Mixed Bag

Yesterday, voters in Ohio produced two diametrically opposed results. On the one hand, they voted down Governor John Kasich's courageous and necessary reforms to rein in the government sector unions and their bankrupting costs. On the other hand, they also voted to opt out of ObamaCare.

The quick lessons here: The labor unions remain incredibly powerful and flush with money to enforce outcomes that protect their cushy positions on the taxpayer-funded gravy train. We must understand this going into 2012. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker succeeded in his attempt to restrict collective bargaining for most government employees, but he went through a union-backed onslaught and still faces a recall. Also keep in mind that Walker exempted police and firefighters from his union reforms. Kasich did not, allowing the unions to pitch an emotional---and local---argument about public safety. That, more than anything, is what held sway. Kasich tried and lost his fight to save his state. The voters of Ohio basically screwed themselves over. A real shame. A tragedy, really.

The vote on ObamaCare is interesting. The same voters who torpedoed the union reforms voted as well to kill ObamaCare. Actually, MORE voters voted against ObamaCare than to support the unions. Of course, their decision on this will have no real impact because federal law trumps state law and referenda. But if Ohioans went with the labor unions but against Obama on ObamaCare, what does that say? It says just about everyone hates ObamaCare, how it kills jobs and its intrusion into our personal lives and freedom.

Both issues are size-of-government issues, but the inion vote was more of a local concern. Ohioans gave us a split decision yesterday. If I were Obama, I'd be happy that the unions showed real muscle. They'll help him big time next year get out the vote, run ads and smear the other side through protests, mobilization and general thuggery. But if I were Obama, I'd also be freaked out by the widespread loathing of his signature domestic "achievement." Conservatives, Republicans, Independents, Democrats and even some liberals hate ObamaCare. Much of his legacy is built on it. If the voters hate it that much, and the Supreme Court kills it next year, all of the union power in the country may not be enough to save him.

So thanks a lot, voters of the key swing state of Ohio! You've clarified nothing for the rest of us. Hope you guys had a good election day! The chance for the rest of us comes in less than a year.

Comments

[xbjllb]

Nice spin, Princess. What you failed to understand from yesterday will become ABUNDANTLY and PERFECTLY clear a year and a week from now.

Stock up on Kleenex.

[xbjllb]

As far as the healthcare vote, a conservative federal judge upheld it, and that will trump anything Ohio can do.

And all opposition will disappear in a puff of smoke once the Democrats put through the public option in 2013.

And they will. Thanks to you and yours!

[xbjllb]

"The chance for the rest of us comes in less than a year." - Monica Crowley

The chance for you 1% has come and long gone, and will never come again.

Thank your pal Dick Cheney and his fiddling with the CIA.

[xbjllb]

"The voters of Ohio basically screwed themselves over. A real shame. A tragedy, really." - Monica Crowley

Yes. Those poor fools, pulling your collective whangs out of their asses and standing up to a bunch of marauding Nazis.

A real pity.

[xbjllb]

"and the Supreme Court kills it next year," - Monica Crowley

What, kill the biggest giveaway to Big Insurance in history since car insurance was made mandatory in every state?

You're kidding, right?

No, the "Supreme" Court will do what it always does, vote the fascist 5-4 majority, maintain the mandatory requirement, and then the VOTERS and Democrats will push through the public option when they maintain the Senate and regain the House.

Promise. Don't cry too hard. I know, all that undeserved rabble getting heathcare. Let them eat band-aids.

Unthinkable.

[gringoman]

(While Princess delivers her site to the progasites---progressive parasites who spamfeed on it 24/7)

DAILY BEAST/JOHN AVION////
One final note on Ohio: these two ballot initiatives spurred more than $40 million in special-interest spending, including more than $30 million by unions seeking to overturn collective bargaining. Tip O’Neill’s maxim that all politics is local has been turned on its head—increasingly, all local politics is national.

gringoNOTE: Prog Victory? Sure. The FDR Marxists created unions for Government workers who live off the tax payers. These non-productive now are legally entitled to hold the productive hostage to their demands. The unions do agitprop on the "rich" and "capitalist greed." That is, Class War euphemisms for the productive private sector which parasites feed on. The tax-sucking unions spend $30 million dollars sucked from the private sector to keep the productive hostage to them. They succeed in yesterday's Ohio election. The progs cheer. And the progs are right to cheer. Socialism has scored another victory over American liberty, cheered even on a website aligned with The Stupid Party as it looks forward to anointing its Captain Flip Flop for 2012.

