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May 08, 2009

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Dgscol

I just wanted to say that Rielle has probably been taken out of context. She was merely referring to John's response to the Hollywood lighting. Now, maybe John took it the wrong way, I could not say.

I am surprised. You know Nixon had the same problem, so Monica should know about this. You have to change the light bulb.

Dgscol

Nancy, soto voce, has admitted she knew and unfortunately, it was discovered that she knew.

This thing now is like an ugly boyfriend out of her past - but should she be beset and beseiged for having tacitly agreed to waterboarding? It may have legs but Nancy has lots of issues that are better pursued than this one.

I apologize for my humor, but politics can be so depressing, that humor, however derived, is one's last refuge. What if Obama nominates an ACORN member to the court, that will include foreign law into court decisions, subsuming the US and its Constitution to international agreements? I would rather laugh about anything than to worry about this, but still who could not help but worry?

ThePaganTemple

The word nunnery, according to something I read long ago, has nothing to do with a convent, but rather is a Middle English word for brothel. As Speaker of The House of Representatives, Pelosi is not only already in the "nunnery", she is the Madame of it.

The thought of anybody actually paying to have sex with her is both disgusting and ridiculous at the same time.

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Kingofthenet

Race War Lyrics:
Black against white
Yellow versus red
The fighting won’t stop
Until we’re all dead

Burning, looting, riots destroy the masses
Nightfall, brings death, city reduced to ashes

Don’t call me your brother
’cause I ain’t your fucking brother
We fell from different cunts
And your skins an ugly color

Race war
We’re going to a race war
Hate war
We’re going to a hate war

Bloodshed, rampage, torture is not subsiding
Chaos, bedlam, violent ethnic uprising

Moslems against christians
And the arabs versus jews
The catholic and protestants
No one wins we all lose

Everybody’s gonna die

Xenophobic tendencies
Instilled in us at birth
Are misabled racism
Hostilities getting worse
Accept the fact my distant cousin
We cannot live in peace
Isolated environments
May just be the key

Human beings suspicious
Soon fear grows to hate
We’ll have each other by the throat
When forced to integrate
Mothers watch their children die
At each other’s hand
Cain and able set the course
Ethnocentric command

Race war
Hate war

xbjllb

Under the heading of: "First cast the beam out of your own eye before removing the speck from your brother's eye", or more simply: "After you, Madam...":

I'll make you a deal Monica; we'll bend Nancy Pelosi over and spank her bare rear on live TV the very day after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Scalia, and Harris are hung by the necks until they are dead on the National Mall in Washington DC, after their conviction for treason re: 9-11 and the installed "Presidency" of George Dubyah Bush that made it all possible.

I.E., when hell freezes over.

Pot, please quit calling the kettle black. It's most unbecoming, a complete and utter waste of time, and far beneath you.

About your last show: You might want to try being waterboarded at least once before you defend it a single second longer. It's a very uncomfortable way to spend eternity.

M/M

The word nunnery, according to something I read long ago, has nothing to do with a convent, but rather is a Middle English word for brothel. As Speaker of The House of Representatives, Pelosi is not only already in the "nunnery", she is the Madame of it.

Nancy Pelosi is indeed the Madame of the Nunnery. Look how the ELECTED WHORES take our tax dollars and dole it out to the special interests against our will.

ThePaganTemple

XBLJB-

"I'll make you a deal Monica; we'll bend Nancy Pelosi over and spank her bare rear on live TV the very day after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Scalia, and Harris are hung by the necks until they are dead on the National Mall in Washington DC, after their conviction for treason re: 9-11 and the installed "Presidency" of George Dubyah Bush that made it all possible."

God, but you are really dumber than a box of rocks aren't you? Seeing as how Bush and Cheney were only in office for eight months when 9/11 happened, is it all right if we string Clinton and Gore up along with them?

And under what delusional state of mind does waterboarding anybody last for an eternity? Why don't you guys just admit that you want to destroy America and get it over with? Failing that, admit that sometimes we might have to do some things that aren't so pleasant when interrogating terrorist suspects.

For example, every now and then, we might have to keep them up an hour or two past their bed time.

You guys kill me. And if we keep listening to you, you're going to kill us all.

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thorn66

"Pelosi needs to step down. She's a shameless liar about a critical life-and-death issue for the American people. She is unfit to lead."

