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August 12, 2009

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Sovereign_1

Declaration of Independence? The Constitution?

You mean that they'd actually respect these documents enough to even take the time to 'revise' them?

I rather think they'd create two new documents to supercede our Founder's documents.

The Declaration of Dependence

and...

The Collective Manifesto

xbjllb

Reality Check:

The Founding Fathers NEVER even perceived such an immoral society that would ALLOW health care to become a multi-billion dollar PURELY profit-based cancer on society.

Heck, they could hardly have perceived it in the 1940's.

In that world doctors knew their patients, often would trade health care for barter or credit, worked out of their HOUSES, and few were millionaires. And they certainly had no bureaucratic millionaires overseeing them.

No one even NEEDED a thing such as "health" "insurance" until the 1960's.

And now, with the GOP fully in the pockets of Big Insurance, all we're going to get is sodomized, with laws that will make health insurance mandatory, and Big Insurance setting the rates, just like what happened when car insurance was made mandatory.

Rates skyrocketed and never came down. Talk about an enforced monopoly and collusion.

You folks will get your wish; you'll take what should be a completely government-run program, hand it over to Big Insurance, and ram it up the bleeding rears of every US citizen.

BUT for all your bluster and BS, don't think for a moment that the American People will end up blaming the folks that wanted to socialize it; no, this is going to come back and bite the GOP on it's rear and take half the body with it.

Despite all the Bush-fellating morons you've bussed to the town halls, the truth WILL come out; it ALWAYS does.

And sadly, ALWAYS to YOUR detriment.

But telling the GOP to clean up its act is like telling a virus to commit suicide.


EminemsRevenge

Health insurance is implied in both LIFE and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

For YOUR argument you should have AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER?

"FREEDOM DEMANDS MORE, NOT LESS, from people. It demands that we monitor our own institutions, make our own mistakes, and correct them. A democracy forces its members to make those decisions themselves and then live with the consequences. Freedom EMANDS individual and collective DISCIPLINE, relentless self-scrutiny, and A HIGHER MISSION BASED UPON GOODNESS AND VIRTUE." [p 99]

THIS probably isn't in the Republican bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46
but methinks THAT is the motivating factor behind Obama's wanting healthcare for all. One of the major tenets of Christianity is that you ARE your brother's keeper.....

President Obama also has to learn that the PelosiScare plan is dangerous---ANY THOUSAND PAGE BILL is dangerous!!! Get it down to ten or twenty pages and he'll have a healthcare bill that EVERYONE can understand and judge on its merits.

gringoman

TROUBLE IN OBAMASTAN

(gringoNOTE: the new gringo=ism, 'Obamastan',is offered to the public, either for fair use, or terms negotiable)

Obama's Tone-Deaf Health Campaign

By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

It didn't take chaotic town-hall meetings, raging demonstrators and consequent brooding in various sectors of the media to bring home the truth that the campaign for a health-care bill is, to put it mildly, not going awfully well. It's not hard now to envision the state of this crusade with just a month or two more of diligent management by the Obama team—think train wreck. It may one day be otherwise in the more perfect world of universal coverage, but for now disabilities like the tone deafness that afflicts this administration from the top down are uninsurable.

Consider former ABC reporter Linda Douglass—now the president's communications director for health reform—who set about unmasking all the forces out there "always trying to scare people when you try to bring them health insurance reform." People, she charged, are taking sentences out of context and otherwise working to present a misleading picture of the president's proposals. One of her key solutions to this problem—her justly famed message encouraging citizens to contact the office at flag@whitehouse.gov if they got an email or other information about health reform "that seems fishy"—set off a riotous flow of online responses. (The word "fishy," with its police detective tone, would have done the trick all by itself.)

These commentaries, packed with allusions to the secret police, the East German Stasi and Orwell, were mostly furious. Others quite simply hilarious. Ms. Douglass, who now has, in her public appearances, the air of a person consigned to service in a holy order, was not amused.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html

gringoman

MORE TROUBLE IN OBAMASTAN (Mediamenschen upset)

RABINOWITZ///////It shouldn't have been surprising, either, that the tone of much of the commentary on the town-hall protests was what it was. There was Mark Halperin for one, senior political editor for Time, bouncing off his chair, Sunday, in agitation over all the media coverage of this rowdiness—"a horrible breakdown of our political culture, our media culture" and so "bad for America," as he told CNN's Howard Kurtz. "I'm embarrassed about what's going on, as an American." The disruptions and coverage thereof distorted serious discussion, he explained. Mark Shields said much the same on Friday's PBS NewsHour, if with less excitation, pointing out that these events were "not good for the democratic process," and were a breakdown of civil debate.

There was no such hand-wringing over the decline of civil debate, during, say, election 2004, when cadres of organized demonstrators carrying swastika-adorned pictures of George W. Bush routinely swarmed about, and packed rallies. There was also that other “breakdown of our media culture,” that will dwarf all else as a cause for embarrassment, the town-hall coverage included, for the foreseeable future. That would be, of course, the undisguised worshipful reporting of the candidacy of Barack Obama.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html

gringoman

YET MORE TROUBLE IN OBAMASTAN

RABINOWITZ//////.... the real Barack Obama—product of the academic left, social reformer with a program, is now before that audience, and what they hear in this lecture about one of the central concerns in their lives—his message freighted with generalities—they are not prepared to buy. They are not prepared to believe that our first most important concern now is health-care reform or all will go under.

