Nevadans. Right now, the biggest issue Nevadans and the rest of the country face is health care."

Ensign spoke for about 30 minutes at the luncheon and answered a handful of questions submitted on cards. None were about the affair.

Later Wednesday he toured a U.S. Forest Service project at Lake Tahoe aimed at thinning forests to reduce fuel loads in an effort to reduce wildfire threats. On Thursday, he is scheduled to host the 12th annual Tahoe Environmental Summit that Clinton and Vice President Al Gore first hosted in 1997.

M/M

http://to
day.msnbc.msn.com/id/32464917?GT1=43001

M/M

Sorry, YOU need to vote in THIS poll!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32464917?GT1=43001

Phil Wedeen

(See Dostoyevsky's THE POSSESSED, 1872. Okay, Google the blurbs.)

Posted by: gringoman | August 19, 2009 at 02:29 PM

With the Reader's Digest folding where will you get the abridged edition for erudite Republican's? The leather bound Book-of-the-Month Club edition is meant for display on the coffee table. According to Andre Gide (in 1925) all translations were deemed wholly unsatisfactory and he recommended that Fydor be read only in Russian.
If Gringoman is going to constantly remind the unwashed that he is a literary dilettante should not he critique the various english translations to come to a synthesis as to those which remain closest to the author's intent?
Finally, to ascribe lessons from the work(s) which might have relevence today should not Gringoman provide context by placing the work in comparison the literature and historical reference of 19th Century Russia?

Otherwise to state that you own the book, or might of thumbed through it, and recommend that we Google it, seems little more than a cry for help.


xbjllb

Another (and possibly the most important) difference between Bill Clinton and John Ensign?

Bill Clinton will never have to go back to being a Las Vegas veterinarian.

Not that there's anything wrong with veterinarians. Until they ask their rich casino-owner daddies to buy them Senator positions.

Then they're overreaching.

M/M

Bob Dylan sets an example for the racist professor.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/08/19/peeping-dylan/

Dgscol

What did the patient say to his fat doctor?

Hey, doc - don't you believe in toys, like say a Gulfstream?

Has anyone else noticed that William Jefferson, is allot like Bill Clinton, who almost has the same name?

The trouble seems to be that William is still in office, and does not use his friends, but rather asks for a cut, straight on.

Phil Wedeen

Bob Dylan sets an example for the racist professor.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/08/19/peeping-dylan/

Posted by: M/M | August 19, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I think that there is a key ingredient missing in Dylan case; one that makes it an invidious comparison to Professor Gates and his run-in with the over zealous local gendarmes.
For the incident to be an example at all would require that it predate the wrongful arrest of Prof Gates and that Prof Gates had foreknowledge of Dylan's run-in with police in NJ.
Dylan's own reaction might be different if police had confronted him at his own home, but even if so it could not be construed as a lesson in race.

david

Just curious.When was the last president that actully balanced the budget.We are 99 trillon in debt.Your not balancing the budget when you owe all that money.I think we should give california and washington to china and call it even.But they have to take you libs.

M/M

Only in New YOrk
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08202009/news/regionalnews/striphanger_185422.htm

M/M

“When Dylan wandered into the yard of a home that had a "For Sale" sign on it, the home's occupants became spooked by his appearance and called police with a report of an "eccentric-looking old man" in their yard, Long Branch Police said. One of the occupants even went so far as to follow Dylan as he continued on down the street. “
It was pouring rain:
"We got a call for a suspicious person,'' Buble said. "It was pouring rain outside, and I was right around the corner so I responded. By that time he was walking down the street. I asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood and he said he was looking at a house for sale."