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Typical right-wing logic and hypocrisy. Bush lied to the whole world when he said "the U.S. does not torture". Wasn't he a shameless liar? Why do right-wingers like Crowley get so politically-correct when it comes to this topic. Why does she keep using the term "enhanced interrogation techniques"? Why not just say, "we believe that torture against 'evil-doers' is justified because this is a life and death situation, and if we coddle terrorists, they'll see it as a sign of weakness and destroy our way of life" I'd much rather see the debate get more honest and "real". Right wingers believe torture is okay, liberals don't. Let's talk about that.

Kingofthenet

Typical right-wing logic and hypocrisy. Bush lied to the whole world when he said "the U.S. does not torture". Wasn't he a shameless liar? Why do right-wingers like Crowley get so politically-correct when it comes to this topic. Why does she keep using the term "enhanced interrogation techniques"? Why not just say, "we believe that torture against 'evil-doers' is justified because this is a life and death situation, and if we coddle terrorists, they'll see it as a sign of weakness and destroy our way of life" I'd much rather see the debate get more honest and "real". Right wingers believe torture is okay, liberals don't. Let's talk about that.


That's pretty much it...They do BELIEVE in Torture, they REALLY do.It's kinda like 'Global Warming' the rest of us believe is Science and OUR OWN EYE'S when the fact's are presented to us. These Miscreants don't care about that, hey have there 'OWN' world view that say's something like this is a CONSPIRACY of the ELITE to harm America. No Photo's or Data will change their WARPED view.

gringoman

Posted by: xbjllb | May 09, 2009 at 03:16 AM

The Founding Fathers MAY have meant God when they referred to "Divine Providence", but when they said "God" they were referring to Lucifer, their "Great Architect of the Universe."
Posted by: xbjllb | May 09, 2009 at 03:16 AM
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Gringoman, this is offensive.

Posted by: M/M | May 09, 2009 at 06:55 AM

M/M,

Previously I posted on the problem of discourse with the kooky. It's like trying to drink from a broken glass. It's messy and you might wind up needing a band-aid, even antibiotics.

But if that's your glass of....whatever, and Monica doesn't mind troll dementia and the real skinny on how Bush took down the Twin Towers....

gringoman

M/M,

Monica could ban the kook squad any time, or at the very least publicize their IPS numbers. Since she does not, even when insulted obscenely, isn't it fair to hail her humanitarianism and dub them "Monica's Miscreants"?

gringoman

M/M,

Maybe you're distracted by the way that Monica's Miscreants, the trolling Kook Strike Force, go on and yada-yada about "George Washington the Satanist" and "George Bush who created 9.11" and of course"Dick Cheney the Monster Torturer" etc.

You still don't get it? Maybe you're missing what taking down the "Evil White Patriarchy" is really all about. A relevant post on it is now at http://www.gringoman.com/ In fact, gringoVision, amazingly, has condensed it into four words which even the untutored can understand.

THE GAYING OF AMERICA.

ThePaganTemple

I hate to break it to all the leftist morons of the world, but when we have terrorism suspects in custody and we need information, we have a right to ask them for more than their name, rank, and serial number. I don't care what the bigots at CAIR tell you. We also have a right to incarcerate these people when we catch them red-handed engaged in violent activities against the US military, or against civilians anywhere we catch them doing so, at any time we catch them doing so.

I can see where this is going. Before long, the mere act of detaining a Muslim individual is going to become an unwarranted civil rights violation, regardless of what they may have done to warrant the incarceration.

You leftist turd-blossoms are so obvious you're sickening. Although I do concede there are a significant number of you who honestly do believe this bilge you spout, for no other reason than you are just that stupid. Try thinking for yourself for a change, instead of swallowing and regurgitating the latest leftist talking points.

No one is for torture, for the most part, although I would be quite fine with it under the right circumstances. But that's not even the point. The point is, most of this stuff you whiny punks are pontificating about doesn't even come close to the standard definition of torture.

I can settle this real quick. Even though the Geneva Conventions don't really apply to non-military civilian combatants, and most especially doesn't apply to people who target civilians, let's just drop the whole thing. Let's put an end to the Geneva Conventions. Seriously, when were they implemented. Wasn't it after the end of World War I?

How many of our opponents have actually adhered to them? Out of all the foes we have fought, name me one who has adhered to them. Ironically, the closest ones to adhere to them, to my knowledge, as pertaining to American prisoners, were the Nazis. And they left quite a bit to be desired as well. But they were regular princes of civilization compared to what we put up with from the Japanese, the Vietnamese, the Koreans, and when you get right down to it, from the Arab Muslim fanatics whenever they can get close to one of us with a rusty blade, duct tape, and a cheap video recorder.

