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RafeMasters_76

You are delusional, Monica. Can you explain why you are protecting the wealthy? Why are they more important?

Truther

Say goodbye to the WTO :

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2011/july11/11-07-22.html

Here. Here. Author!

Brian M

I was so moved by the President's speech. I want to become a "Fall Fellow" and pick up the gauntlet of the "Summer Organizers" that marched into the valley of the shadow of death to cure all the wows of America on the backs of those who make over 250k. I was moved to want to pay more tax to the Fed. Govt. so that the 47% of Americans who pay no tax can continue to have their satellite TVs and tint their car windows.

RafeMasters_76

I agree that we shouldn't apply higher tax rates to those making over $250K. But anyone with a rational head would agree that the oil companies reeking billions of dollars in profits should pay their taxes and those that do own corporate jets should pay their taxes. We are talking about wealthy people, not rich people. There is a difference.

Ummahgummah

We are talking about wealthy people, not rich people. There is a difference.

POSTED BY: RAFEMASTERS_76 | JULY 26, 2011 AT 10:55 AM

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No REEEAAALLY.. ?! D-uh.

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Jay

1. He began by blaming President Bush (soooo 2008) on tax rates (which he extended) and the prescription drug benefit entitlement (which he supported). Cannot believe that he's STILL blaming Bush. Did someone forget to change his batteries? Are his speechwriters just too busy playing shirtless beer pong? Or is he really that petty in his obsession with throwing his predecessor down the stairs
Monica

If, the shoe fits. Obama was dealt a very bad poker habd and is doing what he can, while fighting the teabaggers.
But, your BELOVED Bush was dealt a Royal Flush with Clinton's surplus. What did he do? He screwed it up everyway he could think of.
Engaged in the Republican tactics like Reagan of cut taxes and borrow more. Those 2 did a worse job of the debt than any Democrat. Bush raised it more than Obama.
But, Clinton was smart, he raised the taxes to more healthy levels and had a surplus.
Obama had no choice in going along with bush' tax cuts.

RafeMasters_76

Ummah, me thinks you like me. :)

RafeMasters_76

You can clearly see the damage Bush has done to this country by viewing the graph in the link below. Obama is simply trying to turn this economy around. The GOP just simply wants to get in the way of any success for this administration for their own political selfish reasons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/obamas-and-bushs-effect-on-the-deficit-in-one-graph/2011/07/25/gIQAELOrYI_blog.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

Jay

"As for our current national debt crisis, when President Johnson left the White House in 1968, it was a little over 358 billion dollars. When George W. Bush left the White House 40 year later, at the end of 2008, it had reached over 10 trillion dollars [$10,024,724,896,912]. Over the span of these 40 years, Republican administrations [Nixon/Ford/Reagan/2 Bushes] presided over 28 years and Democratic administrations [Carter/Clinton] presided over 12 years. The national debt increased by 7.78 trillion dollars during the Republican administrations, at an annual rate of 277.874 billion dollars. On the other hand, it increased by about 1.886 trillion dollars during the Democratic administrations, at an annual rate of 157.21 billion dollars. In short, if the Democrats have been “Tax & Spend” party, the Republicans have been the “Borrow & Spend” party. 70% of the national debt is held domestically by those who can afford to buy treasury bonds. In other words, instead of paying taxes, America’s richest are lending their tax savings to the middle class and collecting interest from them. That is, the interest on the national debt is a “Financial Security” program for the rich. As for the myth that tax cuts for the rich create jobs, the facts are otherwise."

Posted by: Jay | July 25, 2011 at 09:43 PM

That, Jay. Finds the truth!

Poppa Blues

You nailed it Monica!

Jay

8. Says he: "Raising the debt ceiling was routine"

Sure was under the Republican presidents. Reagan holds the world record! 17 times.

Ummahgummah

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LOL The so-called Conservative-leaning "independent" first tried to lecture us with a "thinkk progress" link, now he tries again with Commie Ezra Klein.

We're REEEAAALLLY REEEAAAALLY convinced now.