The president has a problem. For, despite a great election victory, Mr. Obama, it becomes ever clearer, knows little about Americans. He knows the crowds—he is at home with those. He is a stranger to the country's heart and character.

He seems unable to grasp what runs counter to its nature. That Americans don't take well, for instance, to bullying, especially of the moralizing kind, implicit in those speeches on health care for everybody. Neither do they wish to be taken where they don't know they want to go and being told it's good for them.

Who would have believed that this politician celebrated, above all, for his eloquence and capacity to connect with voters would end up as president proving so profoundly tone deaf? A great many people is the answer—the same who listened to those speeches of his during the campaign, searching for their meaning.

It took this battle over health care to reveal the bloom coming off this rose, but that was coming. It began with the spectacle of the president, impelled to go abroad to apologize for his nation—repeatedly. It is not, in the end, the demonstrators in those town-hall meetings or the agitations of his political enemies that Mr. Obama should fear. It is the judgment of those Americans who have been sitting quietly in their homes, listening to him.

Ms. Rabinowitz is a member of the Journal's editorial board.

gringoman

Mark Simone just said that if you put a cap on trial lawyers, you would save about $500 billion in health insurance costs. Savage was discussing how no one discusses the effects of trial lawyers on our health care costs.

Posted by: M/M | August 13, 2009 at 06:14 AM

Mark Simone also mentioned how the Democrats, including Obama, are bought by the Trial Lawyers of America. If he didn't, Savage has been pointing it out all the time. In Europe, regardless of other problems, trial lawyers are not allowed to run wild like they do in the U.S. and drive doctors into buying huge insurance and also driving them to do many expensive tests in order to protect themselves from the legal jackals. POTUS BamBam, a wholly owned subsidiary of Trial Lawyers, Inc. never gets around to mentioning how the trial lawyers affect health care and its spiraling costs. Wonder why?

gringoman

THIS probably isn't in the Republican bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46
but methinks THAT is the motivating factor behind Obama's wanting healthcare for all. One of the major tenets of Christianity is that you ARE your brother's keeper.....


Posted by: EminemsRevenge | August 13, 2009 at 08:01 AM

Isn't it touching when the secularistas, Socialist Sammy and their ignorant minions deign to tell us about the Bible and what it says and what it means? Why do they sound like organ grinders trying to instruct us on what is far over their heads---like the flight of birds?

But maybe there's hope even for these organ grinders? Maybe someday one of them will finally understand that when the Bible says you are your brother's keeper, that is exactly what it means? It does not mean the State, Comrade Stalin, Commandante Fidel, POTUS-O, or even the geeky wonks from Harvard. It means YOU.

Repeat after me.

YOU.

Ree

This is one of the best post I have read in a long time. Savior it my subjects:)

http://www.goingjohngalt.org/blog/2009/08/03/sovereign-default/

gringoman

INTERNET FORUM//////Remember how the Obama Administration accused others of planting people at the town hall meetings? Well, as usual, what is good for the liberals is not good for the rest of us!

Check out this Craigs List ad where people are being offered $500.00 per week to DEFEND the Obama Health Care Reform Bill. When you go to this page, notice the TITLE of the page, which is up at the very top of your screen, it says: "DEFEND President Obama's Health Care Plan Over August Recess! $500+/wk.


Here is the link: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...299047025.html

xbjllb

Government, as an organization BY, FOR, and OF WE, the PEOPLE, MUST and SHOULD step in when WE, the PEOPLE fail to be our brothers' keeper.

Especially, for whatever your millions of "good" reasons, YOU fail to be YOUR brothers' keeper.

Repeat after me, Rabble-Rouser:

YOU.

xbjllb

"Check out this Craigs List ad where people are being offered $500.00 per week to DEFEND the Obama Health Care Reform Bill."

----

Wow. See the difference right there? The Obama squad is paying people to talk in public about what the majority of all the polls have been saying for years: People want universalized health care.

What a kick in the head to all the used and abused cons Bush fanclub trailer-dwellers who only got a free bus ride and a bottle of water!

The right doesn't advertise in craigslist for rabble rousers, because it couldn't begin to find any there; they go straight to the rolls of ex-military psychopath mercenaries.

Look for the cons ads to "preserve" health care and "freedom" in the back of Guns & Ammo magazines, and the pay will be double because mercenaries, are after all, mercenaries.

Psychopaths have to live too, you know.

xbjllb

Capitalism wasn't anywhere NEAR health care in 1776. If you're all so concerned what the Founding Fathers wanted for America, and what they meant by Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, then yank capitalism out of health care and bar it from ever coming back. With the sole exception of individual (and I mean ONE by ONE) health care providers.

NOT organizations. Of ANY kind.

Remove obscene profit from the equation, and everyone could afford the fantastic one-on-one health care that would also result.

Medicine doesn't need middlemen, ceo's, boards, golf courses, and stockholders; it never did. THEY are the poison in the system.

Lance the infected boil. Or die.

gringoman

his is one of the best post I have read in a long time. Savior it my subjects:)

http://www.goingjohngalt.org/blog/2009/08/03/sovereign-default/

Posted by: Ree | August 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Let's cut to the chase in a way that even John Galt might not.

Originally, the slaves in this country were blacks sold by other Africans and Arabs.

Today the slaves are tax-payers and can be of any color and from anywhere.

The question, that will become increasingly burning in this Republic: Will there be a Slave Revolt?