Give me a break with this hypocritical nonsense. The US not only has a right to do anything it deems necessary to protect US civilians, it has an obligation to do so. Furthermore, we have been victimized by our foes in defiance of the Geneva Conventions so many times over the years, we are well within our rights to declare them null and void.

A contract is a contract, a--holes, and this contract has been ripped apart so many times its too tattered to take seriously any longer.

Furthermore, anybody that says we should be "better than them" is as far as I'm concerned a racist bigot. Why should we be "better than them"? Because we're smarter, more sophisticated, prettier? Is it in our genetic make-up to be "better than them", by any chance?

http://ThePaganTemple.Blogspot.com

gringoman

JOHNAH GOLDBERG, author of LIBERAL FASCISM My ideal ticket in 2008 would have been Cheney-Gramm. That's right, Dick Cheney and Phil Gramm, two old white guys who would crush our enemies and liberate our economy while shouting, "You kids get off my lawn!" at the filthy hippies who would inevitably accumulate outside the White House.

M/M,

Doesn't sound like Goldberg thinks Cheney and Gramm would allow the trolling "Monica's Miscreants" on their lawns. Guess they're too old and too white.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05092009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/gop_needs_its_own_barack_obama_168341.htm

SteveOk

(Kingofthenuts)That's pretty much it...They do BELIEVE in Torture, they REALLY do.It's kinda like 'Global Warming' the rest of us believe is Science and OUR OWN EYE'S when the fact's are presented to us. These Miscreants don't care about that, hey have there 'OWN' world view that say's something like this is a CONSPIRACY of the ELITE to harm America. No Photo's or Data will change their WARPED view.
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Very arrogant and elistist. Ok, so you elitists leftwing snobs declare it "torture" and "science" and anyone who doesn't agree with your politically correct "science" is an ignorant liar? You have a very little mind that doesn't allow any other view to contradict your perverted dogma. Same with global warming. You declare it "scientific fact" and anyone that disagrees with your worldview beliefs are unscientific and ignorant.

Germany in WWII believed that "science" should be the overriding factor in all decisions also and they allowed their "scientists" to conduct experiments in anything they wanted including medical research on human beings against their will.

Excuse me, but science is not my God and when some politician and leftwing nut tells me they know the science and the facts and I should just shut up, I want to shove a stimulus package up their ***.

SteveOk

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE: Nancy Peloser is third in line to the President as Speaker of the House. She told a bold face lie about an important national security issue. Since 2002 she had every opportunity to complain and speak out about waterboarding. IN FACT THE DEMOCRATS GAINED CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 2006 AND SHE COULD HAVE INSISTED ON ENDING THE PRACTICE. The fact is she didn't do anything and in fact continue funding Gitmo and our policies.

Monica, you are absolutely right, she should step down as Speaker of the House. We don't need a crazy liar that is third in line as President. She is no better than Blago. She is a disgrace to our country and a humiliation to the Congress.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

SteveOk

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE CONT: If a politician or leftwing nut tells you they have the science and facts consider them like a nutty TV Evangelist who tells you they know God and God wants you to send your money to them. Turn the Channel and don't listen to the idiot because he is a liar and scammer and wants your money. IT'S THE SAME THING WITH A POLITICIAN WHO TELLS YOU HE KNOWS THE SCIENCE, HE JUSTS WANTS YOUR MONEY (IN THE FORM OF MORE TAXES). IT'S A SCAM and an outrage.

gringoman

from RADIO MONICA (ABC) today Saturday May 09, 2009)

Monica takes a good whack at James Carville and his sleazy age-ism (Carville's interview with Don Imus was reviewed and analyzed by gringoVision at AMERICAN DAUGHTER, and I think here too a week ago) Carville tried to demean the nationwide Tea Parties: "A bunch of cranky 65-year old white guys."

1.gV might have replied, "James, were you there? Really?

Monica of course responded with the "youth" that conservatives are attracting, much to the apprehension of the Dems.