"I asked him what his name was and he said, 'Bob Dylan,' Buble said. "Now, I've seen pictures of Bob Dylan from a long time ago and he didn't look like Bob Dylan to me at all. He was wearing black sweatpants tucked into black rain boots, and two raincoats with the hood pulled down over his head.
"So I said, 'OK Bob, what are you doing in Long Branch?' He said he was touring the country with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp. So now I'm really a little fishy about his story. I did not know what to believe or where he was coming from, or even who he was.
"We see a lot of people on our beat, and I wasn't sure if he came from one of our hospitals or something," Buble said.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=8331830&page=1

I can only ask:

“Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you?”

http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/rolling-stone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs

M/M

RAAACISM! He was in the Latin Quarter

It was in 1965 that Dylan wrote Like A Rolling Stone, with its line: 'How does it feel to be on your own, a complete unknown?'

He found out while staying at the Ocean Place Resort in Long Branch. Before taking part in a concert with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, he decided to take a stroll through the town's Latin quarter.

'Residents called to complain there was an old scruffy man acting suspiciously,' said officer Spencer. 'It was an odd request because it was mid-afternoon. But it's an ethnic Latin area and the residents felt he didn't fit in.'

This is not the first time that Dylan has wandered off alone while on tour.

After a concert in Belfast in 1991, he shunned his chauffeur-driven limo and was captured by a TV crew waiting at a bus stop.

And in the middle of an American tour he popped unannounced into the childhood home of author Mark Twain.

When the stunned curator asked if he was really Bob Dylan, he said: 'I guess I am.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/bigbrother/article-1206617/Like-complete-unknown-Bob-Dylan-frogmarched-collect-ID-rookie-policewoman-fails-recognise-scruffy-music-legend.html#ixzz0OigWEnHJ

M/M

RAAACISMSMSMSM!

“So what is the lesson, if any, of this now famous incident? Some have said that had Dylan been black, he would have suffered the fate of “Skip” Gates at his arrest by Officer Crowley. But Dylan was walking in a predominantly African-American community, and the call probably came from a black homeowner who was worried when he saw the strange looking man on his lawn..”

http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/08/17/bob-dylan-like-a-complete-unknown/

gringoman

Monica

You were great on Imus.

http://www.imus.com/article/monica_crowley_august_18__2009.guest.html

Posted by: Ree | August 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM

____________________________

Monica, you seem to remind Don Imus what it was like to be a REAL MAN.

Speaking of REAL MENhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Bernard-Mcguirk/1205457897

Posted by: M/M | August 19, 2009 at 07:54 PM

Don Imus, when the media-made Race Racketeer Tawana Sharpton came for his scalp, had to make a fateful decision. If he acted like a REAL MAN would he lose his status as a REAL MEDIA ICON? He wouldn't risk it. Got a ranch to maintain etc. Result: Grovel. Lose a body part. A REAL ICON, at least, could keep the ranch and trophy wife. Who knows what a REAL MAN could keep after losing media platform and all that revenue and buzz?

A REAL MAN? In Media Land?

gringoman

The white flag is flying over Camp Obama--GRINGOMAN

Yo G-man, when you're RIGHT you're RIGHT...just saw THIS on Twitter:
whitehouseVideo & photos: Obama honors NASCAR & Jimmie Johnson http://bit.ly/lX32B
31 minutes ago from web

Yeah, Team Obama are now NASCAR'ing it...can i get a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I11w-rl6iaY on that???

By "embracing" the NASCAR culture Team Obama is not only showing that Barack is the second coming of Howard Davis [ http://eminemsrevenge.xanga.com/709920626/when-the-going-gets-tough-obama-punks/ ], but the Ivy Leaguers he's surrounded himself with are PANDERING to the MAX...Andrew Cuomo is looking good for 2012:)

Posted by: EminemsRevenge | August 19, 2009 at 08:42 PM

Still waiting for the "anti-racist" and "anti-imperialist" Cyberstalker to do "progressive" download of CybER--X's new ouevre. Will Cyberstalker also do his duty
and review CybER--X's pulsating expose of Yankee racial oppression for the "anti-imperialist" and "anti-racist" organ of Quebec's advanced thinkers, LE DEVOIR? Can Quebec's "progressives" be denied such a reward any longer? What is Cyberstalker waiting for?

The impassioned CybER=X, stuck in the USA, surely deserves such a gesture. Cyberstalker absolutely deserves this chance to demonstrate his sympathies.