Phil Wedeen

But maybe there's hope even for these organ grinders? Maybe someday one of them will finally understand that when the Bible says you are your brother's keeper, that is exactly what it means? It does not mean the State, Comrade Stalin, Commandante Fidel, POTUS-O, or even the geeky wonks from Harvard. It means YOU.

Repeat after me.

YOU.

Posted by: gringoman | August 13, 2009 at 09:50 AM


Gringoman is waxing Talmudic; but as usual not in any scholarly way.
In fact his last two lines sound Butch in wanting his interlocutor to repeat after him that the bible statement is to be read only in the narrow literal sense.
In fact one should not be bullied by misinformation In ancient times as now it is not uncommon to voluntarily assume a duty through contract. Often in those times alliances conferring brotherhood were entered into by mutually consenting parties often with a blood ceremony. Brotherhood also was conferred by klan leaders upon individuals or groups otherwise not kindred which also conferred a duty.
Today we offer our consent for our elected leaders to bind us into conferring rights and privileges which impose an obligation upon society through entitlements.
Our coffee stable scholar strikes such a butch tone of certainty with respect to biblical interpretation.
On biblical grounds he is wrong.
Gringoman is also wrong on secular grounds which does not rely on biblical admonitions. Constitutionally, the people have given limited power to government. One of the limited powers conferred is to provide for the General Welfare. This broad definition is open to interpretation as to the ambit of its applicability. However, it is certain that the power to utilize the national treasure to assist the citizens is a contractual foundation creating a duty to be one's brothers keeper as prescribed by law.
As per usual, Gringoman has demonstrated little comprehension of law, history, or public policy beyond spouting tough-guy rhetoric he has heard on television.
Compare the tough-guy Gringoman in this post with the milquetoast who wrote about women's haircolor for the Saigon Post when all hell was breaking loose in Vietnam.
Which one is an affectation?

Phil Wedeen

INTERNET FORUM//////Remember how the Obama Administration accused others of planting people at the town hall meetings? Well, as usual, what is good for the liberals is not good for the rest of us!

Check out this Craigs List ad where people are being offered $500.00 per week to DEFEND the Obama Health Care Reform Bill. When you go to this page, notice the TITLE of the page, which is up at the very top of your screen, it says: "DEFEND President Obama's Health Care Plan Over August Recess! $500+/wk.


Here is the link: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...299047025.html

Posted by: gringoman | August 13, 2009 at 01:46 PM

Gringoman seems to be looking for employment in DC... You said earlier that the swastica carved on Rep Scott's door was the work of DEM-OPs so this $500 honorariam for one doings ones civic duty cannot be a plant from Palinphiles?

Gringoman, were is your political hearthrob, Fred 'deadhead' Thompson in the health imbroglio? For that matter the birther palaver?
Give him a call. Nap time is over!
Time for Fred to sheppard the unruly flock of wing-nuts which seems to be as difficult as hearding cats.
Time to zap those catthodes in FT's neck.

SteveOk

All the Democrats care about is maintaining there power base and to ensure that they have a continuous chain of social welfare give away programs that they want to institute as "rights" of the American people. When will it end? Well, who would have ever thought that we would have a $1.8 trillion dollar deficit in one year? Who would have thought that they would go on a crazy spending benge like this? As we see when they are given total power to write blank checks they will spend money like there is no tomorrow. They are like a parent who will never say no to their children when it comes to buying them toys and anything they want. What kind of society do you have when parents refuse to say no? Will it end after they pass health "reform"? Will it end after they pass "cap and tax"? Will it end after they give everyone "free" college tuition? Will it end when they fund all their political campaigns with taxpayer money? Will it end when they bail out their friends in the lamestream media? Will it end when they give everyone free care care? When will it end? When will the children stop asking for more toys? It will never end until the economy goes belly up and we are all working as greeters at Walmart.

Phil Wedeen

Medicine doesn't need middlemen, ceo's, boards, golf courses, and stockholders; it never did. THEY are the poison in the system.

Lance the infected boil. Or die.

Posted by: xbjllb | August 13, 2009 at 02:23 PM

xbjllb hasn't seen Harry & Louise whom by all accounts are now dead notwithstanding that they did get to keep the doctor of their choice back when the Clinton's tried applying the 20th century enlightenment to the health care system in the USA.

Good people Harry & Louise, both equity actors who had long stints in the soaps prior to landing the gig for the insurance companies which made them a household name.
It's said that they were each paid $22k for doing the spot and shared a $160 royalty for each airing.
Harry had been blacklisted during the Red scare because he was a socialist party activist at Dartmouth in the 20's. He later found work in television and kept a low profile and his political views quiet.
It is also said that that a spin-off of Arnez Productions produced and casted the famous Harry & Louise ad and that Harry got chosen over several hundred walk-ons because of his prior work for Arnez.

Louise was apolitical as least as far as the Hollywood blacklists were concerned. She had once said that she was happy to get tapped for the commercial because it helped her to maintain the minimum hours of work required by the union to remain covered b insurance. She had been working summer theatre in Nebraska since her long running role in The Secret Storm ended in the mid 60's.

Harry & Louise were commensurate performers and had convinced a majority of America to suspend disbelief and be pulled into their drama.

Phil Wedeen

Mark Simone also mentioned how the Democrats, including Obama, are bought by the Trial Lawyers of America. If he didn't, Savage has been pointing it out all the time. In Europe, regardless of other problems, trial lawyers are not allowed to run wild like they do in the U.S. and drive doctors into buying huge insurance and also driving them to do many expensive tests in order to protect themselves from the legal jackals. POTUS BamBam, a wholly owned subsidiary of Trial Lawyers, Inc. never gets around to mentioning how the trial lawyers affect health care and its spiraling costs. Wonder why?

