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May 05, 2011

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thebuckstopshere

it is the economy stupid & billy clinton (the workingman's friend) signed NAFTA/GATT into law practically wiping out any manufacturing base in this country. the good news however McDonalds (not Douglas) hired 62000 part time employees. want some fries with that welfare check?

"both" parties are responsible for this MESS
way past time for a second imo

EQUAL REPRESENTATION FOR WHAT'S LEFT OF THE MIDDLE CLASS 2012

thebuckstopshere

& what gopper do you recommend to do the wiping? we are all very curious

NO RINOS 2012

satan

YT (whitea) what do shittaste like

thebuckstopshere

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=645163&GT1=28101

more trouble for the commando in chief?

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thebuckstopshere

it's the economy stupid

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9N1E4S01&show_article=1

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thebuckstopshere

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/05/us-usa-budget-debt-idUSTRE7445ZH20110505?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

let's see how their collective balls bounce on this eh?

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thebuckstopshere

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/05/us-usa-budget-cantor-idUSTRE7445US20110505?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

ball in your court apparently Mr VICE president

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FK

Those of us who supported Obama the first time around now support him more than ever. We thank him for not doing something stupid, like getting distracted by starting a new, uncalled-for, and useless war like certain idiots, and sticking to the mission we should have been on in the first place: Killing Osama bin Laden.

You wingnuts will go on and on about how Bush got everything in place for Obama to benefit. But Bush should have been the one to use them. He had 8 years, but instead got caught up in an adventure and wearing flight suits.

Hooray for Obama!

thebuckstopshere

ya know I know some people who voted for the one too, & funny they refuse to discuss him or his policies.

My very good friend at card games shrieks at the mention of his name NO POLITICS, but to me that is NOT defending your VOTE.

hey about the Libiya situation, how is that CHANGE working for ya?

NO RINOS 2012

thebuckstopshere

as well, FK, according to Madeline Albright in 2003 she stated they already had Osama on ICE, just waiting for that politically correct moment....hmmmm


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gringoman

////A poll bounce today could morph into a poll wipe-out tomorrow. It is, after all, the economy, stupid./////

REVEREND RAYISS KAARD......Miss Monca, you got it right, but only half right. It's the 'conomy, yeah, but not like under Bubba Clinton.

Ain't you heard the sistah who that Shawn Hammity like to play on the radio? That girl know it's about the OBAMONY, not the economy. You hear her?

"Obama, he gonna pay my 'lectric bill. Obama, he gonna pay my rent. I love that man. Obama, he gonna put food on my table. I ain't got a flat screen tee-vee yet, but who knows? He gonna pay me an' my other boyfrien' unemployment. That Obama, he is a REAL black man. Guess who I vote for?..."

See?

It's the Obamony, stupid!

thebuckstopshere

obamnomics hehehe

two squared does not equal four score & 7 years ago

its the obamony stupid! good one!

NO RINOS 2012

FK

I was just thinking the other day about how Bush saw a surplus and decided to send everyone in America a check for a few hundred dollars, and that was supposed to be a stimulus. I appreciate that the post-Bush economy is in bad shape, and Obama is not pulling stupid stunts like that for the sake of popularity.

Instead, he does something truly significant. He takes out the world's most wanted terrorist two years into his term. Go, Obama!

gringoman

I dunno bout all dat, Rev.

I still have strong suspicions the Obama team is withholding the pics. so as to not offend the anti-war segment of his voter base. If he released those photos, then it would probably be perceived by them as Obama, himself, approves of, and endorses that level of violence. hence, they'd feel they've be betrayed by the Bamster; thus, they wouldn't support him in the next election.

In large part, it's purely a political calculation on the part of the Obama team, I suppose.

Posted by: DJ | May 05, 2011 at 02:13 PM

REVEREND RAYISS KAARD....Mistah DJ, if what you say is true, look to me like this is what's goin' down....

The Imam ain't give the word yet. Thas why the mooslim street still home in bed. They waitin' for the Imam to give the word. But the Imam ain't givin' no word unless Barry release the DEAD OSAMA stuff. Why? Thas easy. How else they gonna blame the infidels? How else they gonna pin it on Uncle Satan? Internet don't bother them. Can't pin it on Amerka. But if Obama release DEAD OSAMA, then you see what happened. The Imam give the word, and the mooslim street get outta bed!

If Barry's base is keepin' him from releasin', then his base is keepin' the Imam from gettin' the mooslims to go rompin' an' stompin'.