Okay, but GRINGOBRO would also have pointed out what should be obvious by now to the perceptive, even to Republicans. (Has Monica never read anything from GRINGOBRO's YOU LIBERAL RACIST, YOU? Does she think he's just playing, or doesn't know what he's rapping about?) Carville was doing a textbook demonstration of what a liberal racist is. Instead of addressing the burning economic and tax issue of the Tea Parties, he went instinctively to color. He showed himself to be another race racketeer. It's what the white lib and his black hacks do automatically. They know that most Republicans are too clueless or too craven to counter-attack. Even our Warrior Princess, who is probably not afraid of them, let Carville get away with this obscenity. And you wonder why the Elephants are now squeezed into a doghouse? You wonder why they look like weenies who are always on the defensive?

gringoman

More from RADIO MONICA today Sat May 09, 2009)

Monica made an excellent point about the new jobless figures which I really did not hear anywhere else. She said that the new figures were lower than last month because (or was it partly because) the Bamanites hired 66,000 for the Census. i.e. Government "jobs." More Guvmint.

Okay. She went into this. Very good. But why did she stop there? It was posted here previously that Rahm "Dead Fish" Emmanuel is doing a pre-Census GPS targeting of every residence in the uS. They hired 140, 000 for this! Links were posted.

I know. The original idea for this GPS privacy invasion came under George Bush. But was it ever implemented, and like "Deadfish" is doing it, and with such breakneck speed and overlooked by the Lamestream "reporters"? It's not even worthy of mention pro or con? Yo, Monica.

Suggestion: Sweetheart, why not read your weblog?

gringoman

More from RADIO MONICA

I was offended by all the "age-ism" today (See, sometimes you don't have to be a white lib or one of their black hacks in order to be "offended.")

Monica, understandably, was set off by the liberal racist James Carville and his "old white guys" slur about the Tea Parties. Understood.

Monica is promoting a rapper, HI CALIBER, who is YOUNG and CONSERVATIVE. Fine. Understood. Republicans have to reach out.

Monica, obviously rankling from Carville, told us how so many "young people" are coming out conservative. Fine. Understood.

However, the Carvillian slur must get an even deeper response. Here is a challenge to Mr. Carville: If there is any attractive female who will more or less do what you say, Mr. Carville, appoint her on a night of mutual convenience with a certain well-aged gringoman. And forget the obvious jokes. Said well-aged gringoman will submit to any medical exam to prove he is Viagra-free. The morning after, see if the gal describes him as "a cranky old gringoman." (This can be done under oath, if need be.) Are you on?

ps. Said gringoman must agree that the gal is sufficiently attractive. He MUST find her to be such. Otherwise, we leave her to James Carville.

Ree

Happy Mother’s Day to All You Mothers :)

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/05/happy-mothers-day-to-all-you-mothers.html

Ree

You will love this -this is the fruit of the love of your countrymen bears. It is sad warning, Marines sacrificed but left an imprint forever.

http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2009/05/thankyou_ms_mil.html

Dgscol

Obama's explanation of GPS observations at your doorstep:

"Imagine, if you will, that there are a number of people in a neighborhood that could not find the addresses they are tasked with finding. They are not locals, maybe are unable to read a map, or perhaps do not have the time to pull out a map, and they need to find you with specific GPS coordinates. Their devices would lead them to your front door with these coordinates. Imagine a crisis is afoot, and martial law is put into place. U.S. troops need to round up particular folks."

"Let's take this a step further. After all, to decrease the number of folks in the military, and with forces committed worldwide, we may not have sufficient military forces at home to deal with a rising national emergency. If the government decided to rely on foreign troops, perhaps United Nations personnel, most of which may not understand the street signs, much less know the lay of the land, they could use GPS devices to direct them to your front door."

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Is this the way to do the census? Why not let Commerce do it, which is the normal way? Clearly, there are neighborhoods who will not welcome these public servants. May as well ask them if they have firearms or VD.

Dgscol

The solution to activities at GITMO may be to ask the islamic people from there if they feel they have been treated unfairly. If they rant and rave, of course, they should not be released.

xbjllb

I've never seen more cons shills threatened by the simple truth of established history in my life. Freemasonry is what it is, folks.

Really, by all means, keep the circus going. The more you doth protest, the more you expose.

Remember this; the truth is always simple. In any crime, WHO BENEFITED THE MOST? Hint: Not an asshole CIA asset bed buddy (literally) of the Bush Family in rags in a cave on dialysis.

The rest really is desperate bullshit. As if anyone believes your Goebbels spin for a single second.