Posted by: gringoman | August 13, 2009 at 09:36 AM

Gringoman shows his deftness yet again at not understanding public policy in his own country... All of the 50 states cap med-mal claims as a matter ofpublic policy.
Max recovery (NY, CA FL) $250k. All other states are less.
Europe does not cap med mal claims and the defendant is alway the state under a theory of respondeat-superior.
There the remedy at law is continued med-coverage and lifetime disability payments distributed in a monthly trust commensurate with one's lost earnings. It's a true social system.
But Gringoman heard something else on the radio and becasue he-Gringoman-heard it, it must be so.

So in the USA, take the trial lawyers out, and Gringoman will not be able to sue for his lobotomy...
Okay, forget the suit Gringoman, keep the lobotomy.
Makes you look so Thompsonesque.

gringoman


As per usual, Gringoman has demonstrated little comprehension of law, history, or public policy beyond spouting tough-guy rhetoric he has heard on television.
Compare the tough-guy Gringoman in this post with the milquetoast who wrote about women's haircolor for the Saigon Post when all hell was breaking loose in Vietnam.
Which one is an affectation?

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 13, 2009 at 05:34 PM


In the Socialist Utopia will the old, State-sanctioned cyberstalkers boil the new upstart cyberstalkers in People's Fish Oil? In Quebec will Le Devoir's newly-appointed Commissar ship the pompous little scholars to the Yukon, to learn the ways of Jack London and the Call of the Mensch? Or will they just send them to ACORN Re-education Camp in Obamastan, where the big orderlies will give them some marvelous new exercises in Liberal Racism?

gringoman

Gringoman seems to be looking for employment in DC... You said earlier that the swastica carved on Rep Scott's door was the work of DEM-OPs so this $500 honorariam for one doings ones civic duty cannot be a plant from Palinphiles?

Gringoman, were is your political hearthrob, Fred 'deadhead' Thompson in the health imbroglio? For that matter the birther palaver?
Give him a call. Nap time is over!
Time for Fred to sheppard the unruly flock of wing-nuts which seems to be as difficult as hearding cats.
Time to zap those catthodes in FT's neck.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 13, 2009 at 05:53 PM

If Mother had known that her little one would grow up to be a cyberstalker,not even confirming or denying ACLU affiliation or his true nationality, would she have left it in the tub with the water running?

gringoman

Will it end when they fund all their political campaigns with taxpayer money? Will it end when they bail out their friends in the lamestream media? Will it end when they give everyone free care care? When will it end? When will the children stop asking for more toys? It will never end until the economy goes belly up and we are all working as greeters at Walmart.

Posted by: SteveOk | August 13, 2009 at 05:56 PM

The point is that they and their cyberstalkers and their geeky wonks are not spending their own money. As Margaret Thatcher said, nailing them down for all time, they're spending other people's money. But as their Comrade Lawyer Lenin could tell you, it's all for the good. These wonkers are spending your money for your own good, and the collective's good. Just ask them. One is right here, you may have noticed, like a Marx moth, unable to stay away from the light.

Phil Wedeen

Yep, SteveOK, I'm right here and it's all good.

gringoman

Louise was apolitical as least as far as the Hollywood blacklists were concerned. She had once said that she was happy to get tapped for the commercial because it helped her to maintain the minimum hours of work required by the union to remain covered b insurance. She had been working summer theatre in Nebraska since her long running role in The Secret Storm ended in the mid 60's.

Harry & Louise were commensurate performers and had convinced a majority of America to suspend disbelief and be pulled into their drama.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 13, 2009 at 06:42 PM

When an "educated" cyberstalker on lend-lease from Le Devoir, a paper of 30,000 circulation in Quebec, fails to notice that he is making little sense to anyone here, and appears to be talking to himself, would Canadian socialized medicine pay his way to the US for an Obotomy? If the answer is yes, will he take the benefit? Or, judging by his cyberstalking, has he taken it already?

gringoman

So in the USA, take the trial lawyers out, and Gringoman will not be able to sue for his lobotomy...
Okay, forget the suit Gringoman, keep the lobotomy.
Makes you look so Thompsonesque.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 13, 2009 at 07:07 PM

Actually California is one of the states that have given relief to doctors whose sustenance is devoured by trial lawyers, like the Democrats' famous scumbag John Edwards, due for indictment soon himself.

When a cyberstalker who will not even confirm or deny ACLU affiliation, yet pretends to know the California situation of Trial Lawyers and their medical targets
better than a Michael Savage who has lived there for thirty years, while the cyberstalker pontificates from another country, can we be sure that the ACLU would even help get him through a bar exam?

xbjllb

Get the big corporations out of medicine, and never allow them back, and you'll get your torte reform. Ambulance chasers will chase other things, "torte reform" via attrition; they go where the big money is.

Big money never had a rightful place in medicine, period. Only in fascist nations, like the US, where corporations pimp government "representatives" and political parties. In this case, one far more so than the other.

The GOP aren't necessarily worse than the Democrats; they're just cheaper whores with an infinitely more braindead and easily manipulated base. Tell the base you'll "save" "babies" and they'll hand over their souls and their children without a moment's thought.