Know what I sayin' an' 'splainin'?

jay


What's even kookier than those examples cited by Jay is: some white people actually beleive if the marginal tax rates are raised to 90% again, America will be back on the road to balanced budgets, full employment, and an expanding middle-class. Does it get any kookier than that?

Posted by: DJ | May 05, 2011 at 10:19 AM
Still putting race into the equation?

What I have said, is that the low tax rates of now. Never has worked and never will.Didn't say it had to be back at 90%. Heck even Clinton did better with 39%
The LAST time the Republicans balanced the budget, we had "your 91%
Boy, conservatives don't care about the truth. They just want to believe their little fantasy land!
Bush, told the oil people to keep the oil rates low to help the election.
Conservative economics. Low tax rates. the money will trickle down and help unemployment.
But, the people don't know that all we want to do is to help ourselves.That's why the rich are getting richer HeHE!

jay

Of course the Republicans don't want any tax hikes. It's their idels on economy that created the Depression and the recessions. With their infamous tax cuts.

jay

Remember, it was a Republican President that took our Surplus and reversed it. Boy, these conservatives are economy killers!

gringoman

I was just thinking the other day about how Bush saw a surplus and decided to send everyone in America a check for a few hundred dollars, and that was supposed to be a stimulus. I appreciate that the post-Bush economy is in bad shape, and Obama is not pulling stupid stunts like that for the sake of popularity.


Posted by: FK | May 05, 2011 at 03:56 PM

REVEREND RAYISS KAARD....FKman, you know what? You right. You a whiteskin librul, right? An' you legal, right? You know that Barry doan give out no measly few hundert dollahs. He give out unemployment, an' keep givin' it out, an' keep givin' it out. Thas our Barry! He also way more poplar even on Wall Street than Bush Man ever was. Them Goldman Suchs dudes, they love our Barry. Same wit all those big banks and corprashuns would go bankrupt for their greedy ways, but Barry save their big business butts. Thas our Barry. He know how to shack wit the black an' stand tall wit the Wall!

Why cain't Miss Monca see it? You pokey white libruls see. When they talk national debt, you know it's only the KKK an' the Wall Street ain't yet in Barry's pocket, suckin' on them bailouts. An' the Tea Party, the little people what pay taxes, , tryin' to say they is the ones payin' for it all, but you an' me know they really want to dress up in white sheets. Right FKman?

Hee-ya, Hee-ya!

LongRifle

"We thank him for not doing something stupid, like getting distracted by starting a new, uncalled-for, and useless war like certain idiots, and sticking to the mission we should have been on in the first place: Killing Osama bin Laden."---FK

I guess you're predicting all the wars Bush started are going to be stopped by Obama now, huh? We'll forget Libya for now, huh? Maybe close Gitmo, too?Get real.
Obama will be invading Pakistan under some bull-sheet cover of "stopping the Taliban (Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Brotherhood, etc.) from getting the nukes" before the year is out.
He is serving Bush's third term as well as Carter's second. He has no clue how to fix the economy or create a single job, since job creation and more government are diametrically opposed to each other.
Although the decision was big, killing Bin Laden was not a big thing; it was a little thing. The man has done nothing for ten years, It's like hanging the 99 year old Nazis in Argentina.
But...What are the REAL unemployment numbers? With 1-in-7 Americans now getting food stamps, gas averaging $3.99 per gallon, and the dollar at $.79, nothing is getting better for the American people. Remember, government jobs basically have to be paid for by the private sector; so the more of those, the worse it gets. Let's hear it for Obama....(crickets)...

jay

"Because a little-known Southern governor named Bill Clinton incessantly pounded one simple message: "It's the economy, stupid."
So, the conservatives took Clinton's surplus. screwed it big time. And, Obama has to clean up the mess left by a Republican. It's always conservatives that leave a mess for others to clean.

jay

The low dollar is because of Nixon getting off the gold standard and letting it float in the markets. The oil prices being high are because of the floating dollar, the problems in the mideast and speculators. Taking our reserves at 16 year high, being affected by the mideast. And, creating their self fullfilling phropecy. Buy oil, price goes up. They make money.

"Same wit all those big banks and corprashuns would go bankrupt for their greedy ways, but Barry save their big business butts. Thas our Barry"

So Barry is Bush. since Bush created the 700 billion TARP fund for the banks.

thebuckstopshere

whoa pilgrim, correct Bush started the bailout, but it has been in FULL TILT BOOGIE SINCE

look Jay just admit it, you are a DELUDED DEMOCRAP always "wowing" US with your stats.