LOL

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Ummahgummah

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Oh and just for good measure: BUT BOOOSH!

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Jay

http://www.politicususa.com/en/jp-morgan-middle-class

Posted by: RafeMasters_76 | July 25, 2011 at 10:03 AM


"How many working class Republicans do you know? How many blindly vote against their own economic interest? It is not their fault, they have just been duped into believing the conservative mantra that the government is stealing their money, when in actuality it is the wealthy who are stealing their money."


"Each and every time the federal government reduces taxes on the wealthiest in this country, that translates to lower state aid from the federal government. The states increase sales tax then push the burden onto the local towns and cities by cutting local aid from the state capitols that help fund schools, build roads etc. This then translates to reduced police, firemen, teachers, parks and senior centers, and/or higher property taxes on the small business owners and middle class homeowners.

In a recent report in a JP Morgan memo to their investors from Michael Cembalest, the chief investment officer he says, “US labor compensation is now at a 50-year low relative to both company sales and US GDP.” Cembalest continues to explain why corporate profits are so strong while the rest of the working class are feeling the pinch, “reductions in wages and benefits explain the majority of the net improvement in margins.” 75% of the increase in profit margins directly correlate with the reduction in workers’ wages.

Why are your Republican friends aggravated? They aren’t getting paid their fair share of the national GDP and economic growth and they are paying an increased burden of the taxation in this country. Think about this, as you work harder for a company and productivity increases, you’re not seeing your share of the profits you helped the company earn.

If you remember the report earlier this year that 50% of American do not pay taxes?

Well that turns out to be first and foremost a cherry picked piece of data. That is directly from 2009, when more people were unemployed, President Obama’s tax cuts for working families etc. In any other year that number hovers around 35%.

So the next time you have a discussion with a working class Republican, ask them when is the last time they heard their candidate(s) ever mentioned American wages being on the decline."

The regulars on the memo will say that the middle class is being screwed because we TAX DA RICH! SO, STOP IT!

RafeMasters_76

So that I can understand where you are coming from, as a rational person trying to understand your rationale, you aren't open to anyone's take, analysis, research, position, opinion, conclusion, unless it is directly from a Conservative point of view?

Isn't that narrowmindness is exactly what's wrong with this country?

Jay

Oh and just for good measure: BUT BOOOSH!

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM

he did screw up Clinton's surplus.

You can ignore that fact. But, you CAN'T change it!

Jay

"What’s also important, but not evident, on this chart is that Obama’s major expenses were temporary — the stimulus is over now — while Bush’s were, effectively, recurring. The Bush tax cuts didn’t just lower revenue for 10 years. It’s clear now that they lowered it indefinitely, which means this chart is understating their true cost. Similarly, the Medicare drug benefit is costing money on perpetuity, not just for two or three years. And Boehner, Ryan and others voted for these laws and, in some cases, helped to craft and pass them.

To relate this specifically to the debt-ceiling debate, we’re not raising the debt ceiling because of the new policies passed in the past two years. We’re raising the debt ceiling because of the accumulated effect of policies passed in recent decades, many of them under Republicans. It’s convenient for whichever side isn’t in power, or wasn’t recently in power, to blame the debt ceiling on the other party. But it isn’t true."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/obamas-and-bushs-effect-on-the-deficit-in-one-graph/2011/07/25/gIQAELOrYI_blog.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

Posted by: RafeMasters_76 | July 26, 2011 at 11:06 AM

The regulars on the memo would NEVER click on a link that shows the Conservatives in a bad light.

Ummahgummah

So that I can understand where you are coming from, as a rational person trying to understand your rationale, you aren't open to anyone's take, analysis, research, position, opinion, conclusion, unless it is directly from a Conservative point of view?

Isn't that narrowmindness is exactly what's wrong with this country?

POSTED BY: RAFEMASTERS_76 | JULY 26, 2011 AT 11:16 AM

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Tell it to your Bill [richboy] Mahers, your FAT Al Fartsons and your racist Jesse Jercksons.

Until then spare us the rhetoric.

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RafeMasters_76

I feel sorry for you, Ummah. Seriously. You are part of the problem, not the solution to this country.