What are these Cybers waiting for---an anti-imperialist nudge from Cyber9.11, The Twin Towers Troll?

gringoman

If Gringoman is going to constantly remind the unwashed that he is a literary dilettante should not he critique the various english translations to come to a synthesis as to those which remain closest to the author's intent?
Finally, to ascribe lessons from the work(s) which might have relevence today should not Gringoman provide context by placing the work in comparison the literature and historical reference of 19th Century Russia?

Otherwise to state that you own the book, or might of thumbed through it, and recommend that we Google it, seems little more than a cry for help.


Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 19, 2009 at 10:15 PM


While the cyberprogs cry 'Ouch'!......


BEFORE JOSIP STALIN, FDR, KHMER ROUGE, BARRY SOETORO, THERE WAS....

PETER VERKHOVENSKY/////////Each belongs to all and all belong to each. All are slaves and equal in their slavery. In the first place, there is a lowering of the level of education, science, and arts. The highest level . . . is accessible only to those with the greatest abilities.... The most gifted men cannot help being tyrants and they have always perverted others more than they have been useful to them: so they must be ostracized or put to death.... But in the herd there is equality. . . .

All we have to do is organize obedience—that's the weak point in this world of ours.... Everything must be reduced to the common denominator of complete equality. . . . But they need to be shaken up too and we, the rulers, will take care of that. Because slaves must always have rulers. There'll be total obedience and total depersonalization.

from THE POSSESSED (or THE DEVILS,)1872
a novel by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, ex-socialist and bane of "progressives" ever since, who he knew so well---far too well for their comfort.

gringoman

Bob Dylan sets an example for the racist professor.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/08/19/peeping-dylan/

Posted by: M/M | August 19, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I think that there is a key ingredient missing in Dylan case; one that makes it an invidious comparison to Professor Gates and his run-in with the over zealous local gendarmes.
For the incident to be an example at all would require that it predate the wrongful arrest of Prof Gates and that Prof Gates had foreknowledge of Dylan's run-in with police in NJ.
Dylan's own reaction might be different if police had confronted him at his own home, but even if so it could not be construed as a lesson in race.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 20, 2009 at 12:07 AM

M/M,

Now we can thank Cyberstalker for another lesson in Liberal Racism.

gringoman


(Digitizing of the Indochina Legacy Project continues....)

July 21, 1970 The Saigon Post

SAIGON NOTES
by
Daniel Cameron

URINALYSIS & DE=DOPIFICATION

De-Toxification Center, Cam Ranh Bay, South Vietnam


....Lunch, which we also paid for, was in a mess hall where the sign said OUR MEALS ARE NEXT TO MOM'S.
*
The soldier was going home now. Heroin was a problem where he used to be stationed, up around Phu Bai. How did they take it? Anyway---snort it, shoot it, smoke it. When he first got there, they were on pot. Now, 90% of the old pot heads were on heroin. But his buddy added that less than half the people he knew were on pot or heroin. It was less than people thought.

*
A Negro MP from the Second Security Battalion was going home. Half the people he knew in the Danang area were on pot or heroin. Why? Everyone got a thing to do. How about when they got home? It'll be rough on 'em if they want it and can't get it....

Complete at www.gringoman.com
Escaping Politically Correct

gringoman

The One Now Partners With God for Obamacare.....


August 19, 2009
'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

A reader points out that President Obama's call with the rabbis today — as recorded in Rabbi Jack Moline's and other clerics' Twitter feeds — freights health care reform with a great deal of religious meaning, and veers into the blend of policy and faith that outraged liberals in the last administration.
"We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said, according to Moline (paging Sarah Palin...), quoting from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "who shall live and who shall die."
The president ended the call by wishing the rabbis "shanah tovah," or happy new year — in reference to the High Holidays a month from now.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...h.html?showall

xbjllb

"B-B-B-B-BUSH knocked down the towers.
(Now, you know...majesty)"

----

Hey Phil... OF COURSE Warrior Princess knows and has known for years that Poppy Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Karl Rove, via Marvin Bush's Securacom planned and pulled off 9-11. She's not an IDIOT, you know... or we wouldn't be wasting our time here.

gringoman

(While cyberstalker stalks with stats from across the border in the Commonwealth of Socialismus....)

