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I Am Dee Bee

Not to defend Oliver Stone, but it also might have something to do with the fact that Mel Gibson was one of the biggest movie stars of the last 20 years (up until the '06 incident), whereas Oliver Stone is a barely relevant director who hasn't made a decent movie in years. I don't think there's anything devious going on here with Hollywood's/the media's treatment of this story.

But let's say Monica is right, and Hollywood is protecting Stone because many of its major players agree with his political leanings. Is that a double standard? Yes. But it also happens every day on both sides of the aisle! We're always more likely to defend someone we sympathize with than someone we don't much care for. So, I hope that when Monica warns "those who engage" in double standards, she's warning Progressives and Conservatives alike, because everyone does it. But I doubt she'd ever admit it.

gringoman

/////Americans are sick and tired of double standards wherever they may be: in politics, in Hollywood, in business, in the media./////

Is it possible for a living Republican to mention what is (arguably or inarguably) the Mother of All Double Standards in the US today: Liberal Racism? For obvious reasons, Democrats can't. They live off it. But Republicans?

Monica, pray tell.

soggy

I respectfully diagree. I have a different take on the issue than. I contend if a decent wage is offered, Americans WILL work in meat packing plants. The key component here is a decent wage.

In too many cases owners of meat packing plants are unscrupulous criminals. The owners take advantage of illegals and newly arrived immigrants --some under-aged -- desperate for money. The immigrants are willing to accept meager wages of say five dollars and hour. The criminal employers are only too happy to exploit this situation. So they pay them much less than a living wage. On the other hand, Americans refuse to physically bust their butts in unpleasant working conditions for a meager wage; I don't blame them one bit. Here is an example of which I'm sure you are familiar with: the Agriprocessors meat packing raid in Postville, Iowa.


http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?p=1707

Posted by: DJ | July 27, 2010 at 02:46 PM

I think I am inclined to agree with DJ on this one. If employers' supply of cheap labor were to dry up, the market would dictate the wages they would have to pay. If picking lettuce paid twelve bucks an hour instead of say five, at least they would compete with fast food employers for personel.

Truther

Well, Mrs. Stone doesn't have a secret tape. Whoever invented tape anyway?

About the new oil well spill :

The Coast Guard says a tow boat called Pere Ana C. hit a wellhead near Mud Lake early Tuesday. No injuries were reported.

The Coast Guard did not know who owns the small well or how much oil has leaked. But a sheen has been spotted in the lake. Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts says oil is spewing from the wellhead...

It is the job of the US Coastal and Geodetic Survey to provide shoreline maps that should have indicated the well as an obstruction. Furthermore it was someone's job to find out who owned the well. The tugboat captain should have had the map and avoided the obstacle. This is another example of a public government function that is usually performed well, that is no longer being done correctly and inexpensively as it usually was, and the result is chaotic.

Truther

Hillary knows there is a difference between delegates and super-delegates.

The public knows there is difference between incumbents and John Kerry. As John quickly slipped his $7million sloop into Rhode Is. to avoid taxes, we have to wonder about how he feels about offshoring of assets, at the same time he is plugging large programs with enormous taxes. If the public can pry him out of the woodwork, perhaps he will sail for other shores - like South Africa.

M/M

Warning: The Communists are trying to whitewash Stalin's rep by portraying him as an ally. At the National D-Day museum, people are protesting the a memorial bust that portrays him as an ally of Churchill and Roosevelt during WWII.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/15/AR2010071504174.html

The libs probably feel Stone is doing them a favor by the way they portray Stalin. As for blaming the Jews, Oliver Stone just echoes what the far Left thinks about Israel and some Jewish groups. You really should troll some LIEberal websites to see how the other side thinks.

gringoman

DJ/Soggy:

Okay, let's assume that today's post-war American is ready to do the grungiest work that only Pedro or Paco or Alberto seem ready to do, if only you will pay the American (1) twice what you pay the others (2) take care of his medical insurance (3) his pension (4) his vacation time (5) his overtime (6)handle his personal or union grievances (7)find the time to do all the extra piles of Government mandated forms, taxes etc etc.