Phil Wedeen

Hey Gringoman;

Le Devoir has a circulation of 35000 in the print edition, and I do not have figures for the online edition.
The industry has been taking it on the chin, not because people are not interested in the news but because the industry is losing advertising revenue and haven't figured out how to boost online revenues.

Still the readership of Le Devoir would be as you say 'high-brow' and separatist leaning. I would not say that they are as much pro-Obama as they were anti-Bush; but that does seem to be the international trend, yes? I enjoy holding the paper when at home and online when travelling.
These days we all seem to read many papers and pay particular attention to any news from the empire. Because especially in the area of finance and business, little changes effect us all.
Hope you have time to read it sometime...

gringoman


Quote:
Originally Posted by RJJohnson
Great point gringoman! I've also heard the libs say "Jesus was a socialist." All of a sudden, they got religion . What they haven't got a clue about is that a socialist favors a government that takes your hard-earned money away by force and gives it to someone else. Jesus taught that you should voluntarily of your own free will by your own choice help others. There's a big difference.


////////GRINGOMAN....Exactly. But don't expect Socialist Sammy and his minions, who suddenly get "religion," to understand that. A cyberstalker, spouting legal statutes, will sooner go through the eye of a needle

M/M

What would the Founding Fathers do? Well, what did James Madison, our 4th President and considered as “Father of the Constitution” do in 1792 when debating a bill that would “regulate and subsidise the Cod Fish Industry.”

Madison says:

“For if, in the allowance, nothing more is proposed than a mere reimbursement or the sum advanced, it is only paying a debt; and when we pay a debt, we ought not to claim the merit of granting a bounty.”

Q. Does this mean that we (the taxpayer) should be reimbursed for all the money we are shelling out in these stimulus packages?

Madison on “Limited Government and the Constitution”:

“I, sir, have always conceived--I believe those who proposed the Constitution conceived, and it is still more fully known, and more material to observe that those who ratified the Constitution conceived--that this is not an indefinite Government, deriving its power from the general terms prefixed to the specified powers, but a limited Government tied down to the specified powers which explain and define the general terms. The gentlemen who contend for a contrary doctrine are surely not aware of the consequences which flow from it, and which they must either admit or give up their doctrine.”…


“It is to be recollected that the terms "common defence and general welfare," as here used, are not novel terms, fist introduced into this Constitution. They are terms familiar in their construction, and well known to the people of America. They are repeatedly found in the old Articles of Confederation, where, although they are susceptible of as great latitude as can be given them by the context here, it was never supposed or pretended that they conveyed any such power as is now assigned to them. On the contrary it was always considered as clear and certain that the old Congress was limited to the enumerated powers,and that the enumeration limited and explained the general terms. I ask the gentlemen themselves, whether it ever was supposed or suspected that the old Congress could give away the moneys of the States in bounties, to encourage agriculture, or for any other purpose they pleased? If such a power had been possessed by that body, it would have been much less impotent, or have borne a very different character from that universally ascribed to it. “
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/codfish.html

M/M

"The Mob" 2012

M/M

Congresswomam Sheila Jackson-Lee answers her cell phone while a cancer survivor asks a question at a townhall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FTiGI9I1DI

If we don't have a townhall, we will hold one ourselves, put a sign with the name of our Congressman on it and post it on YouTube.

"The Mob" 2012

M/M

What would the Founding Fathers do? Well, this is what Thomas Jefferson and James Madison did:

“Jefferson warned that raising taxes to finance a growing national debt would spark resistance. But he went well beyond merely counseling the President and wrestling with Hamilton inside the cabinet. In combination with James Madison, Hamilton's erstwhile collaborator in the ratification struggle who had broken with his ally over the Bank of the United States, Jefferson took the lead in organizing a "republican" opposition to Hamilton's "royalists" or "monocrats." He corresponded with activists in several states, toured the back country with Madison in search of supporters, and gave a hack writer a job at the State Department, helping him found a newspaper with which to savage Hamilton (who relied on his own allied newspaper to punch back).”

“and Madison "reminded Congress that in a republican system 'the censorial power is in the people over the government, and not in the government over the people'."
http://tcsdaily.com/Article.aspx?id=081209A

The Mob ‘12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR7HPQM0Jgg

gringoman

NEO-NEOCON


August 12th, 2009
Paglia half gets it, too

I wrote of Peggy Noonan the other day that, although she’s beginning to “get” Obama and what he’s about, she’s only halfway there. Noonan still thinks he’s just receiving bad advice or making missteps, and that he’s not the master of his fate and the captain of his own policies.

I beg to differ. I think he’s revealing his true nature and ideology more and more. But I also know that:

…Noonan (and certain others) who fell for Obama hard during the campaign now find themselves suffering the pangs that disappointed lovers often feel, and a similar reluctance to face the truth that they were hoodwinked and used by a con artist.

Happens all the time…But as I said, hope dies hard. Very hard indeed.

Now comes Camille Paglia, a very different sort from Noonan but suffering from a version of the same problem. Paglia liked (and still likes) and supports Obama. But her innate honesty and common sense in some areas (not foreign policy, unfortunately) forces her into noticing just how terrible he’s been as President.

Read Paglia’s recent piece in Salon, and you’ll witness a person struggling with the clash of prior beliefs vs. present observations. If Obama is so smart, and good, and well-meaning, then why is he doing all these bad (or stupid, or destructive) things?