Canadians visit U.S. to get care
Deal lets many go to Michigan hospitals

BY PATRICIA ANSTETT
FREE PRESS MEDICAL WRITER

Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.


Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.

http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/

Ree

M/M

I did catch Bernie on Hannity last night I hope there is more Fox News Overlap.

Meantime it August is known for news cycle doldrums and sometimes it causes things that should be covered to be covered. Not crowded out by Britney Spears latest antics.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/20/wsj-va-pushes-vets-to-consider-death-as-an-alternative-to-treatment/

gringoman

RACE POLICE VS. BECK?

(Why they now target Beck's corporate sponsors at Fox, having learned the tactic from Reverend Tawana Sharpton and Jessah Jackson?)

Van Jones
JERUSALEM – Was a far-left think tank partnered with the community activist group ACORN and founded with input from President Obama instrumental in securing the appointment of controversial White House "environmental czar" Van Jones?
A key member of the think tank reportedly was also a founder of a socialist party that, evidence indicates, included Obama among its members.
In March, Jones was named the special adviser for green jobs, enterprise and innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
His appointment drew criticism after a WND report exposing that Jones was as an admitted radical communist and black nationalist leader. The Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck hammered away at Jones' communist ties.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107418

Phil Wedeen

"BEFORE JOSIP STALIN, FDR, KHMER ROUGE, BARRY SOETORO, THERE WAS....

PETER VERKHOVENSKY" (GRINGOMAN)

Wow! The list suggests that the black helicopters are standing by and are at the ready.
This list is also revelatory of the writer's own pathology and prediliction for narcissism; an autobiographical narrative in search of a soundtrack.

Like much written, this statement is also false on its face. There was never a Peter Verkhovensky, only a fictional character in an unread novel.
If the gist of the novel is interpreted in the form of the list above then the work should be viewed as pornographic.
That it is not is revelatory that appreciation of Dostoevsky requires a certain level of active discernment from an educated reader and not the passivity from one looking to seize any opportunity to endorse a fascistic worldview.
In this instance Dostoevsky has been mugged and disfigured by a thief who wishes only to Hannitize the author for an audience who hasn't and will never read his work.

thorn66

The Wall Street Journal

It’s Certifiable
The last word on President Obama’s place of birth.
By JAMES TARANTO

Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter group’s benefit it is worth clarifying matters.

Compounding the confusion, some rebuttals of the birthers’ claims have been based in part on misinformation. National Review, for example, asserts that it would not matter if the president had been born in a foreign country: “His mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.”

In fact, although some people born outside the U.S. are natural-born citizens (including John McCain, born in Panama, where his father was stationed as a naval officer), the timing and circumstances of Obama’s birth make the place a necessary condition for natural-born citizenship. The State Department Web site explains the law that would have applied if Obama were born overseas:

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Obama was born before 1986 to married parents, and his father was an alien. Thus if it were an overseas birth, his mother would have to have lived in the U.S. for 5 years after age 14 in order for her child to be a natural-born American. Mrs. Obama was only 18 when Barack was born, so she had not even lived 5 years after age 14.

This is something of a technicality: Someone born overseas and after 1986, but otherwise in identical circumstances to Obama, would be a natural-born citizen thanks to a law signed by President Reagan. We don’t recall any outcry back then about the threat that some such person could grow up to be president, nor, as far as we are aware, are any birthers calling for a change in this law to return to the status quo ante 1986. Even if the birthers’ conspiracy theory were true, it would be hard to square the intensity of their emotion over the subject with the practical effect of Obama’s (hypothetical) overseas birth, which would be roughly nil.