Let's assume that a large number of post-Great Depression Americans, white or black, are ready to step in and really work their butts off rather than collect welfare checks, or the equivalent, Unemployment compensation, now extending to 99 weeks instead of the traditional 26 weeks, (and if Obama gets his way, will simply morph into the socialist goal of a guaranteed lifetime income).

I'm far from convinced that there are enough native born today, white or black, who will jump at taking these necessary jobs of really hard, disrespected work, whether in factories, hotels, taxis, toilets, kitchens, picking grapes, digging up potatoes, cleaning streets etc etc. But let's assume that there are.

How will Americans react to seeing their food bills and overall cost of living going up by 35-to 50% and in some cases even more? Will they just accept it, or will they resort to a booming underground economy?

M/M

How will Americans react to seeing their food bills and overall cost of living going up by 35-to 50% and in some cases even more? Will they just accept it, or will they resort to a booming underground economy?

Posted by: gringoman | July 27, 2010 at 10:27 PM
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Perhaps we can find another solution.

gringoman

Why can't the G.O.P. sound more like VICTOR DAVID HANSON and less like Republicans?///////

Mr. Obama’s campaign itself had always been characterized by one too many racial Macaca moments to suggest that the media image of a healer was quite right — from Rev. Wright, to typical white person, to the clingers of Pennsylvania, to Michelle’s various editorials on a downright mean country to never been before proud, etc. I realize to review this well-trodden ground is to earn a bullseye on the left-wing NY-DC list or its successor to come, but the truth is that the administration deliberately gambled that by playing identity politics they could galvanize the base vote (it worked when over 95% of African-Americans voted along racial lines) without offending centrist devotees. But they did not quite comprehend the ugly nature of the genie they had unleashed. And now we are reduced to suicidal calls from the left to appoint more administration officials solely on the basis of race, and to become even more overt in racial referencing.

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/from-rev-wright-to-the-sherrod-affair/?singlepage=true

Truther

It is sad to see Arizona invoking amnesty at this late hour, just prior to the new law taking effect. We have looked forward to this date, and now, they are considering just letting them leave, without impediment, penalty, or even biomeasure.

There have been suggestions the removal of a digital would be condign, or perhaps, some Cheney-like birdshot in the behind, but without a biomeasure and a law declaring an automatic felony for illegal reentrancy, .. now that would be truly foolish.


Truther

There are those who do not want these violators of our national space back into the country, under any circumstances. At the very least, they should be considered for a path to citizenship only after all other applicants.

Truther

Finally, pressure should be brought against Calderon, to up social standards within Mexico to an acceptable level - including food and medicine for the unemployed. Mexico needs to accept its responsibility toward its people - only this way ought we fathom their acceptability for inclusion in a free trade arrangement.

Mexico brags about having some of the richest families in Latin America. Is it not a disgrace for them to tell their citizens to in effect "take a hike".

DJ

“Okay, let's assume that today's post-war American is ready to do the grungiest work that only Pedro or Paco or Alberto seem ready to do, if only you will pay the American (1) twice what you pay the others.”

Gringoman,

Hmm……let’s start with what Victor Davis Hanson pointed out in his book Mexifornia. He explained when Pedro, Paco, and Alberto immigrate from Mexico they are very hard workers and are willing to work for wages unacceptable to American workers -- that includes ALL ethnicities of Americans. What happens though is when Pedro, Paco, and Alberto reach the age of 50 or so, their health starts to break down and prevents them from meeting the demands of hard labor. Arthritis, diabetes and other heath maladies set in. They then become wards of the welfare state. Hanson also points out Pedro, Paco, and Alberto’s kids see their parents bust butt for very little reward whilst at the same time see other Americans living in relative comfort collecting welfare benifits. So they choose the welfare route. In other words the offspring of the first generation Mexican laborers, as a general rule, DO NOT share the same work ethic as their parents. The reality is: Pedro, Paco, and Alberto’s kids are forming a new permanent underclass which all tax payers must support in the form of numerous government services. As a result we are destined to learn the hard way, AGAIN, that cheap labor in the long run isn't cheap at all. In fact it's very expensive. In fact it’s SO expensive it will eventually bankrupt the whole country....not to mention transform America’s culture and overall standard of living for the worse.