Jay

11. The class warfare BS is so anti-American as to be borderline treasonous."

Why is it that I find more and more wealthy people that say that the Class Warfare is being done BY the rich AT the middle class?

Now, J.P Morgan.

Maybe Monica's one of the Wealthy?

the middle class is being screwed because we TAX DA RICH! SO, STOP IT!

Scott

Obama not thinking about reelection? That was thebiggest lie of the night right there. He has done nothingbut campagin all year long.

Ummahgummah

So that I can understand where you are coming from, as a rational person trying to understand your rationale, you aren't open to anyone's take, analysis, research, position, opinion, conclusion, unless it is directly from a Conservative point of view?

Isn't that narrowmindness is exactly what's wrong with this country?

POSTED BY: RAFEMASTERS_76 | JULY 26, 2011 AT 11:16 AM

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Tell it to your Bill [richboy] Mahers, your FAT Al Fartsons and your racist Jesse Jercksons.

Until then spare us the rhetoric.

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POSTED BY: UMMAHGUMMAH | JULY 26, 2011 AT 11:25 AM


I feel sorry for you, Ummah. Seriously. You are part of the problem, not the solution to this country.

POSTED BY: RAFEMASTERS_76 | JULY 26, 2011 AT 11:28 AM

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Guys, you see how the libs "argue"?

First they are not libs but "reasonable Conservatives" who just happen to quote from ultra-liberal sources.

Then they complain that WE don't like the sources and should be "open to all information".

When it is suggested that libs tell that to their own before they go proselytizing to others, the name-calling starts again.

CLASSIC.

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RafeMasters_76

Speaking of liars, what were Bush's reasons for the Iraq war again?

Ummahgummah

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As if you needed further proof that libs are, well.. NUTS:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/8294-walnuts-are-drugs-says-fda

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Ummahgummah

Speaking of liars, what were Bush's reasons for the Iraq war again?

POSTED BY: RAFEMASTERS_76 | JULY 26, 2011 AT 11:40 AM

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Yeah, speaking of YOU, DOUCHEBAGGER. YOU who LIED about being a "conservative-leaning independent".

Go crawl back to whatever Soros-funded boiler room you came from.

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borderbriar

Let's get real, Monica. The biggest lie that keeps being told is that those millionaires and billionaires are job creators. With the exception of a few Silicon Valley types who may be millionaires on paper at present, those guys are the ones raking in bonuses for aborting American jobs and shipping them to China or hiring illegal aliens or whatever else they can do to lower the American standard of living. The small business people who are the actual job creators are struggling to get by on so little they may fall into that 47% who pay no income tax.

The founding fathers set up the country with a totally progressive tax system in which taxes were paid only by those well enough off to buy imported things or luxuries such as whiskey. There was the practical consideration that you can't get blood out of a turnip, but also they understood basic capitalism and knew it would thrive only when low income people were left money to start businesses or buy products.

It's interesting that Rush Limbaugh a while back remarked that Mexico's government was so corrupt that 40% of Mexico's people were held in poverty so Mexico needed a communist revolution to correct things. Why a communist revolution rather than capitalist is known only to Rush. With 47% of Americans being held in poverty, admittedly mostly gentile poverty, because corporations direct money to the top few percent, might America need a capitalist revolution?

RafeMasters_76

Funny how you call people with different (more rational) point of view nuts. Same guy who makes it sound like there's a conspiracy with every comment that he disagrees with.

Do you see Lil' Jimmy too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V204mAuE9iI

Ummahgummah

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when I say that libs are NUTS I come up with PROOF, like the FDA classifying walnuts as a drug so they can regulate it on behalf of their Big Pharma clients who paid handsomely for the Bama's 2008 campaign and are looking to get repaid now.

Plus the fact that busybody liberal control freak live to control and manage every aspect of everyone else's lives.

Which explains why libs love the moHAMedan savages so much.

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Jay

"First they are not libs but "reasonable Conservatives" who just happen to quote from ultra-liberal sources"

My "liberal" sources?