That Kool-aid is fatal boys. And like meth, sometimes every bit as fatal for the cookers as it is for the users. Sometimes even more so.

Word to the wise.

xbjllb

P.S. Really, guys, you don't have to try so hard. I bear tidings of great joy to all Republicans: A GOP rebound is GUARANTEED after the Obama Depression fully hits and this phony stock market suckers' rally tanks and the Dow hits 4000. By the 2010 midterms.

And when you finally let the truth fly about Obama's Kenyan birth and non-US citizenship, you can Strauss waltz the Terminator into office in 2012 after the Democratic Congress quickly and retroactively guts the Constitutional requirement for a President to be a natural-born citizen of the United States. And then we can enjoy a full-blooded son of an Austrian Nazi in the White House, with the added cachet of the Kennedy dynasty to boot! Talk about bipartisanship! Sure beats the Bush dynasty, doesn't it? (Although Jeb's the only one with a shred of decency and the only one I like... he'll be Arnold's veep.)

As Arnold loves to say "I'll be back."

Obama's karma for no woman president for another 50 years? No "black" President again for at least a century.

No wonder Jesse Jackson Sr. was in tears.

ThePaganTemple

Oh so now I see that Bush and Cheney had something to do with 9/11, because they obviously benefited from it in some clever way that has sure got by me.

And now come to find out, the Masons are involved. I bet those Shriner clowns are the ring leaders. Those are some evil little dwarves. I think they might be aliens from some far away galaxy.

I think I might be on to their sinister plans. If anybody like XBLJB realizes the truth about them, they brainwash us all into thinking they are crazier than hell.

http://ThePaganTemple.Blogspot.com/

mjfell

Under the heading of: "First cast the beam out of your own eye before removing the speck from your brother's eye", or more simply: "After you, Madam...":

I'll make you a deal Monica; we'll bend Nancy Pelosi over and spank her bare rear on live TV the very day after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Scalia, and Harris are hung by the necks until they are dead on the National Mall in Washington DC, after their conviction for treason re: 9-11 and the installed "Presidency" of George Dubyah Bush that made it all possible.

I.E., when hell freezes over.

Pot, please quit calling the kettle black. It's most unbecoming, a complete and utter waste of time, and far beneath you.

About your last show: You might want to try being waterboarded at least once before you defend it a single second longer. It's a very uncomfortable way to spend eternity.

Posted by: xbjllb | May 09, 2009 at 03:00 AM

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ROFLMAO!

And you're a concerned Conservative Christian who voted for McCain.

Right...

And Chappaquiddick was the highlight of "Uncle Teddy's" political career.

xbjllb

News flash: Jesus Christ wasn't a conservative Christian. He was a libertarian who didn't believe in government or political power at all and let people do as they wanted to. After merely telling them of the consequences.

The conservative Christians of His day (or Jews if you prefer) were the Pharisees. He didn't approve of them. Not at all.

As for me, don't even try to figure me out or pin me down.

As one of our nations' early flags said "Don't fence me in."

Corral me, and when you go to get me, I'll be long gone.

As far as Bush and Cheney benefiting from 9-11, how could I have forgotten that Cheney actually lost millions during the last eight years.

Oh wait, what's that you say? He quintupled his portfolio? And how'd the Bush family do?

Duh. Two words for you guys: Get real. If you're going to really get over in 2010 and 2012, you're going to have to be a lot smarter than you've been.

Like Monica. She leaves der Ann Coulter stupidity to Ann, who does it more pathetically than anyone else.

Hint one at a comeback: Dump the Bushes and the Christianist BS. The military and the CIA did long ago. It was a matter of absolute survival. The stench of treason is very hard to shake off. Sometimes you have to excise the cancer in order to survive.

This is definitely one of those times. Learn from your critics.

ThePaganTemple

Wow. The Xbljb person whines about people fencing him in and trying to corral him, then he has the temerity to arbitrarily state that no less a personage than Jesus Christ is presumably like him in just about every particular. Hey dude, its been a couple of weeks since Easter, has the stigmata cleared up yet?

I'm not a Christian, and I'm not even sure Christ even existed, but as a person from the outside looking in, and clearly, I'm going to guess if you had to pigeonhole the guy, he would have been a conservative libertarian. I seriously doubt he would have approved of gay marriage as you stated in an earlier comment on a separate post. I have an idea he might have told such people to cut that out if he happened across them. His follower Paul certainly did, and lambasted Nero and his court for going after unnatural lusts, as he called it. Nero, in case you didn't know, castrated a man and treated him as a wife. You know what you call that, don't you? I call it being two thousand years ahead of your time.