I am willing to bet that NAFTA/GATT had just a little bit to do with todays economy & that shrinking surplus.

& don't yip up one more time about how that was republican led, that we KNOW. imo what's of much graver importance is billy, the workingmans' candidate SIGNED IT INTO LAW, giving his annoiting of it as good for the US & it ain't by a long shot pal.

PLEASE GIVE ME A CHOICE 2012

Jeff

Obammies work to destroy the economy never ends. Now he is exploring a “Transportation Opportunities Act” to tax the number of miles you drive. More freedoms removed. We already are taxed for the number of miles we drive, it's called the gasoline tax. Another bureaucratic government office to collect said taxes. 2012, here we come!

DJ

"Still putting race into the equation?" ( --Jay)

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No, Jay, it was you who first injected race into this particular issue. Go back and re-read the last thread.

Secondly, it shows a great deal of ignorance on your part if you think you can apply economic models from times past onto today's economic environment and expect the same results. The world is a vastly VASTLY different place than it was even as recent as 20 years ago.

Here's a little axiom for you to ponder, Jay. Hopefully it will to help you get a grasp on the realities we now face in this here global economy we live in: "The only constant is change."

thebuckstopshere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA6pmREvCFE

the profound effects of NAFTA/GATT

INDEPENDENT THINKERS UNITE 2012

thebuckstopshere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLnBnTuxvU&feature=related

Mexico JEFF IMMELT, appointee & greedy hands out for "green contracts" Ceo of GE & MSNBC

He however did give up his seat with the FED

whaddya guy!

PLEASE GIVE ME A CHOICE 2012

thebuckstopshere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOLbD_Fd9A&feature=related

"Ross Perot was right"

best one yet!

jay

whoa pilgrim, correct Bush started the bailout, but it has been in FULL TILT BOOGIE SINCE

look Jay just admit it, you are a DELUDED DEMOCRAP always "wowing" US with your stats.
No, I just show the facts that you people don't want to admit to. Bush started it. Obama issued some of the money that Bush okayed first.

"No, Jay, it was you who first injected race into this particular issue. Go back and re-read the last thread"
No. YOU were the one who started the blacks who could read in Detroit. I commented that there are many whites who can't read. Then, you posted the whites who believe about the 90% rates would help. NICE TRY!


Secondly, it shows a great deal of ignorance on your part if you think you can apply economic models from times past onto today's economic environment and expect the same results. The world is a vastly VASTLY different place than it was even as recent as 20 years ago.

Here's a little axiom for you to ponder, Jay. Hopefully it will to help you get a grasp on the realities we now face in this here global economy we live in: "The only constant is change."

Posted by: DJ | May 05, 2011 at 05:18 PM
SO, you feel that 35% tax rates that Bush started. should unlike years past. help the economy. Didn't help in Bush's watch. Or, do you feel that Bush's years would be a part of the years past?
Or, are you benefiting in profits from the big Tax lie that Conservatives have been shoving for years?

"I am willing to bet that NAFTA/GATT had just a little bit to do with todays economy & that shrinking surplus.

& don't yip up one more time about how that was republican led, that we KNOW. imo what's of much graver importance is billy"
At,least now you admit it.
The FACT is that Billy signed it as a courtesy for Bush. You people will do anything to deny the TRUTH!
And, conservatives call democrats morons! They are like sheep!

Al

Thank the Lord. God bless President Obama and the US military. President Obama deserves all the credit for bringing bin Laden to justice. President Obama got the job done without any Navy Seal getting killed. It only took President Obama 2 years to bring bin Laden to justice; unlike Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

@Monica Crowley(fat girl), Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, and the rest of your conservative right wing nuts need to get chained up, whipped, and pee on until you kneel down and kiss President Obama's feet.
We the american people love and respect Barrack and put him back in office. ITS OBAMA TIME!

jay

The gasoline tax? Started in 1932 by Republican President Hoover. We are not taxed by the miles we drive. If it was, we would all pay different prices for gasoline.

thebuckstopshere

you keep making my arguments, a COURTESY TO BUSH, what about the AMERICAN WORKER?

the TRUTH which you cannot seem to grasp, is THEY ARE ONE, WE ARE NOTHING BUT PAWNS.

