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December 13, 2007

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charlie

Wild Bill's got his faults, but he can surely make things interesting.
Lucky for the Repubs, they're not too many Dems with his charisma.

Truther

The eyes of Monica are not fooled : She knows Bill Clinton like a book, down to the punctuation.

This is an interesting backdrop for the other story circulating about Bill, he having a fallout with Buddy Burkle, one of the syndicate people behind the rat pack. For the sake of Hillary's campaign they characterized "The Yucaipa Companies" as US supermarkets friendly toward unions, when in fact it is an international investment group. Supporting Burkle-like activities has created boos for Hillary in Iowa. It is similar to what Madaline Albright is doing : supporting enterprises that export US jobs to foreign countries; countries which paid for a Bill Clinton rat pack talk.

FK

Now that Reagan has passed away, Clinton is the only remaining politician with the status of a rock star.

Truther

This outsourcing of labor, open borders, and illegal immigrants is being described as a capital bonanza, and Congress has been corrupted by it. It is nothing short of a full blown Teapot Dome.

SteveOk

Since he plays the sax he could join Keith Richards and Mick with the Rolling Stones, or maybe Motley Crew, he would really fit in well there. He is about the same age as Richards and Jagger. Rockers on Medicare, what a concept, still having the good times with the groupies. What a gig.

SteveOk

Can anyone imagine Bill Clinton in the White House as the "First Gentleman"?, or whatever they would call him. He would have all the free time in the world to check out the Interns and do what he does best. What if we had another sex scandal? Do we have a right as citizens to get a guarantee from Hillary and Bill that they will not turn the White House into a Soap Opera. And how about the missing White House silverware from the last time they occupied the WH? Can we demand they return the silver from the first time, and make them pay the cost of the WH staff looting the place on he way out, and then trashing Air Force One? And how about all the criminals Bill pardoned on the way out, can we get a guarantee from Hillary that she will not pardon criminals who contribute to her campaign or library? Just a few of the questions I have that the leftie media would never ask in a million years.

FK

Yes, I am very concerned about Clinton's pardons! As long as Clinton isn't in the White House, we don't have to worry about anyone pardoning criminals!

Oh, by the way . . .

Bush Pardons 29, but Not Libby
Forgiveness Follows Late-Term Tradition
Associated Press
Wednesday, December 12, 2007; Page A02
President Bush granted pardons yesterday to carjackers, drug dealers, a moonshiner and a violator of election laws, but not to I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, his vice president's former top aide, who was convicted in the case of the leaked identity of a CIA operative.

Nearly all of those to win pardons this year were small-time crooks who at most were imprisoned for five years. Many never served time at all and instead were fined or put on probation.

In all, Bush pardoned 29 convicts and reduced the prison sentence of one more in the end-of-the-year presidential tradition.

Bush cut short the 1992 prison sentence of crack cocaine dealer Michael Dwayne Short of Hyattsville, who will be released Feb. 8 after serving 15 years of his 19-year sentence. Short's commutation comes the same day as the U.S. Sentencing Commission voted unanimously to allow about 19,500 federal prison inmates, most of them black, to seek reductions in crack cocaine sentences.

Short must still serve a term of supervised release.
In July, Bush commuted Libby's 2 1/2 -year sentence, sparing Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff from serving any prison time after being convicted of perjury and obstructing justice. Libby, who recently dropped appeals to have his convictions overturned, has paid a $250,000 fine and remains on two years probation.

Libby was the only person to face criminal charges in the case of the 2003 leak of then-CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson's identity.

A pardon amounts to federal forgiveness for one's crime, while a commutation cuts short an existing prison term.

Justice Department spokesman Erik Ablin said Bush has granted 142 pardons and commuted five sentences since taking office in 2001.

SteveOk

The Presidential pardon is perfectly legal and something he should do on a case by case basis, however, don't you think it wrong for a President to pardon someone who has given cash to their campaign? Clinton SOLD his pardons, while there is no evidence that Bush did, duh.

FK

Because Bush is such a great example of what's ethical? Keep waiting. We'll find out more about what Bush has done, will do, and why. As I recall, his father pardoned a few people involved in Iran-Contra to salvage his own legacy.

BTW . . . very intelligent of you to end a post with "duh". I think the last time I did that to try to win an argument was 6th grade.

SteveOk

You still didn't answer my question?

charlie

Rhetorical question:
Suppose it was imperative, who would you prefer as a son-in-law--George or Bill?

FK

Not a good choice: a dunce or a philanderer.

At least I could have an intelligent conversation with Bill. And I don't think I could stand to have a born-again as a son-in-law.

FK

Steveok -- It's wrong for a president to sell pardons. I was not happy when Clinton shot out so many pardons before he left office, and I thought that would sully what was left of his reputation.

At that time, however, even though I expected Bush to be a bad president, I didn't realize just how bad he was going to be. So my shock at the time about the Clinton pardons has faded in view of the Bush's blunders, so I find it hard to renew that sense of shock at Clinton again. Maybe one day we'll have a president worse than Bush and I'll start getting over my shock at his activities, as well.

Although it will be kind of hard to get over a president doing photo ops and riding his bike while an American city is 80% under water.

charlie

What an ideal papa!
Enjoying 'an intelligent conversation' with his rakish and cruel son in law, as his heart-broken daughter weeps in misery.

FK

I was only given two choices. The other one is an alcoholic, born-again dunce. OK?

Thrown in Harry S Truman as a choice and I'll pick him.

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