Homosexuality is called in the Old Testament an abomination, and before you start in about how the New Testament is what we live by today, I will remind you that Christ said he was not going to change one iota of the Old Testament laws as written. What he criticized the Pharisees about was all the stuff they added to the law that made it impossible for a non-Pharisee to live according to their extremely high standards.

Other than that, Christ did not change the Old Testament laws, other than urging understanding and forgiveness. This was not based on the idea that everything you wanted to do was fine and dandy from there on out, it was simply based on the proposition that all people are sinners and have come short of the glory of God, thus no one has the right to judge the other.

Plus, his sacrifice made animal sacrifice obsolete, but it didn't change the fact that the sacrifice was still called for, only from the point of his crucifixion the call was answered by his.

All the other things like dietary restrictions and the like was decided by the early Christians under Paul to be applicable to the Jews only.

Fine, but its really a leap to take from that that Jesus Christ was some kind of social libertarian utopian to whom nothing was forbidden and nothing was deemed worthy of being judged evil. He always told sinners to sin no more. I can only imagine what he would have to say to some pervert with a gerbil stuck up his rectum.

As for the torture bit, here's a news flash for you. Get it through your head that governments are not supposed to be "religious", and it is impossible for them to be either "moral" or "immoral". Government when it functions at its best aims at practicality and efficiency. That doesn't always fit with morals or religious values. Christ never said that, and in fact he made several statements that implied the opposite. "My kingdom is not of this world". "Render unto Caesar", etc.

Finally, how dare you judge conservative Christians with a broad brush just because of the actions of a few loudmouthed activists and so-called "leaders" who are admittedly drunk with power. They are not all one giant monolithic group of people who march in lockstep to ultra-conservative politics. In fact I will have you know many of them are the best people you could ever want to associate with.

Of course, you wouldn't know that, you're too busy casting them all into outer darkness.

http://ThePaganTemple.Blogspot.com/

xbjllb

Oh Geez, this is going to be tedious, but it must be done. I don't enjoy straw man tactics.

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"Wow. The Xbljb person whines about people fencing him in and trying to corral him, then he has the temerity to arbitrarily state that no less a personage than Jesus Christ is presumably like him in just about every particular. Hey dude, its been a couple of weeks since Easter, has the stigmata cleared up yet?"

I never once said or intimated anything of the sort.

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"I'm not a Christian,"

Duh...

"and I'm not even sure Christ even existed,"

Duh...

"but as a person from the outside looking in, and clearly, I'm going to guess if you had to pigeonhole the guy, he would have been a conservative libertarian. I seriously doubt he would have approved of gay marriage as you stated in an earlier comment on a separate post."

I made no such statement. I said He disapproved highly of all prejudice and bigotry, of Pharisees claiming to be holier than everyone else because they followed "God's law" when everyone else didn't.

Denying people the same rights under the law as everyone else is bigotry.

If homosexuality and the "rights of the unborn" had been important issues, He would have said something, instead of nothing.

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"I have an idea he might have told such people to cut that out if he happened across them."

He never told anyone to cut out anything. He told people what the consequences of their actions would be, then let them go and do as they wanted. "Go and sin no more" wasn't a commandment; it was a wish. P.S. She did sin some more.

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"His follower Paul certainly did, and lambasted Nero and his court for going after unnatural lusts, as he called it. Nero, in case you didn't know, castrated a man and treated him as a wife. You know what you call that, don't you? I call it being two thousand years ahead of your time."

Paul also killed tons of Christians. Paul is not the number one go-to guy as far as Christianity is concerned; Jesus Christ is.

Nero's a straw argument, but a decent excuse for a joke.

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"Homosexuality is called in the Old Testament an abomination, and before you start in about how the New Testament is what we live by today, I will remind you that Christ said he was not going to change one iota of the Old Testament laws as written. What he criticized the Pharisees about was all the stuff they added to the law that made it impossible for a non-Pharisee to live according to their extremely high standards."

There you go again... bigotry is an abomination as well. The Pharisees' sin was making themselves superior to other men, which they were not.

Do not lose the forest for the trees.

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"Other than that, Christ did not change the Old Testament laws, other than urging understanding and forgiveness."

On the contrary, He said "I AM the LAW."