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What did Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, FDR, George (fiscal socialist) George Bush and Goldman Sachs socialist Barack Obama all have in common? Answer: a unionized Welfare State. For the German version see....
THE NAZI WELFARE SOCIETY// http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54273.Hitler_s_Beneficiaries//

[xbjllb]

"(While Princess delivers her site to the progasites---progressive parasites who spamfeed on it 24/7)" - Gringowhore

...who at the very least READ HER posts and respond to what SHE SAYS instead of lifting their exposed legs and spraying the free forum with cut-and-paste talking points from other lying blogs and the usual Nazi youth homosexual obsession or ludicrous attempt at a rewrite of history of the day (OR week OR month OR year as the case usually turns out to be).

[xbjllb]

When you conservabot troglodytes are wiped out for the last time next November, and as your moronic bosses reluctantly pick up stakes and move to Israel or some other Godforsaken horrific place even more fascist than you made this living hell, will you whores just dry up and follow, or will you sit and fester and stink and smell like the open cesspool you've been up to this point?

Just asking.

[gringoman]

FIGHT WEBLOG BLIGHT
STARVE THE PROGASITE

[xbjllb]

What a child.

[xbjllb]

The last refuge of a man possessed of not a single shred of logical argument left:

Infancy.

[xbjllb]

This is too easy.

Somebody, ANYBODY. RESCUE ME!

[gringoman]

///But if Ohioans went with the labor unions but against Obama on ObamaCare, what does that say?////

It says that GOP Central is STILL looking to anoint for 2012 the ONLY Gooper that the Marxocrats can easily neutralize over this huge issue: the paleface Obama, Mitt Obamaneycare.
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What did Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, FDR, George (fiscal socialist) George Bush and Goldman Sachs socialist Barack Obama all have in common? Answer: a unionized Welfare State. For the German version see....
THE NAZI WELFARE SOCIETY// http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54273.Hitler_s_Beneficiaries//

[xbjllb]

The answer is "Sit and fester and stink and smell like the open cesspool we've been up to this point."

Got it.

[xbjllb]

ROMNEY/CHRISTIE 2012

Nyah, nyah, nyah nyahh nyahhhhhh.

[xbjllb]

Whinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[xbjllb]

Time for bed. I'm channeling UG now.

[xbjllb]

OH WOW!!!! I JUST WON $10 MILLION FROM PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE!!! DOUBLED TO $20 MILLION BECAUSE WE'RE FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK!!!

NOW I KNOW IT'S REAL!!!

Oh Princess....

[gringoman]

FEED YOUR DOG
NOT A TROLL
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LABOR UNIONS (from Stalin to Hitler to FDR to Obama)////Attached is a 1935 magazine article that reported on the socialist remedies Nazi Germany relied upon to eradicate the age-old tension between labor and management://http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/Nazis_were_socialists_article_Nazi-German_Labor_Unions_info

[gringoman]

MORNING, NOON AND NIGHT
WHY FEED A PROGASITE?
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UNIONS (from Stalin to Hitler to FDR and Obama)"A Socialist Workers' Government has achieved a workers revolution in Germany without resorting to, tho in some respects it approximates, Communism. Adolf Hitler has done it by wiping out all class privileges and class distinction, but the economics foundation of property rights and private capital has been left almost intact - for the present time."//http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/Nazis_were_socialists_article_Nazi-German_Labor_Unions_info

[xbjllb]

Faked ya out!!! I didn't go to sleep, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

FIRST THING HITLER DID WHEN HE BECAME CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY WAS DISBAND ALL UNIONS.

Just like Ohio. Just like Wisconsin.

[LOL]

Never mess with a songwriter.

Posted by: xbjllb | November 08, 2011 at 10:37 PM

And XBJLLB is a very good one at that!

Check out his masterpiece sung by Jay's black lover boy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKE3dIrRIbg

[xbjllb]

Gringowhore, Gringowhore
Every morning you greet me
Small and white, crazed, uptight
You look mis'rable to meet me
Nazi of whores may you bloom and grow
Bloom and grow forever
Gringowhore, Gringowhore
Bless der homeland forever.

[thebuckstopshere]

Gman, DITTO & to me, it also says the PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS got out the voters & the TAXPAYERS didn't get out the voters..........imo prevalent question: are those PUBLIC SECTOR UNION MEMBERS OBAMACARE EXEMPT ALREADY?

GIVE US A CONTENDER 2012

[xbjllb]

"And XBJLLB is a very good one at that!" - LOL

Soooooooo boring. Tedious, actually. I thought you were actually going to link to MY youtube.

Oh well. Some people don't do their homework.

[xbjllb]

And if you like Gringowhore, just wait and see what I do with "DO RE MI'.