As so many others have done, Paglia blames Obama’s failings on bad advice. Just get rid of the bad company he keeps, and all will be well. She ignores the fact that Obama picked many of these people (not Pelosi, of course, but the non-elected ones), and that furthermore he’s been surrounded by bad company all his life.

What’s more, as he so often and repetitively reminds us, he’s the President. He sets the agenda. He can fight or criticize Pelosi or the DNC or the health care reform bill or the specifics in it if he wants to. Clearly, for the most part he does not want to, except on very rare occasions, obliquely and weakly and through third persons.

But Paglia can’t recognize that Obama is the major architect of his own policies—not yet, at least. She blames everyone else (and also seems to hold a completely bizarre perception of the cold and ruthless Axelrod as charming):

I must confess my dismay bordering on horror at the amateurism of the White House apparatus for domestic policy. When will heads start to roll? I was glad to see the White House counsel booted, as well as Michelle Obama’s chief of staff, and hope it’s a harbinger of things to come. Except for that wily fox, David Axelrod, who could charm gold threads out of moonbeams, Obama seems to be surrounded by juvenile tinhorns, bumbling mediocrities and crass bully boys.

Paglia sees the problem with the health care reform bill clearly enough, and expresses her frustration with vigor (I’m editing out the obligatory swipes at Bush and Iraq that pepper her prose):

There is plenty of blame to go around. Obama’s aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land. The president is promoting [a] colossal, brazen bait-and-switch operation…

You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you’re happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.

Paglia confesses her confusion, though, as to Obama’s motives. This is where she (like so many others) shows her reluctance to follow her own line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, and to blame Obama himself fully and squarely. In an analogy I’ve used before (and will probably use again), Paglia is like a wife who’s found the lipstick on the collar and all the little love notes to another woman, and is still so in love with her husband and so desirous of saving her marriage that she’s struggling against accepting the truth that she’s been betrayed by a stinker.

But Paglia’s still thinking, at least, and asking the right questions:

I just don’t get it. Why the insane rush to pass a bill, any bill, in three weeks? And why such an abject failure by the Obama administration to present the issues to the public in a rational, detailed, informational way? The U.S. is gigantic; many of our states are bigger than whole European nations. The bureaucracy required to institute and manage a nationalized health system here would be Byzantine beyond belief and would vampirically absorb whatever savings Obama thinks could be made. And the transition period would be a nightmare of red tape and mammoth screw-ups, which we can ill afford with a faltering economy.

Girlfriend, let me help out and connect the dots for you. The insane rush, the failure to give the American people the details, are purposeful and not accidental. They are cheating on us, and “they” includes Obama.

They are lying, and they know it. Have you not seen this video?

Those “soothing lullaby tones” you hear are the sound of con artists trying to sweet talk us, to rush us into accepting an agenda that is quite different from the one they are pretending to offer: one that will grow government, increase their power, and end up crowding out private health insurance, rationing health care in a more draconian fashion, lining the pockets of their friends and supporters, demonizing capitalism, and socializing medicine as a step in their continuing quest to socialize this country.

What would it take to get Paglia and so many others to see this? A lot, because it involves a very basic change of perception, a loss of faith in their own previous judgment about Obama and the Democrats as a whole. Apparently not even the following is enough to cause Paglia to feel buyer’s remorse about her vote:

The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.

If that’s not enough to constitute a smoking gun for Paglia, what would be?

Posted by neo-neocon at 3:35 pm. Filed under: Press, Health, Obama

http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/12/paglia-half-gets-it-too/

Phil Wedeen

Gringoman seems to have declared war on the USA. At least as far as the shrill rhetoric. If the Us does move more towards a social democracy be sure that Gringoman will line up for his share of the entitlement pie.
Does anyone else see that with him its just one grand conspiracy after another...
Well some like to bite the hand that feeds.
Such uninformed fear from an otherwise intelligent person with a messy coffee table.
Let's hope that the reforms are as modest as the sincerity against reform. That will help the blood pressure.
So would getting involved with the process. But i never hear gringoman say, 'I attended this meeting and...", or 'I testified at this hearing regarding this piece of legislation'
Instead we get protracted articles from the professional lunatic fringe which go nowhere and say nothing.

gringoman

ACORN IN OBAMASTAN

31. Dananana:

Last night, my husband and I attended a Town Hall meeting, armed with four legitimate questions for our representative. The room was packed….we were standing outside the room with about one hundred people who,also, could not enter the packed room.
We began talking with a policeman and a elderly man who was retired from the VA. Neither one of them liked the healthcare package as proposed by Emporer Obama. In the middle of the meeting (we could not hear a word of it) two twenty-something young woman came out and asked the policeman for help. This is what happened. Two very large men from ACORN (they were wearing bright red T-shirts that said ACORN) surrouded the woman in the meeting and told them that the reason they were there (the young woman) was becasue they hated Obama because he was black. One of the women said “I have MS…and I want to know what is going to happen to me under his plan). The man put his cell phone in her face to take her photo. When she put up her hand in front of her face, he started yelling, “She is attacking me. She is hitting me.” The girl did not even touch him or his cell phone. So they came out to ask the policeman to help them…and to escort them to their car. He (and my husband and I) escorted them to his car so that he could give them a ride to their car, which was located across the parkig lot. They were completely shook up and frightened that this man and his three coharts who followed all of us out of the building, were going to follow them home and hurt them. The large man from ACORN said that he called the sheriff and was going to press charges. The policeman talked to them for a long time…..diffusing the “made-up” situation and then drove the women to their car. So…this is how ACORN operates. Just wanted to let you all know…..these people were looking for someone vulnerable to create a big stir and to try to discredit the other folks at the meeting….who are concerned (like me) about losing our freedom of choice.
Aug 13, 2009 - 5:56 am

Phil Wedeen

The GOP aren't necessarily worse than the Democrats; they're just cheaper whores with an infinitely more braindead and easily manipulated base. Tell the base you'll "save" "babies" and they'll hand over their souls and their children without a moment's thought.