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"This was not based on the idea that everything you wanted to do was fine and dandy from there on out, it was simply based on the proposition that all people are sinners and have come short of the glory of God, thus no one has the right to judge the other."

I never said or intimated that there was no sin. Straw yet again.

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"Plus, his sacrifice made animal sacrifice obsolete, but it didn't change the fact that the sacrifice was still called for, only from the point of his crucifixion the call was answered by his."

All the other things like dietary restrictions and the like was decided by the early Christians under Paul to be applicable to the Jews only.

Fine, but its really a leap to take from that that Jesus Christ was some kind of social libertarian utopian to whom nothing was forbidden and nothing was deemed worthy of being judged evil."

I didn't say that. I said He purposely refused to take political power to force His way or His beliefs on anyone else. To do so is wrong. For anyone.

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"He always told sinners to sin no more."

Once again a wish, not a command.

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"I can only imagine what he would have to say to some pervert with a gerbil stuck up his rectum."

'If you leave that up there you will damage yourself. Nice job you did there playing King David, by the way. Loved the dancing.'

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"As for the torture bit, here's a news flash for you. Get it through your head that governments are not supposed to be "religious", and it is impossible for them to be either "moral" or "immoral". Government when it functions at its best aims at practicality and efficiency. That doesn't always fit with morals or religious values. Christ never said that, and in fact he made several statements that implied the opposite. "My kingdom is not of this world". "Render unto Caesar", etc."

I'm not the one on here claiming the US is a "Christian" country founded on "Christian" values with "Christian" Presidents like Dubyah Bush, and that is why we are so superior to everyone else on the planet that we have to bomb them to "save" them.

If you're not either, then we have no argument.

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"Finally, how dare you judge conservative Christians with a broad brush just because of the actions of a few loudmouthed activists and so-called "leaders" who are admittedly drunk with power. They are not all one giant monolithic group of people who march in lockstep to ultra-conservative politics. In fact I will have you know many of them are the best people you could ever want to associate with."

There is (and I always draw) a vast distinction between true Christians, who follow the life, teachings, and death example of Jesus Christ as He lived, taught, and died it, and Christianists, political opportunists who use a perverted base form of something they call Christianity to encourage intolerance and divide and conquer and as all manner of justification for genocide and "holy" war profiteering.

I draw that distinction; your mileage may vary.

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"Of course, you wouldn't know that, you're too busy casting them all into outer darkness."

Not all; just the Pharisees and the moneychangers and warmongers and war profiteers and intolerant bigots who claim to be Christians but in reality are Christianists.

ThePaganTemple

Hate to break it to you pally but while Christ is the example you are supposed to follow, it is Paul who "wrote the book"-literally wrote almost all of it, New Testament wise, and set the rules as to how Christians are supposed to live and how they are to conduct themselves. If he said Nero's actions were evil, that should mean something. It's sure not a joke.

But hey, go on ahead, be sure and let us all know how that picking and choosing works out for you at the end time.

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ThePaganTemple

Oh, and another point about Paul. Yes, he killed some Christians, though its not clear how many. The only one identified by name was Stephen, supposedly the first martyr. I'm sure there were others, but how many are irrelevant. He would have been hell-bound just from killing Stephen alone. But he repented and was from that point saved, his sins forgiven.

The point being-I bet you a dollar to a doughnut he never killed a single Christian after the time he became saved.

Yes, gay people can be saved, just like Paul. And yes, they are expected to "sin no more", the same as Paul.

Can people backslide from time to time? Of course. The point is, if a person is really saved, while they might lapse temporarily, it won't become a regular lifestyle. They won't become "married" to sin. Take that however you wish.

xbjllb

"But hey, go on ahead, be sure and let us all know how that picking and choosing works out for you at the end time."

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Right back atcha. Thanks for admitting you weren't a Christian, while displaying all the hypocrisy and judgment and bigotry of the typical Christianist. A real Christian wouldn't have dared use that ploy, because they take denying Christ extremely seriously.

But I must thank you yet again. You've helped illustrate the distinction between real Christianity and Christianism far better than I ever could, with your knowledge and usage of Scripture and Christian jargon, with absolutely none of the substance, for example.

Substance, wisdom, discernment, personal relationship with God; this is the dominion of the Holy Spirit. Christianism has no Holy Spirit, because the author and god of Christianism is, and has always been, Lucifer. The god of the Pharisees as well. And MILITANT Islam. And Zionism. And fascism.