[xbjllb]

"GIVE US A CONTENDER 2012" - The Buck Stops Here

You've got the only one you're getting, and the only one you're ever gonna get.

His name is Barack Obama. Suck it up.

[gringoman]

PROGASITE, a noun.

1. a troll, a progressive parasite.
2. a progasite feeds 24/7 on a conservative host. When this species of troll finds a conservative host with weakened or non-existent immune system,(as in no adult supervision) such as Monicamemo, the progasite feeds voraciously. Without meaning to it shows us, beneath the rhetoric, the true nature of socialism.

MORNING, NOON OR NIGHT
DO NOT FEED THE PROGASITE

[xbjllb]

Gringowhore, Gringowhore
Every morning you greet me
Small and white, crazed, uptight
You look mis'rable to meet me
Nazi of whores may you bloom and grow
Bloom and grow forever
Gringowhore, Gringowhore
Bless der homeland forever.

[xbjllb]

Und now, EVERYBODY!!!

Gringowhore, Gringowhore
Every morning you greet me
Small and white, crazed, uptight
You look mis'rable to meet me
Nazi of whores may you bloom and grow
Bloom and grow forever
Gringowhore, Gringowhore
Bless der homeland forever.

[xbjllb]

Anyone else think of Lorraine on Mad TV when they saw that pic of Gringowhore at the Great Wall?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-p4Q9W-qg

The kicker at 4:20.

[LongRifle]

Monica has missed the point...
Russel Pearce, the framer of the controversial AZ law (SB 1070) that started a sh*t-storm of anti-immigrant laws, has been defeated in a special recall election yesterday.
This oughta tell us something...

[xbjllb]

"This oughta tell us something..." - longrifle

It's too late. You're outnumbered and surrounded.

Better leave before it gets any worse.

[gringoman]

Re The Paleface Obama

ERIC ERICKSON//REDSTATE////Notwithstanding all of that, I do not see how Romney wins given Romney’s lack of any core beliefs and conservative conviction only when he needs conservative conviction. Americans want a guy who means what he says even if they don’t always agree with him. Likewise, if somehow I am wrong and Romney could beat Obama, you and I both know that given how this campaign has gone so far, Romney would decide he did not need conservatives and could govern without them. If you need a more recent example, look to the election of Charlie Crist in Florida after Jeb Bush.

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Influenced by his Marxist rivals, the Russian Communists, Hitler replaced corporate trade unions with one great government union, the National Socialist Union of Employers and Workers...,http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/Nazis_were_socialists_article_Nazi-German_Labor_Unions_info

IT'S ALL RIGHT
STARVE THE PROGASITE

[xbjllb]

IT'S ALL RIGHT
HUMOR THE TROGLODYTE

[xbjllb]

Which do you think Gringowhore likes more?

Making up words, making up history, making up lies, or all of the above?

[xbjllb]

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/warning-what

Wow, it's good to know that SOMEONE is apparently reading my "silly" mega-tsunami posts.

[gringoman]

(Reuters) - Senator John McCain predicted on Tuesday a third political party will emerge in response to Americans' economic frustrations and said it might as well be called "the Fed-Up Party."//http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-washington-summit-mccain-idUSTRE7A77U820111108
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(LABOR from Marx to FDR to Hitler to Obama) Hitler Didn’t Outlaw Unions – As a National Socialist, He Went Double-Down On Them// Brooks Bayne///http://thegraph.com/2011/02/hitler-didnt-outlaw-unions-as-a-national-socialist-he-went-double-down-on-them/

[thebuckstopshere]

worthy of 3 minutes & 55 seconds of your time........

http://www.breitbart.tv/analysis-anti-semitism-and-obamas-occupywallstreet-movement/

GIVE US CHOICE 2012

[@JET457]

Ohioans were faced with an all or nothing choice on SB5. Had the Police and Firefighters not been included in SB5, I don't think the vote would have been so one-sided. However, now when municipalities have no $$ to keep paying for services provided by public union employees, they are also faced with an all or nothing choice: eliminate the position or declare bankruptcy. In either case, the worker, and his family, along with the general public, will suffer. I hope the 320K State Employees enjoy their Pyrrhic victory.

[DJ]

"The voters of Ohio basically screwed themselves over. A real shame. A tragedy, really." ( --Monica)

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Indeed, WP. But lest we forget what Plato said: "The masses are incurably ignorant." Moreover, what happend in Ohio, puts truth to the canard that America is a right of center country.

At any rate, Ron Paul has been preaching Austrian economics for decades. Does anyone listen? Apparently not many. So we go back we go to Plato's truism.

Sad.

