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March 19, 2008

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Truther

Is Ann Coulter a closet feminist? She surely is a spinster. You can tell because she hardly wears any jewelry.

FK

Speaking of apologies . . . when is the Moron in Chief going to apologize for getting this country into Iraq when it was completely unnecessary?

Pops

Our Commander-in-Chief had the following options:

1. Fight al Qaida in Afghanistan and lose badly

2. Do nothing and end up fighting al Qaida on American soil

3. Fight al Qaida somewhere else - say, Iraq, for example, and kill two birds with one stone

Which would you prefer?

FK

#3 makes no sense. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until after *we* went into Iraq.

Concerning #1 . . . why do you assume the "lose badly" part? If we put all our resources into #1 and followed our generals' strategies, why couldn't we have prevailed in Afghanistan?

I would prefer that you ask a question that isn't complete nonsense, Pops. That's what I prefer.

phil

OK, lets stipulate you're right and Al Queda wasn't in Iraq until after we went in. Can we also stipulate that we (because no-one else in the world really will) need to deal harshly with these fanatical killers?
If that is indeed the case then wouldn't you prefer that the hunted come to the hunter to be killed rather than have to go globe trotting all over the place to find them? And the icing on the cake it that it's occurring thousands of miles away from our soil by the best trained and most professional armed forces the world have ever known. Thank God for them and they deserve all of our support and appreciation.

Truther

Rumsfeldt was right to keep the force small and mobile. The idea was to take out concentrations of extremists, after they were id'ed. That way there is no static American target. The other way to combat terrorism is to confront the governments that foment this stuff.

The additional problem there is to protect the Iraqi oil pipeline which supplies 2bbls of oil we require. This created a centralized problem for which there is no current solution. We are trying to increase the price to buy the peace, which works somewhat. If we could get the Iraqi's to guard the pipeline reliably, we could go back to the noncentralized mode of operating. There is talk of a large oil discovery in the ocean.... and nobody knows who owns it.

Truther

The other truth is the McCain principle : The more you pay the more you will have to pay. There is a limit to what we can support. This is because their economy is almost totally dependent on oil revenue. If you try to lower the price, you have unsupported population and that is the stuff of war.

FK

There's no justification for our invading Iraq. We're stuck there, and we can't just suddenly leave, but going there in the first place was a mistake, and George W. Bush, as the supposed "decider" (unless things go badly, right?), must take the blame.

We could have dealt with al Qaeda harshly without destroying Iraq.

M/M

Spinster...ho,ho... actually, Ann is a "Luce Lady"

http://www.cblpi.org/freestuff/

If Ann is single, it is by choice. Believe me, I've seen how those younger guys propose to her on C-Span. And every guy I know describes her as "brilliant" and greatly admires her toughness and ability to make large sums of money.

Goodbye Gloria, we have Ann and Michelle N.O.W.

Pops

Phil got it right about "why Iraq".

Why not Afghanistan? Check out what happened to the mighty Soviet Union there. While urban warfare is difficult, mountain warfare is impossible for a mechanized force.

Saying we could have dealt with al Qaida differently doesn't mean much without specifics. A lot of very knowledgeable and experienced people came up with our current strategy. If it was wrong, so be it - they did their best. When you're elected president I expect you will also do your best.

Truther

No Jewelry :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ann_Coulter_AC.jpg

Luce had been married 3 times, had a child, and been in Congress for two terms at Ann's age, in addition to writing and editing.

What makes a spinster is not unattractiveness, but a pale interest in marriage and romance.

I like your posters though. Well done.

FK

I don't seek to be president, but if I were, I couldn't do worse than George W. Bush. That's why I'm so relaxed about this election. Of the three remaining candidates, I can't imagine any of them being worse than what we have now.

Allah Schmallah

From your perspective, Komrade.. a regular 'Dream Troika' of candidates.. A liEberal's wet dream...

A regular liEberal Trifecta.

For us it' just worse than the same.. more taxes.. more wealth tranfer to illegals.. more crime.. more moslems.. more 'refugees' from Somalia.

Before anyone gets on the 'racism' pulpit again.. I would welcome hard-working Ethiopians above all others.