Be sure to let us know how that works out for you. In the end.

ThePaganTemple

Actually, I believe in religious freedom for all. That would include conservative Christians, every bit as much as hypocritical liberal Christians who are actually the ones who assist in inflaming passions on the left while at the same time trying to impose their own version of "Christianity" on public policy, all the time pretending not to do so while accusing their Christian brethren of doing precisely what they are doing.

What was that your Christ said about the mote in your neighbors eye versus the beam in your own.

Oh yeah, I remember what he said now-

"Ye hypocrite".

Don't think for one minute that I walk in lockstep with what you derisively call "Christianists". I disagree mightily with them on such things as stem cell research, for example, and on school prayer and the posting of the Ten Commandments on federal property. I most assuredly am steadfastly opposed to their attempts to impose creationism in the form of Intelligent Design in high school or any kind of school's science classrooms.

On the other hand, I understand their concerns about the way their beliefs are constantly subjected to assault, ridicule, and disrespect by the very same people that will rage to the heavens at the slightest sign of disrespect shown to any other religion, even those that would as soon blow us all to hell and back as look at us.

I probably disagree with them as often as I agree with them, but none of that is the point. The real point is, they have as much right to their version of the scriptures, as you have to yours, and any other religious group has to theirs. If they don't want their tax dollars to go toward funding abortions, or stem cell research, and if they resent the constant attempts to shut their views out of all public discourse, I certainly understand them and applaud their resistance to such fascism.

I don't have to agree with anybody to defend their rights to their own beliefs, religious or otherwise. One of my best internet friends is an avowed Trotskyist. He drives me up the wall sometimes with his naivete', but I will defend him at the drop of a hat, and have, from other friends at that.

So dont lecture me about your so-called sanctity and holiness, little man. You have been judged and found most wanting. Sanctimoniousness is as appallingly disgusting from religious liberals as conservative ones. Actually, it might be a little worse. At least conservative Christians are open and honest about the reason for their views, they don't try to cloak it behind secular leftist dogma and political correctness.

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xbjllb

Straw man after straw man after straw man... sigh.

Be sure to let us know how that all works out for you. In the end.

Good ol' TPT... shilling for his blog as always.

ThePaganTemple

Yeah, I try to promote my blog, it would be pretty silly to have one and not do so, so I don't see what your point is.

As for your response, I'll leave the other readers, what ones might be interested enough to follow, to decide for themselves how little integrity you have, and how I've pretty much demolished you in this exchange.

I pretty much decided where you're at with your seeming implications that Bush and Cheney are somehow responsible for 9/11, as though they were actually behind it somehow. If that really is what you believe, that makes you a nut in my view, and pretty much in the view of anybody with enough sense to come in out of the rain. If you don't believe it, but still assert such garbage for political reasons, that makes you even worse than a nut, it makes you a low-class scoundrel, maybe even a traitor.

Well, time to say goodbye for now, and of course to promote my blog, thusly-

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xbjllb

TPT: The shitting contest between you and I lies solely in your mind.

You've demolished only yourself.

Be sure to let us know how that all works out for you and your ilk. In the end.

M/M

PaganTemple,

I enjoy your posts and I am amazed at your knowledge of Christianity. I enjoy learning about all types of religions, andI even have plenty of pagan friends.

Religion is under attack in this country by the secularists, and I think the minority’s attempts to impose its will on the majority has unattended consequence. George Harrison and Bob Marley were deeply religious men who weren’t afraid to discuss their religion through their songs. Elvis loved to sing Gospel music. There was also a huge market for their music.

Lots of people who post here have blogs, and promote them. What’s wrong with that? I check out your blog too.


ThePaganTemple

MM

Thanks for the kind words and support. XBLJB is just mad because he got pwned. I feel sorry for him. I'm afraid if he's not careful the Kos Kids and the Huff Po Huffers might sue him for stealing their words and ideas without attribution. If they were actually his and he put some thought into them, he would be able to defend them a little better maybe. On the other hand, if he was able to put any thought into them, he might realize how idiotic they were.

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xbjllb

I'm not angry; on the contrary, I am overjoyed at bringing so much Light here I forced at least two of you into the gutter on Monica's latest post about the war criminal Cheney.

So much for your "amazing knowledge" about Christianity.

Obviously, to have gotten so vile and personal, you must really be threatened, TPT.

Excellent. I couldn't be more pleased.

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