Most of my sources have been:
IRS
Bureau of Labor Statistics
Office of Management and Budget
US Budget office
TreasuryDirect.gov
CBO
GAO
all federal government sources.

Jay

The FDA are liberals because of walnuts?

Thought they were a government agency.

The drug companies in their fight against health food stores. have pushed for legislation that only drugs can cure a disease.
That's why HEARTBURN is a disease.
that's why every ailment is a disease.
That's why walnuts can not make the same claim. Even though heart doctors will tell you that eating a handful of walnuts will reduce your risk of heart attacks by 60%
Guess The walnut industry is just going along with the laws that were create by the Drug industry.

RafeMasters_76

And Rick Perry "praying solution" as a means to deal with the debt crisis is not a nutty thing? Or his feeling about being "called upon"? It seems quite apparent that one side is nutter than the other. Especially with the rants you go on.

Ummahgummah

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Look at the GAYLIB inserting itself into the debate once again.

WE DO NOT TALK TO TROLLS WHO SPAM UP THE MEMO.

WE DO NOT CARE.

LIBS ARE LIARS AND WE DON'T CARE.

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Brian M

If all Americans are equal, all Americans should pay income tax. Including the 47% who currently do not. You "OBAMA FOR AMERICA" Fall Fellows go out and ask that 47% to start paying their equal fair share. You "Summer Organizers" ask you fellow equal Americans to pay their equal share.

Ummahgummah

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Looks as if a cartoonist in 1948 foretold the future under the Bama:

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-fetched-in-1948.html

He even nailed the won to a T!

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Jay

Look at the GAYLIB inserting itself into the debate once again.

WE DO NOT TALK TO TROLLS WHO SPAM UP THE MEMO.

WE DO NOT CARE.

LIBS ARE LIARS AND WE DON'T CARE.

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 26, 2011 at 12:17 PM

facts are facts. Just like Conservatives have to resort to their CHILD side in discussions.
They have to go to their name calling.

There is a name for that.

"Argumentum Ad Hominem"

It's when they avoid the point in a discussion by trying to be insulting instead.

Ummahgummah

The FDA are liberals because of walnuts?

[YES and you are OBTUSE, an IDIOT plain and simple]

Thought they were a government agency.

[Yeah no SH*T. And guess what administration appointed the heads of the various government agencies, IDIOT!]

The drug companies in their fight against health food stores. have pushed for legislation that only drugs can cure a disease.
That's why HEARTBURN is a disease. -----. LOOOOOOL
that's why every ailment is a disease. ----> LOOOOOL

[Thank you for your brilliant explanations O WISE ONE LOOOOOOOOL]

That's why walnuts can not make the same claim. Even though heart doctors will tell you that eating a handful of walnuts will reduce your risk of heart attacks by 60%
Guess The walnut industry is just going along with the laws that were create by the Drug industry.

[Kids, you can't argue with the insane. This boy is so illogically liberal that we night as well be speaking different languages.]

POSTED BY: JAY | JULY 26, 2011 AT 12:13 PM

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As per OPC policy I normally don't answer this most obtuse of libs but there is a limit to my benevolence.

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Truther

Rafe - got to stop subsidizing the third world assault on our economy. Stopping the Left, who have opened the door for them is more important than punishing the rich. We have to end the WTO and its "Punish on the US" arrangements. We still do not have country of origin labeling.

Tax and Spend; Borrow and Spend - liked that!

I see no problem raising taxes on outsourcing companies, if they are matched with expenditure cuts. This would make up for borrow and spend :-)
Double down on the debt, and this dampens the outsourcing which is positive for jobs (not Apple but employment).

Jay

[Thank you for your brilliant explanations O WISE ONE


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Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Anytime Ummah. Glad to be of help.

Still with the Conservative mindset:

These discussions are difficult. So, will respond with my, "Trusty Argumentum Ad Hominem."


Where do those who work for the FDA come from? You guessed it. FORMER employees of the drug companies.