An Ethiopian friend actually told me that we Westerners are way too naive and laid-back when it comes to Najislam.. I tend to agree. I've heard and seen similar sentiment expressed by Hindu Indians as well.

They're saying we shouldn't make the same historic mistake that India made re. islam.

Komrade K: THESE PEOPLE ARE NO TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE!!! ARE THEY RACIST TOO??!!

LiEberalism is truly a mental disorder.

Pass the koolaid and the rose colored glasses and sing along with me.. Kumbaya.. this land is your land this land is my land.. I love you you love me.. imagine there are NO LIBERALS AND NO ISLAM TOO.. and on and on ad nauseam.

Allah Schmallah

McCain is the only one who knows, who cares beyond himself, and who is living it every single day.

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Then WHY DOESN'T HE PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND SOVEREIGNTY??!!

FK

Come on, Allah S. Do I strike you as someone who wears rose-colored glasses? I'm actually quite cynical, and don't see much of a chance for things to get better. But racism is not my answer, even though it is yours and you won't call it what it is.

J. Pierpont Finch

FREDK's assertion "Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until after *we* went into Iraq" is what makes no sense because it's not true.

IRAQ DOCUMENTS SHOW AL-QAEDA TIES to Saddam
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/iraq_al_qaida_ties/2008/03/20/81851.html

Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:09 AM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size

A much-publicized report released by the Pentagon last week details the extensive ties between the regime of Saddam Hussein and a wide variety of international terrorist organizations, including Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

“Despite their incompatible long-term goals, many terrorist movements and Saddam found a common enemy in the United States,” the report’s authors at the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA) state.

But instead of reporting on this conclusion, most of the media accounts have focused on a single sentence that appears in the executive summary, stating that the report’s authors found “no smoking gun” or “direct connection” between Saddam’s Iraq and al-Qaida.

The United States Joint Forces Command, which commissioned the report from IDA, provided reporters late last week with a CD containing nearly 2,000 pages of supporting documents that purportedly formed the basis of the conclusions authored by Lt. Col. Kevin Woods and James Lacey in the 94-page redacted summary that initially was leaked to the press.

Intriguing Analysis

An analysis by Newsmax identified several documents with critical evidence of Saddam’s close ties to al-Qaida that were overlooked or ignored by the report’s authors, however.

These documents, published previously by the Foreign Military Studies Office of the Joint Reserve Intelligence Center, Fort Leavenworth, have since been taken down from U.S. government Web sites. Newsmax downloaded copies when they were still available.

“This is not a comprehensive, end-all, all-in-one study,” a source familiar with the drafting of the report told Newsmax. He spoke on background because his comments had not been cleared in advance by the U.S. military.

“This was a study very specifically for military lessons learned, to explain an environment. People shouldn’t make this report into something it’s not,” he added.

Another source involved in the report told Newsmax that one reason some documents were not included in the analysis was because of the sheer mass of material available — more than 600,000 documents, in all.

I have written about the Harmony data base of captured Iraqi military and intelligence documents in my recent book, "Shadow Warriors: Traitors, Saboteurs, and the Party of Surrender." [Editor's Note: Get Ken Timmerman's book with a free offer. Go here now.]

One of the most damning documents to emerge from the Harmony data base, I wrote, was a Jan. 18, 1993 order from Saddam Hussein, transmitted to the head of Iraqi intelligence, “to hunt the Americans that are in Arab lands, especially in Somalia, by using Arab elements or Asian (Muslims) or friends.”

In response, the head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service informed Hussein that Iraq already had ties with a large number of international terrorist groups, including “the Islamist Arab elements that were fighting in Afghanistan and [currently] have no place to base and are physically present in Somalia, Sudan, and Egypt.” In other words, al-Qaida.

The authors of the IDA study note that Saddam’s Iraq “was a long-standing supporter of international terrorism,” and that these particular documents provided ‘detailed evidence of that support.'”

The study also points out that the captured documents “reveal that Saddam was training Arab fighters (non-Iraqi) in Iraqi training camps more than a decade prior” to the 2003 war.

But the study shies away from identifying them as al-Qaida terrorists, even though many of them were members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, whose leader, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahri, became the deputy leader of al-Qaida in 1998.