Posted by: xbjllb | August 13, 2009 at 08:27 PM

Excellent point!

Babies in the USA, not foreign babies which often are more expendable than Dr Tiller.
Sounds as if the body politic could use a house cleaning.
Why don't you folks so disaffected with the status-quo invest in third parties? Most of the West has at least three in contention at any given time.
From gringoman's tone it seems the republicans may be too tame for his blood.
Torture is not good enough in less it's done with relish. I hear that Cheney came out swinging today basically calling Bush's second term as a wuss.
Likewise (and despite what I read here) the american left is fed-up with Obama because he welshed on his promises.
So why not a far right and marxist left competing at the polls?
Do the two ruling institutions have a deal and curtail any rival getting oxygen?
All you folks are so full of yourselves with the bluster about RINO's and withholding support so why don't you feel that you are being played for chumps and take action?
Too lazy? Or is it that at some level you understand that the entire system is rigged against the people?
Finally, was the revolution against Britain really about personal emancipation or was it to create a new elite?

Dgscol

There was once a company called Prudential - I hear their rates are still low, and they are running a dandy hedge fund, to cave in the competition.

Phil Wedeen

Just where are these Gringofriends?


"Quote:
Originally Posted by RJJohnson
Great point gringoman! I've also heard the libs say "Jesus was a socialist." All of a sudden, they got religion . What they haven't got a clue about is that a socialist favors a government that takes your hard-earned money away by force and gives it to someone else. Jesus taught that you should voluntarily of your own free will by your own choice help others. There's a big difference.


////////GRINGOMAN....Exactly. But don't expect Socialist Sammy and his minions, who suddenly get "religion," to understand that. A cyberstalker, spouting legal statutes, will sooner go through the eye of a needle

Posted by: gringoman | August 13, 2009 at 08:48 PM

RJ Johnson doesn't post anything on this blog. Where are these imports coming from that are so devoid of context like a story coming straight out of the Saigon Post.

Perhaps RJ is just an undigested bit of beef, a lump of cheese, a ghost whose coming was not foretold to us.
Harvey. The speaker who seems flummoxed over Jesus, socialism, and the birth pangs of liberation theology, is a rabbit named Harvey.
Only Gringoman can see and speak to Harvey... we are not free to x-examine.
Perhaps this rabbit hops to this modest berg from a major blog.
Roll-up. Rollup for the magical mystery blog.

How can one say that they are wrong about socialism?
We have to take on Jesus, gringoman, and the mystery rabbit, RJ.
Maybe pal Jesus can tell them about the boss who paid the grape-pickers a days wage whether they showed up at 6am or 4pm. Or just tell gringoman and he'll tell the rabbit.

But Jesus is not relevant to determining the economic system. It should be done via statute. All this talk about hard-earned money is pure hogwash.
Most monied live on passive income; that is the rents and profits of surplus value generated through the system of employment/ownership.
When the investment bellies-up the gov't reimburses. Thus far the social largesse has been larded on the wealthy. Gringo and the rabbit want some scratch too.

They'll say that Jesus blessed them for all their hard work or at the very least credit the rabbit's foot.

EminemsRevenge

Isn't it touching when the secularistas, Socialist Sammy and their ignorant minions deign to tell us about the Bible and what it says and what it means? Why do they sound like organ grinders trying to instruct us on what is far over their heads---like the flight of birds?

There's very few "secularists" in the Black community GRINGOman...you brood of vipers BETTER be praying that the is no god, because the road to hell is paved with "good christians" like YOU

DJ

- "There's very few "secularists" in the Black community"

This is true. Take the Country of Haiti for instance. There is a saying in Haiti: "Haitians are 90% Catholic, but 100% Voodoo." :-)

xbjllb

"Babies in the USA, not foreign babies which often are more expendable than Dr Tiller."

----

Thanks! Absolutely, the only babies the GOP base are interested in "saving" are unborn American WASP ones. Even as our now seemingly retired Tel-Aviv ZioUmmah would certainly spit out (and in all probability, already did) with a straight face "one American unborn is worth a million Islamic babies and children already born wiped off the map."

What Ummah and her ilk never fully understood: Israel was merely the last country on the list of Mideast nations destined for US endless occupation.

gringoman

Gringoman seems to have declared war on the USA. At least as far as the shrill rhetoric. If the Us does move more towards a social democracy be sure that Gringoman will line up for his share of the entitlement pie.
Does anyone else see that with him its just one grand conspiracy after another...
Well some like to bite the hand that feeds.
Such uninformed fear from an otherwise intelligent person with a messy coffee table.
Let's hope that the reforms are as modest as the sincerity against reform. That will help the blood pressure.
So would getting involved with the process. But i never hear gringoman say, 'I attended this meeting and...", or 'I testified at this hearing regarding this piece of legislation'
Instead we get protracted articles from the professional lunatic fringe which go nowhere and say nothing.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM


How many cyberstalkers can fit on a pin-head? Does it equal the number who will not confirm or deny ACLU affiliation?