Jay

And, now because of the drug companies HEARTBURN IS CONSIDERED A DISEASE!So are all other ailments.
Drug companies only want their drugs to be the standard treatment for everything.

xbjllb

"13. He refers to achieving "a more perfect union." Do you know what he ACTUALLY means by that? He means changing America into a socialist nation. That's what he means by "more perfect."

Read Number 13 again. That's not only the most important point to take away from his speech last night. It's the most important point about this psychotic Marxist's presidency, period." - Monica Crowley


Hoo boy, is fiance ever going to have a handful as you progress further along the pregnancy and can't take your (bad for the baby) tranquilizers.

Here's a remodeling hint: Convert the master into a rubber room.

No, really.

Monica. MONICA!!

Obama is President. NOT me. Obama. President. Moderate. The one bent over with the GOP's prong up his rear.

Me. Christian Socialist. ULTIMATE Truther Pest. NOT BENT OVER. NOT President.

Remember?

I can see how the rest of this campaign is going to go:

Right Wing, screaming like human fly in end of original "The Fly" movie in a teeny tiny sped-up voice:

OBAMA! SOCIALIST! COMMIE! MARXIST! HITLER! STALIN! DAHMER! TERRORISTS! ATTACKED US ON 9-11!!

American People: ROFLMFAO

Democrats: ROFLMFAO

That's if the debt ceiling IS miraculously raised without compromise on the left.

If it isn't?

Right Wing, screaming like human fly in end of original "The Fly" movie in a teeny tiny sped-up voice:

OBAMA! SOCIALIST! COMMIE! MARXIST! HITLER! STALIN! DAHMER! TERRORISTS! ATTACKED US ON 9-11!!

Democrats: TO THE BASTILLE!!

AMERICAN PEOPLE: TO THE GUILLOTINE!!

Desperation is really pathetic.

Sad. So much wasted potential, so much thrown-away talent.

xbjllb

One day, not in this world of course, but in the next, the fascist right wing will learn that, had they ever attacked Obama for REAL reasons, the reasons the left didn't like him, they might have gotten somewhere.

But no, they had absolutely nothing real to attack him for, so they farted it out of their collective asses, and the smell, horrific and sulphurous as it was, disseminated immediately into thin air before anyone but they, themselves could smell it.

And of course, poisonous as it was, it ended up killing them and no one else.

God is wise.

gringoman

As per OPC policy I normally don't answer this most obtuse of libs but there is a limit to my benevolence.

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Ummah, isn't this the troll who tells us his father was in WWII? He's the one with the bag of Dem billionaire and Union Boss Talking Points who tells us how "logical" he is, and then sidles up to a loony bird in a stolen Jesus robe who screams about the "warmongers" and "fascists" etc ad bloviatum?

Is that the "logical" and "honest" dronebot you mean?

xbjllb

My dad was in WW II too. Navy MCPO.

You Nazi FOR'S (Friends of Reivik) aren't going to get Jay out of here, and I'm not going anywhere either.

You've already got innocent blood on your hands because of your unending hate and bullshit. Only a matter of time before it's American blood.

gringoman

Rafe - got to stop subsidizing the third world assault on our economy. Stopping the Left, who have opened the door for them is more important than punishing the rich.
Posted by: Truther | July 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

The Left can't stop it's Class War. Muslims can't give up jihad. Leftniki can't give up TAX DA RICH, especially since most of that drivel is just camouflage for its war on the "bourgeoisie" which also means anyone not dependent on the spiritual death of their Nanny State,

Some among these socialists are intelligent enough to understand an overwhelming fact: They have never cut their umbilical cord to Mama Karl Marx. But the few who understand that are still not honest enough to admit it. They're not all Marxists, capable of somewhat rational thought. Many are just the degenerated, ignorant form, defined in the Gringo World Dictionary under the neologism, 'MARXOBOT.'(previously posted at Monicamemo.)

We see through them all. Oh, yes, we do.

xbjllb

While you right wingers are jackboot stomping the economy behind your backs while standing at attention and yelling en masse "OBAMA DESTROYED THE ECONOMY" you might just want to take a look via polls where the eyes of most of America are aimed.