Preparations for Suicide Operations Against U.S.

While the IDA study includes no information that would show operational ties between Saddam’s regime and the 9/11 hijackers, it reveals that Saddam personally gave orders on Sept. 17, 2001 to his general military intelligence directorate to recruit Iraqi officers for “suicide operations” against the United States.

The 112-page Harmony data file ISGQ-2005-00037352 contains Saddam’s order, as well as personal pledges to carry out suicide operations from more than one hundred “volunteers,” including a brigadier general.

In the order he issued just one week after the 9/11 attacks, Saddam stated that the volunteers should sign pledges “to be written in blood,” presumably their own.

Four years before this order, Saddam announced with great fanfare that he had tasked a prominent Iraqi calligrapher to produce a Quran written with his own blood. Saddam reportedly had doctors draw his blood for the task.

Several other key documents are glaringly absent from the IDA report and provide direct evidence of Saddam Hussein’s deep involvement with al-Qaida and its component organizations.

Among them is a 1999 notebook kept by an unidentified Iraqi intelligence official that detailed meetings between top Iraqi leaders and visiting Islamic terrorists. (Harmony document ISGP-2003-0001412).

One Baghdad visitor was Maulana Fazlur Rahman a signer of Osama bin Laden’s infamous 1998 fatwa calling on Muslims to “murder Americans.” Another was Afghan mujahedin leader Gulbudin Hekmatyar, who was also supported by Iran.

Roy Robison, a former U.S. government contractor who published an analysis of Saddam’s relationship to al-Qaida last year, argues that when Rahman met with Iraqi Vice president Taha Yassin Ramadan in 1999 “he did so as the father of the Taliban and as a leader of the World Islamic Front which declared war on the U.S the year before.”

Another document not included in this latest report was a review by Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) of their ongoing ties with Osama bin Laden and other opponents to the Saudi regime (Harmony document ISGZ-2004-009247).

This document reads like a memorandum for the record, written in early 1997, tracing the beginnings of the Iraqi regime’s relationship to Osama bin Laden.

In a letter dated Jan. 11, 1995, Saddam Hussein personally authorized the General Director of Intelligence to establish direct contact with bin Laden in Sudan, the report states.

The initial meeting with bin Laden took place just one month later, on Feb. 19, 1995, and included an offer by Iraq to provide bin Laden with broadcasting facilities and a discussion of plans “to perform joint operations against foreign forces in the land of Hijaz [ie, Saudi Arabia].

Following bin Laden’s expulsion from Sudan, in July 1996, the memo states that the Iraqi intelligence service is “working to revitalize this relationship through a new channel.”

The IDA report includes in its supporting documentation a detailed report by the Iraqi general director of intelligence in response to an “action directive” issued by Saddam on Jan. 18, 1993, ordering his intelligence service to establish relations with terrorist groups around the world and to develop the “expertise to carry out assignments.”

In addition to a variety of Palestinian groups, the document lists the Hezb Islami of Afghanistan, the Islamic Scholars Group of Pakistan, the Jam’iyat “Ulama Pakistan, all of which subsequently became affiliated with al-Qaida.

The authors of the IDA report note in the abstract accompanying their work that the captured documents provide “evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism, including . . . Islamic terrorist organizations.”

While the documents “do not reveal direct coordination and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al-Qaida network, they do indicate that Saddam was willing to use, albeit cautiously, operatives affiliated with al-Qaida,” and to provide financing and training of these outside groups.

“This created both the appearance of and, in some ways, a 'de facto' link between the organizations,” the report’s authors stated.

Much of the polemic over Saddam’s support for al-Qaida arises from disputed claims, put forward in a Czech government intelligence report, that an Iraqi intelligence official met with 9/11 pilot Mohamed Atta in Prague in the April 2001.

No documents have surfaced that would corroborate that claim, while in press interviews well after the liberation of Iraq, the Iraqi intelligence officer who reportedly met with Atta in Prague told reporters that the meeting never took place.

All Iraqi Roads Lead to Terrorism

Contrary to the accounts that have appeared in mainstream media outlets, the Harmony documents and the IDA report show beyond any doubt that Saddam Hussein was willing to fund, train, and use Islamic terrorists, including groups affiliated with al-Qaida, to carry out his long-standing plans against the United States and U.S. allies in the region.