Ah, but the law is the law, the birthers will reply--and who can disagree? The birthers can. Whether out of ignorance or dishonesty, they misrepresent the law at every turn. Back in November, as we noted, the birthers were claiming that the Supreme Court had ordered Obama to “prove” his eligibility for the presidency. In fact, all that had happened was that a lawyer had asked the high court to hear an appeal of a lower court’s decision throwing out his frivolous lawsuit for lack of standing. The justices, of course, denied the petition, and all such lawsuits have been summarily dismissed for lack of standing. The law is the law.

The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.

In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues.

FactCheck.org has a close-up photo of the certificate, which states clearly at the bottom: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” If a court were somehow to take up the question of Obama’s eligibility, then, the birth certificate would almost certainly be sufficient to resolve the question in his favor. The opposing side would have to provide serious evidence calling into question the veracity of Hawaii’s official state records. Innuendo and hearsay would not be admissible.

Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.

Ah, but what about the original birth certificate? This is the nub of the birther “case,” and this is where things get really obscure.

As the Star-Bulletin notes, Hawaiian birth certificates have changed in form since Obama was born. Back then, the official record was a paper document with the title “certificate of live birth” (rather than “certification”), and it included “more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc.” Hawaii no longer issues those old-style birth certificates:

[Spokeswoman Janice] Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

”At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

”The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

CNN has reported--or rather, CNN executive Jon Klein reported to staffers in an email that others reported--that the obsolete paper certificates were destroyed when the department switched to electronic record-keeping. Klein’s information appears to have been in error. The Honolulu Advertiser reported yesterday that Okubo and her boss, Chiyome Fukino, both confirm that Obama’s original birth certificate still exists. Fukino says she has seen it and that the information matches the now-official electronic records reflected on the certificate Obama has released.

So why doesn’t Obama release the original certificate? The Advertiser says it is “unclear” whether the president “would even be allowed to see it if he asked.” It is clear, though, that the Hawaii statute governing disclosure of public records does not prohibit state officials from providing him with a copy, since he is “the registrant” and therefore has “a direct and tangible interest” in the record. One would think that Obama could persuade state officials to give him a copy, even if that is not their usual policy.

But the real question is: Why should he? The demand has no basis in principle and would have no practical benefit.

Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.

The president would gain nothing politically for his trouble. By acknowledging the birthers’ demands, he would lend them a modicum of credibility. By ignoring them, he actually reaps political benefits from their efforts. His critics, even those who are not birthers, end up looking like cranks by association. His supporters use the birthers to paint Obama foes as racist--which is probably unfair even to the birthers, as we argued Tuesday, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t effective.

In a Commentary article last year, William F. Buckley recounted the way he, Sen. Barry Goldwater and a handful of other top conservatives worked to stigmatize the John Birch Society, whose founder, Robert Welch, maintained, among other things, that President Eisenhower was a “dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy,” and that the U.S. government was “under operational control of the Communist Party.” The Birchers, like the birthers, made respectable conservatives look like kooks, and in preparation for a prospective Goldwater presidential campaign, Buckley and his associates “thought it best to do a little conspiratorial organizing of their own against it.”

They succeeded in “excommunicating” the Birchers. It’s probably impossible to do the same to the birthers, because today the right wing is too vast to mount much of a conspiracy. The birthers are likely to be with us for as long as Obama is president--and because of them, it is more likely that this will be for the next 7½ rather than just 3½ years.

gringoman

M/M

I did catch Bernie on Hannity last night I hope there is more Fox News Overlap.

Meantime it August is known for news cycle doldrums and sometimes it causes things that should be covered to be covered. Not crowded out by Britney Spears latest antics.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/20/wsj-va-pushes-vets-to-consider-death-as-an-alternative-to-treatment/

Posted by: Ree | August 20, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Nice interview with CBS' Andy Rooney today, Imus unusually respectful, careful not to slap a 90-year old. But then Rooney had to come on, in the context of Don Hewitt's death, and say that anything, literally anything, could lend itself to a 60-Minutes story.