TRUTH be told, the older you get, the more CONSERVATIVE you become, in all things, living habits, the way you spend money & save money. The way you look at society & what is acceptable by your moral compass. alot of what is happening today is not acceptable in my world, & I have a tendency to call people out on it.

if bill clinton signed NAFTA/GATT as a courtesy, more than an apology is is order & his wife should resign from politics too. NO MORE OF THE BILL & HILL SHOW FOR ME.

PLEASE I'M BEGGING, CHOICE 2012

jay

So conservatives would understand. While we pay different prices in different parts of the country. My last statement was refering that if we pay taxes per mile driven. Then, each of us would not pay the same price as our neighbors.

thebuckstopshere

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile

Jay please re-read Jeff's post & yes he is very much correct.

we do pay a gas tax, but the one is thinking about taxing the MILES ONE DRIVES TOO, plus a BRAND NEW BUREAUCRATIC DEPT TO COLLECT SAID TAX.

PLEASE RATIONAL CHOICE 2012

thebuckstopshere

WTF?

DONE WITH STAT BOY

"IF THE GODS' HAD WANTED US TO VOTE, THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN US CANDIDATES" Hightower

ANY CHOICE 2012

jay

"“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president"
that one?

jay


WTF?

DONE WITH STAT BOY

"IF THE GODS' HAD WANTED US TO VOTE, THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN US CANDIDATES" Hightower

ANY CHOICE 2012

Posted by: thebuckstopshere | May 05, 2011 at 06:40 PM
Agree. It is easier to continue to believe what you want to. Than, to accept the truth, isn't it?
If you are more willing to call people out on it. Then, why continue believing the lies that politicians told you?
I believed what the mass media said about the Democrats raised the debt more. Spent more. And, lower taxes are better than high ones. Then. I looked at the facts. And, found out otherwise. Try it.
Didn't take me long to find all that.
And, to think I have Reagan's Budget Director to thank!

DJ

Jay,

Yes or no: Did you consider George W. Bush to be a fiscal conservative while he was President?

jay

Not sure. But do you feel that any Republican who raised the debt, spent more was a RHINO?
In other words, If, someone in your party does something like raise the debt. Then, say He wasn't a true party member. If, so you would include ALL Republican Presidents at least since Reagan.
Never said that All democrats were perfect.But, will not try to defend a party by saying that all those who did what I consider are wrongful acts. That they were not true party members.
In any case. My 35% tax rates won't help still applies.

thebuckstopshere

I BELIEVE what I live, & things HAVE NOT GOTTEN BETTER, NOR WILL THEY IMO. You can blather on about gvn't provided stats but have absolutely NO REAL discussion about their effects on the quality of our lives. I speak MY TRUTHS, which come to me from MY life experience kid.

YEAP DONE

NO RINOS 2012

jay

Will toss this in:
http://www.nypress.com/article-9913-the-conservative-case-against-george-w-bush.html
"Forty years ago, when Lyndon Johnson believed the United States could afford both Great Society and the Vietnam War, conservatives attacked his fiscal policies as extravagant and reckless. Ten years ago, the Republican Party regained control of Congress with the Contract with America, which included a balanced-budget amendment to restore fiscal responsibility. But today, thanks to tax cuts and massively increased military spending, the Bush administration has transformed, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a ten-year projected surplus of $5.6 trillion to a deficit of $4.4 trillion: a turnaround of $10 trillion in roughly 32 months."
Does talk about the Bush's tax cuts causing harm.

jay


I BELIEVE what I live, & things HAVE NOT GOTTEN BETTER, NOR WILL THEY IMO. You can blather on about gvn't provided stats but have absolutely NO REAL discussion about their effects on the quality of our lives. I speak MY TRUTHS, which come to me from MY life experience kid.

YEAP DONE

NO RINOS 2012

Posted by: thebuckstopshere | May 05, 2011 at 07:15 PM
Wonder which one of us would be the kid.
All I have done is shown what history from at least 1913 to 2003 have shown in regards to tax rates.
1913? Because that was the start of the taxes that I have refered to. And, the 35% now is the same as it was in 2003.
Above I used the term, "true party members" to include ALL parties.

DJ

Well, Jay, if you are not sure if Dubya was a fiscal conservative or not, then there's no point in any further discussion of economic issues with you. DONE!

jay

"But today, thanks to tax cuts and massively increased military spending, the Bush administration has transformed, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a ten-year projected surplus of $5.6 trillion to a deficit of $4.4 trillion: a turnaround of $10 trillion in roughly 32 months."