A 2002 annual report to the Iraq Intelligence Service M8 directorate of liberation movements shows that the IIS hosted 13 terrorist conferences during the year, and that Saddam personally received 37 congratulatory messages from international terrorist groups. The annual report also noted that the IIS had issued 699 passports to terrorists during the year.

“Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al-Qaida [such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri], or that generally shared al-Qaida's stated goals and objectives,” the IDA report states.

But an element of competition also kept Saddam from too much direct involvement with al-Qaida, the IDA report states.

While both Saddam and bin Laden wanted to drive the West out of Muslim lands and to create a single powerful state that would replace America as a global superpower, “bin Laden wanted — and still wants — to restore the Islamic caliphate while Saddam, despite his later Islamic rhetoric, dreamed more narrowly of being the secular ruler of a united Arab nation,” the report’s authors state.

The relationship between Saddam Hussein and bin Laden bore some resemblance to the Cali and Medellin drug cartels.

While the seemingly rival cartels were vying for market share, “neither cartel was reluctant to cooperate with the other when it came to the pursuit of a common objective,” the report’s authors state.

“Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, "terror cartel" that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime,” the IDA report states.

Link to First World Trade Center Attack

One terror tie apparently put to rest in this latest report are the suspicions that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.

Analysts such as Laurie Mylroie have argued for years that Saddam’s regime was behind the 1993 attack, and cited as evidence the fact that a key member of the plot, Abdul Rahman Yasin, fled to Iraq immediately after the bombing.

As I reported in Shadow Warriors, Saddam Hussein recorded all meetings in his presidential office, and the Harmony data base includes tapes from a series of meetings during 1993 that discussed the interrogation of Yasin.

Saddam “discusses the possibility that the attack was part of the ‘dirty games that the American intelligence would play if it had a bigger purpose,’” and expresses concern that Yasin might be an American agent, the IDA report states.

According to Saddam, Yassin was “too organized in what he is saying and [he] is playing games, playing games and influencing the scenario” during his interrogations by Iraqi intelligence. Saddam ordered that the interrogations continue but “actually warns against allowing Yasin to commit suicide or be killed in jail,” the report states.

Saddam believed that “the most important thing is not to let the Arabic public opinion [believe] we are cooperating with the US against the opposition. I mean that is why our announcement [that Yasin is being held] should include doubts . . . [about] who carried out this operation. Because it is possible that in the end we will discover — even if it is a very weak possibility — that a fanatic group who carried it organized the operation.”

Saddam and his advisors were hoping to use the interrogations of Yasin, and whatever information they could gather from him about the organizers of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, to enhance their position in world public opinion.

If handled correctly, Saddam said, Yasin’s confessions "will benefit us greatly; it will benefit us in our issue in the matter of the stance that the U.S. has taken against us.”

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

Jack Flynn


Monica talked above of "swindled victories in Florida" and Michigan.

Just who was swindled in Florida? Neither Obama, nor Hillary actively campaigned there. Only National ads on cable and political talk shows reached the voters. Hillary won it fair and square.
That is clearly another distortion of the truth by Monica.
Add one more to the three mile list of Monica's distortions.
And who was swindled in Michigan? Hillary has agreed to another primary there.
Add that distortion to the list, as well.

J. Pierpont Finch

The Florida Democrat Party swindled itself by passing a bill to move up its primary to January after the National Leadership threatened not to seat the Florida deligates if it moved up the primary. When the bill came to Governor Bill Crist's desk, he laughed at how stupid it was andquickly signed it. It's Flori-DUH! No sign of inteligent life.

Jack Flynn

B.S. Finchy

FK

Finch --

I'm as likely to accept an "analysis" from News Max as accurate as you are to accept one from Air America.

Saddam Hussein was a materialist and a secularist, not about to work with fanatical true believers.

If a solid connection was ever found between Saddam and al Qaeda, we would have heard about it -- repeatedly -- from sources more respected than News Max.

It's a waste of your time and mine for you to ever cite News Max articles to support any arguments against me.

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