Answer: MIT is still doing the math.

Ree

So Whats up with Bozeman, Montana, and what is the HRDC community organization?

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/08/tgif-circus-life-bozeman-montana-high.html

gringoman

“It is to be recollected that the terms "common defence and general welfare," as here used, are not novel terms, fist introduced into this Constitution.

Posted by: M/M | August 13, 2009 at 08:55 PM

M/M,

Today that is nothing but what the Geeky Wonks say it is. This has become crystal clear from Clinton through Bush through the most sinister of all the Ivy League Dreck, POTUS-O, These wonkers and tax cheats, who created the financial calamities they are now purportedly "bailing" us out of with their stimulus swindles, are even proud of what they are. You can see this by the "anti-imperialist" and "educated" cyberstalker who "instructs" us from across the border.

gringoman

Posted by: xbjllb | August 13, 2009 at 08:27 PM

Excellent point!....


Why don't you folks so disaffected with the status-quo invest in third parties? Most of the West has at least three in contention at any given time.
From gringoman's tone it seems the republicans may be too tame for his blood.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Cyberstalker, embracing 'Bush Did 9.11'.

The beginning of something?

Let us not to the marriage of truefellas admit impediments.


gringoman

But Jesus is not relevant to determining the economic system. It should be done via statute. All this talk about hard-earned money is pure hogwash.
Most monied live on passive income; that is the rents and profits of surplus value generated through the system of employment/ownership.
When the investment bellies-up the gov't reimburses. Thus far the social largesse has been larded on the wealthy. Gringo and the rabbit want some scratch too.

They'll say that Jesus blessed them for all their hard work or at the very least credit the rabbit's foot.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 14, 2009 at 12:38 AM

In Obamastan, will it be scientifically possible to create socialist cyberstalkers in the laboratory?

gringoman

Isn't it touching when the secularistas, Socialist Sammy and their ignorant minions deign to tell us about the Bible and what it says and what it means? Why do they sound like organ grinders trying to instruct us on what is far over their heads---like the flight of birds?

There's very few "secularists" in the Black community GRINGOman...you brood of vipers BETTER be praying that the is no god, because the road to hell is paved with "good christians" like YOU

Posted by: EminemsRevenge | August 14, 2009 at 07:46 AM

And this is how an angry Black Libman reacts after offered the possibility of hooking up with "anti-imperialist" and "anti-racist" Quebec, where a Get-Whitey oeuvre might find a worshipful audience. Comrade Wedeen might even review it for Le Devoir, you idiot!

Got to hand it to the Arabs. They seem to know that blacks won't dare get angry at them, despite all....all...all.... those centuries of....of you know what....Or do you know what?....Or would you rather not know what?

gringoman

- "There's very few "secularists" in the Black community"

This is true. Take the Country of Haiti for instance. There is a saying in Haiti: "Haitians are 90% Catholic, but 100% Voodoo." :-)

Posted by: DJ | August 14, 2009 at 08:41 AM

Bingo! And some form of that is very alive and well in Africa, as I heard on, of all places, BBC Radio (they can still do some excellent documentaries.) Children who are believed possessed by "evil spirits" can be tortured and killed, and are. It was quite hideous. Congo, I think. As blacks all over the US in churches etc for decades have been lectured about the "White devils" and the "ice people" etc (bet ER could give us some interesting sermons)I wonder if they are ever told about what's really going on back in the Mother Land. Of course, they'll never be told about the nightmare side of the history with Arabs (muslim gold will staunch that.)Obama's muslim friends would censor anything about that. It complicates the history of black slavery too much.

gringoman

Isn't it touching when the secularistas, Socialist Sammy and their ignorant minions deign to tell us about the Bible and what it says and what it means? Why do they sound like organ grinders trying to instruct us on what is far over their heads---like the flight of birds?

There's very few "secularists" in the Black community GRINGOman...you brood of vipers BETTER be praying that the is no god, because the road to hell is paved with "good christians" like YOU

Posted by: EminemsRevenge | August 14, 2009 at 07:46 AM

And this is how an angry Black Libman reacts after offered the possibility of hooking up with "anti-imperialist" and "anti-racist" Quebec, where a Get-Whitey oeuvre might find a worshipful audience. Comrade Wedeen might even review it for Le Devoir, you idiot!

Got to hand it to the Arabs. They seem to know that blacks won't dare get angry at them, despite all....all...all.... those centuries of....of you know what....Or do you know what?....Or would you rather not know what?

Posted by: gringoman | August 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I shouldn't have called ER an 'idiot.' I haven't seen his medical records or the reults of psychiatric tests he may have taken. I should have said, "Displaying an obvious desire to have one's black oeuvre promoted, and yet passing up a blatant opportunity to run it by an "anti-racist" and "anti-imperialist" associated with the Quebec Liberation Front,and the publication Le Devoir, such as Comrade Wedeen (currently here on cyberstalker duty), a Left personage who is seeking to enlighten American oppressors and thereby give succor to their victims---well, such insouciance strikes me as derelict, one might even say id--ee--o--tic.

gringoman

SEAN HANNITY: "Sarah Palin was right!"

Hannity and others are pointing out that after Palin was denounced for her "ignorant" remark on Obamacare's "Death Panels," the masters of Obamacare are now removing that from their thousand pages of Obamacare.
They are claiming that the language has been misinterpreted.

Shall we score this?:

"Unsophisticated" Palin: 1
Harvard Obama: 0

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