As you didn't answer my question. About to use the excuse that those in your party who raise the debt, etc. Are RHINOS. Instaed of admitting that they are in your party.
Even that link I posted that said that Bush was no fiscal conservative. Still agreed with me about his tax cuts hurt the economy.
A 10 trillion turn around in 32 months.
Or, onnce again. is Bush considered the years past?

gringoman

The low dollar is because of Nixon getting off the gold standard and letting it float in the markets. The oil prices being high are because of the floating dollar, the problems in the mideast and speculators. Taking our reserves at 16 year high, being affected by the mideast. And, creating their self fullfilling phropecy. Buy oil, price goes up. They make money.

"Same wit all those big banks and corprashuns would go bankrupt for their greedy ways, but Barry save their big business butts. Thas our Barry"

So Barry is Bush. since Bush created the 700 billion TARP fund for the banks.

Posted by: jay | May 05, 2011 at 04:51 PM

REVEREND RAYCISS KAARD....Like Longrifle say, my man Barry combine Bush an' Jimmuh Cartuh. That too deep for Talkin' Points to unnerstan'? We unnerstan'. Barry so slick, he do rope-a-dope an' the fools who bein' roped dig it. He bail-out the Wall Street punks, an' the cronies love him, they so "progressive." Then he keep payin' out the umemployment checks and hire more Guvmint, an' the union doodads love him. Thas why the white mediastream like him. He so slick. He good for their boss cronies, the union cronies an' the Guvmint jobs. The dude slick. He know how to combine the socialit wit' the fashit. Yeah, mebbe some people got to pay for it, but nobody perfect. An' they can always print up mo' dollars if business fall down.

Yeah, maybe Barry start out in a Indonesia Madrassah, but he wind up in Chicago an' learn the Chicago way. Got them white libruls wettin' theyselves with joy, like FKman.

Hyaa-Hyaa!

LongRifle

Got a Pakistani Intel guy saying Bin Laden has been dead for a couple of years...Ya gotta love it.

Let the conspiracy theories begin...

 M/M


In honor of Mike Spann:

"Spann, 32, was the first American killed in combat during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. Before he left for the region, he told his 8-year-old daughter: "You know people want to kill us and they're trying to kill us. ... People like me have to go do the things that I have to do."

"This would've been his victory day," his father says. "It sure would've.

"I really feel like Mike always thought Osama bin Laden was the cause (of 9/11), and he was the cause. He was the leader of al Qaeda. He's the one who recruited people to kill Americans. And, yes, there is not a doubt in my mind that this would've been a day of victory for Mike -- to know that Osama bin Laden was caught and was killed and some form of justice was served."

Mike Spann had always been driven to get bin Laden. He served in the Marines for eight years before he joined the CIA in 1999. He was always talking about the need to get bin Laden."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-04/us/spann.bin.laden_1_bin-qaeda-mike-spann?_s=PM:US

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Would have been nice to bury Bin Laden's remains at ground zero and erect the monument on top of his grave, so he can carry the burden of what he did into the afterlife. What a way to honor our fallen by having their memory squashing his memory.

jay

"He bail-out the Wall Street punks, an' the cronies love him, they so "progressive."
Gringoman. Glad you admit it was Bush, not Obama that created the TARP fund.
Sure you won't blame Obama for it. Like blaming Clinton for Bush's NAFTA.
But, why put the blame on your own people. Why not blame the other side?
Heya Heya!

Liberator

Poll shows 3 percent now think Obama born abroad

(CNN) - President Obama's decision to release his birth certificate appears to have satisfied all but a tiny fringe who continue to believe he was not born in America.

According to a recently released Washington Post poll, only 3 percent of Americans now believe the president was born abroad while 77 percent say he was definitely born in the United States. Nearly 20 percent have no opinion on that matter.

A similar Washington Post poll conducted a year ago found 14 percent of Americans believed the president was born in another country while 68 percent thought he was born in the United States.

Obama released his birth certificate last week, saying the controversy surrounding the issue had become a "sideshow."

The surprise release followed recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, raising doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.

The poll was conducted April 28-May 1 and surveyed 1,006 Americans by telephone. It carries a sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

That "tiny fringe" is well represented here.

jay

The economy stupid? All created by Bush 2.
Noticed how this article stated that Bush 1 lost an election by a bad economy. Then, because of Bush2. The Conservatives lost an election by another bad economy?
Those dirty conservatives!
What did the French call the Germans in ww2?
It would apply here, too!

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