Imus, of course, could not reply as follows:

"Perfectly true, Andy, except for one story your gang has never done and very likely never will do. That's the story of what happened at the CBS Bureau during the Fall of Saigon, when the entire CBS staff fled in the panic and a complete unknown, like a rolling stone, rolled into the looted offices at the Caravelle Hotel's second floor and got things rolling again---his name even mentioned by Walter Cronkite on the Evening News---until that day two weeks later when the Communists held up the film shipment for two days in the Story of the Decade."

If Andy Rooney knows that story, then he is exercising editorial judgement. If he doesn't know it, or knows only a part of it, CBS isn't likely to mind.

Are they, Andy?

gringoman

"B-B-B-B-BUSH knocked down the towers.
(Now, you know...majesty)"

----

Hey Phil... OF COURSE Warrior Princess knows and has known for years that Poppy Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Karl Rove, via Marvin Bush's Securacom planned and pulled off 9-11. She's not an IDIOT, you know... or we wouldn't be wasting our time here.

Posted by: xbjllb | August 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM

DJ, M/M et al,

Cyberstalker and Cyber9.11---two sides of the same coin---one side obvious, the other slightly less so. You thought I was exaggerating?

gringoman

That it is not is revelatory that appreciation of Dostoevsky requires a certain level of active discernment from an educated reader and not the passivity from one looking to seize any opportunity to endorse a fascistic worldview.
In this instance Dostoevsky has been mugged and disfigured by a thief who wishes only to Hannitize the author for an audience who hasn't and will never read his work.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 20, 2009 at 01:45 PM

And while the squealing goes on in Orwell's ANIMAL FARM at the sight of Dostoyevsky, the former socialist who dared to grow up, who could see right through them and their fancy oinks and their blather.......

////////I also started the Brothers Karamazov again. Evidently, Dostoevsky believed that Socialism is the ultimate form of Atheism. Interesting. He uses the reasoning that Socialism depends on the goodness of men, and Christianity depends on the depravity of men (that sounds awful, but there you have it). He draws a comparison to the Tower of Babel which the people of the Earth attempted to use to bring themselves up to heaven. Using Socialism, he says, man is attempting to bring heaven to Earth.

http://makingsenseofclay.blogspot.com/2007/06/emerson-dostoevsky-and-socialism.html

Phil Wedeen

Gringoman's eschatology is much too broad to be dealt with on a rational basis.
It seems that Gringoman has found some mystical union with Dostoevsky which allows for 'Josip Stalin, FDR, the khmer rouge, Barry Soetero' to exist in the same sentence with a charecter from a novel.
When in the chapel of dogma any rational criticism is thus deemed heresy. Herodotus is mad again.

Phil Wedeen

Against liberalism's social optimism (progress by reform) and the social optimism of the revolutionary left (progress by force), Dostoevsky asserted the eternal necessity of the soul to be itself. But he discerned that the moment man indulged this freedom to the point where he was also free from God, it led him into tragedy, evil, and often the exact opposite of what he had intended. In human terms there was no solution for the problem of evil. This insight Dostoevsky dramatized on a scale of titanic tragedy in The Brothers Karamazov and The Idiot, and of titanic comedy in The Possessed.

Since humans can not solve the problem of evil, Dostoevsky allows but two choices; religion or nihilism.
In that way he is trapped in his own century; revered today but virtually unread.
Adherents take on the air of a Unibomber manifesto cut off by choice from society in an effort to expunge one's demons. Statistically these sociopaths were raised in homes by a dominant mother and absent father. They lash out at normative behavior as a substitute for the rage internalized from the broken home by bullying.
Here the writer knows the reader is less familiar with the work and thus can swiftly gain the upper hand by ascribing to the text of the novel a foreshadowing of a society which hasn't been clued into its shameful perdition from the truth. Truth being revealed in the text, and interpreted only by the high priest, Dostoevsky's meaning through an analysis which is not subject to rebuke or review.

Phil Wedeen

Cyberstalker and Cyber9.11---two sides of the same coin---one side obvious, the other slightly less so. You thought I was exaggerating?


Posted by: gringoman | August 20, 2009 at 03:42 PM

You thought we weren't?

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