That's right. At your jackbooted feet. Been that way for months now.

Bye bye little fly-human hybrids. Bye-bye!

Here comes the big bad Obama spider.

And behind him? The American People.

xbjllb

"Some among these socialists are intelligent enough to understand an overwhelming fact: They have never cut their umbilical cord to Mama Karl Marx." - Gringoman

You lose. Never read Marx. Ever.

But I've read the gospels. JESUS CHRIST WAS THE FIRST SOCIALIST.

And your arch enemy.

xbjllb

CHRISTIANITY = CAPITALIST SOCIALISM

IF Christianity is what Jesus Christ said, taught, did, how He lived, and how and why He died.

There is no other possible RATIONAL conclusion.

xbjllb

The only thing "wrong" with socialism?

It's the arch enemy of big business and corporate control of gutted government, otherwise knows from the beginning as

FASCISM, INC.

Now the Chinese are pulling WAY ahead with their Capitalist Socialism, atheist variety.

I think it's far beyond time that America starts copying people that are far more successful than they are.

40 years of GOP right wing corporate fascist rule and GOP "minority" RULE have brought the US to the brink of financial annihilation.

NO MORE. Class warfare? On steroids.

Now the American People have had enough and are ready to fight BACK.

No one knows if Christian Socialism works, because BIG BUSINESS never let America even come close to trying it.

Corporations have NO ethics; NO souls; NO morals.

Unless they are regulated into law. PERIOD.

Chinese "socialism" has gone the way of the Wild West. NO regulation there, of any kind.

Poisonous products... poisonous polluted land, rivers.

There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. Enough of doing things the wrong way.

Corporations must be held accountable or they must be eradicated.

It couldn't be simpler.

gringoman

BELMONT CLUB/////The End of Innocence
July 24th, 2011 - 12:39 am
The truth shall set you free and the apparent truth is that Anders Behring Breivik, the man who planted the car bomb in Oslo and massacred scores of young people, had no apparent relationship to any Islamic organization. On the contrary, he wrote a manifesto (warning the authenticity has not been verified) emblazoned with a cross, declaring his intention to start a European Civil War. And he did it in the name of ideas which many persons who have accounted themselves reasonable might have agreed with in parts.

This “civil war” would come in three phases, he predicts. The first runs through 2030 and includes “open source warfare, military shock attacks by clandestine cell systems (and) further consolidation of conservative forces.”

Between 2030 and 2070, he calls for “more advanced forms of resistance groups (and the) preparation of pan-European coup d’etats.” The final stage features the deposition of Europe’s leaders and “implementation of a cultural conservative political agenda.” …

“The situation is just chaotic,” he writes, noting that “thousands of Muslims” are coming into his country annually. “These suicidal traitors must be stopped.”

It contains an extensive preliminary section detailing the historical path of the conflict between Islam and Christendom, going so far as to remind us why the Knights Templar, Hospitallers and the Teutonic Knights were founded and recasts his movement as reincarnation of that effort. In order to describe why it is needed he turns to Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’or, Bruce Bawer, Timothy Garton Ash, Walid Shoebat and various other commentators on the current War on Terror to say that a toxic mix of multiculturalism, Marxism and Islam are the reasons why today’s Europe “is burning”.

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/

xbjllb

We get it. Anders Behring Breivik is a right wing anti-Christian christianist psychopath calling for jihad against all Islam and punishing a bunch of kids at a camp that called for a Palestinian return to THEIR homeland and peace with Islam. The ONLY possible answer for the planet's survival.

He sure showed them. And you, UG, longrifle, and DJ are different.......... how???????

You've posted (mostly UG) the same diatribes, the same hate, the same exact call to jihad thousands of times in thousands of posts. Only adding liberals and progressives and even MODERATES who disagree with you to your list of targets.

What, you're different because one of you or your readers hasn't run out and shot up a bunch of kids? YET!?

How do you know longrifle isn't out there right now with his gun "The Holy Spirit" getting ready to do exactly that to a bunch of American kids?

You guys have a problem. A credibility problem. And maybe mental problems as well.

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