Sad for America.

http://mises.org/daily/5796/The-Clear-Language-of-the-Austrian-School

[Mike Lunn]

I agree Monica about the union vote. The people of Ohio spoke, but I am not sure they fully understand what they are going to get. With their vote, they are saying they want higher taxes and layoffs to balance the budget. They now have said concession­s on the lavish benefits the public unions get, that no one gets anymore in the private sector, is not the answer. So, the people of Ohio have said it is OK for public union bosses to hold the general public hostage every time they want something. Raising taxes. They want to pit neighbor against neighbor. There will be buyers remorse when those checks have to be written for higher property and school taxes. There will be buyers remorse when the young, enthusiastic, recently well educated school teachers get laid of because of tenure. Good luck Ohio. Like Monica said, Ohio, you have screwed yourselves. In 2012, Reps will finish what we started in 2010.

[gringoman]

TRENDING: Karen Kraushaar calls Herman Cain 'a serial denier/ "He will deny if it is four or 40 women," she said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/08/first-accuser-calls-cain-a-serial-denier/

gringoNOTE: My advice to conservatives who are still blindly sitting on the Cain train. Get off it now while you still MIGHT have time for an alternative to the G.O.P's Paleface Obama, i.e. Mitt Obamaneycare. They're pushing him and his very slick operation at you more and more every day. While you're still gawking at the noisy, sputtering Cain Train, they're booking their Paleface on a corporate jet bound for the GOP nomination. Snap out of it, or else....

[borderbriar]

You may be overreaching in assuming the vote was only pro-union. People may have considered and rejected the two alternatives to well paid professionals in government jobs: the old spoils system where they were given out to those who organized the boss' political victory or having them filled by the leftovers private industry doesn't want. I don't mean to suggest there should not be a lot of low paying jobs as an alternative to long term unemployment and to help entry level people get a start.

You overlook the anger at Kasich and others who campaigned on jobs and immediately focused their attention on tearing down unions and taking away women's rights. Pay for government workers may have got out of proportion, but people want it adjusted by bargaining, not dictatorship.

It's encouraging people are paying enough attention to see Obamacare is unworkable as well as failing to address real needs. People understand leaving employers in control of health insurance makes them virtual slaves. They are beginning to wake up to how much drug companies and the medical establishment manipulate the market. If we can begin to get things back toward a free market, they may begin to realize things should go back to the way the ancient Chinese did it by paying the doctor to keep them well instead of his making his profit from treating illness.

[Jay]

What the voters of Ohio showed. And, what the people of Wisconsin will also show. Is, that the people of the country don't like the GOP taking away their rights. It wasn't a powere of the Unions that one. but, the people of Ohio!

[amERICan PATriot]

Monica,
I see the #OWS crowd has now occupied your "park" with their chaotic, foolish threats and demands. It has been fun (and downright hilarious at times) reading their insane and inane rabble as they rail against each other and against "the Man" while lying in the same putrified tent. The Oc-comparison is uncanny. hahahaha!!!
Straight up: These nuts clearly have no idea what most Americans are truly fuming about. If they did, they would zip up their tents and sing their hippie songs as loud as possible in the hopes of drowning out the coming backlash.
And it's coming. So you painsy boys might want to armor up because there's an Army of folks who actually know how to successfully occupy a nation and they'll be marching into booths in 2012 to take back our nation from your fruit-cake protestations! You roaches might want to scuttle back into the darkness now, where you belong.

[Jay]

Should have been,
"power of the Unions that won"

[Jay]

Also keep in mind that Walker exempted police and firefighters from his union reforms ----Monica

That was because the police and firefighters backed him. If, they had not. They would NOT have been exempted.
Also, the Ohio results showed that the Koch brother's money wasn't enough to prevent the will of the people.
The GOP will find other states that the will of the people will win out against the GOP and the Koch brothers. Several GOP politicians lost last night.

[DJ]

TRENDING: Karen Kraushaar calls Herman Cain 'a serial denier/ "He will deny if it is four or 40 women," she said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/08/first-accuser-calls-cain-a-serial-denier/

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Eh! Most people misinterpret Negroes' playful nature wrt all things sexual. In other words, what is usually meant as completely innocent banter, is likely to be taken as sexual harassment by a woman raised in a white middle-class culture. A culture that has been steeped in Second Wave Feminism since the 1970s, I might add. I;ll bet that was the case between Herman Cain and Karen Kraushaar. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Jay]

And all opposition will disappear in a puff of smoke once the Democrats put through the public option in 2013.

And they will. Thanks to you and yours!

Posted by: xbjllb | November 09, 2011 at 09:15 AM

Most of the people wanted the publc option.