soggy

How did we afford food back when American labor was harvesting it? We have artificially deflated costs on commodities and imported goods, both produced by cheap labor. When I was a little younger, about 25 or 30 years ago, I helped in tobacco on farms and made anywhere from five to ten bucks an hour, depending on the job at hand. The farmers are now importing cheap labor for eight to twelve an hour. My friends and I really were making good money as teenagers and young adults, especially for seasonal work. Considering that the minimum wage back then was 3.35 and is now 7.25 in Ky., my simplistic reasoning suggests that todays workers here should be making ten to twenty bucks an hour. Here in Kentucky, that is an excellent wage for farm labor.

gringoman

As a result we are destined to learn the hard way, AGAIN, that cheap labor in the long run isn't cheap at all. In fact it's very expensive. In fact it’s SO expensive it will eventually bankrupt the whole country....not to mention transform America’s culture and overall standard of living for the worse.

Posted by: DJ | July 28, 2010 at 08:12 AM

It's basic physics that energy follows the path of least resistance. Children of Mexicans will discover that obtaining income in the US tends to meet less resistance in the US than in Mexico. That's obviously due to the far more bountiful semi-socialist welfare state in today's post-FDR USA, even without its billion-dollar opportunities for scamming and fraud. If Mexicans and others can get here what they can't get from their own rulers, why wouldn't they?

You can blame these people, and millions of others like them, for adapting to the new American system created by the power of the socialist overlords. Or you can put the primary blame on the latter, and the American people who have submitted to these taxing overlords. Jefferson understood that populus ignoramus cannot be free. Ben Franklin understood that holding onto the Republic he helped to found would be a dicey proposition. He knew something about human nature.

Ummahgummah

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My presence was required at the Bastille day Celebrations in France.

Thus I haven't been able to keep up with events sate-side.

What, if anything happened re. the four Glocks who were stolen at JFK?

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gringoman

How did we afford food back when American labor was harvesting it? We have artificially deflated costs on commodities and imported goods, both produced by cheap labor. When I was a little younger, about 25 or 30 years ago, I helped in tobacco on farms and made anywhere from five to ten bucks an hour, depending on the job at hand. The farmers are now importing cheap labor for eight to twelve an hour. My friends and I really were making good money as teenagers and young adults, especially for seasonal work. Considering that the minimum wage back then was 3.35 and is now 7.25 in Ky., my simplistic reasoning suggests that todays workers here should be making ten to twenty bucks an hour. Here in Kentucky, that is an excellent wage for farm labor.

Posted by: soggy | July 28, 2010 at 09:16 AM

I once picked string beans in New Jersey. I also "faisait le vendange" and picked grapes in southern France. But these were really just "romantic" excursions.

The point is that today's "Great Society" Americans are not eager to do these things, and the Farm Business won't, or can't, pay them what they'd demand anyway (even forgetting the pension and health care plans, which their unions will not forget.)

How many citizens do you know, white or black, who will stoop and crawl under a hot sun for 10 hours, when they can get a check from Big Nanny because they tried to "find work" but couldn't? How many blacks will who, like the thousands in the Shirley Sherrod Pigford case which is not being reported by the dominant Libstream, agreed to settle for $50,000 checks from the taxpayers because of their allegation that "racists" prevented them from farming, yada-yada? The Discrimination Industry tends to be more profitable than hard work.

gringoman

My presence was required at the Bastille day Celebrations in France.

Thus I haven't been able to keep up with events sate-side.

What, if anything happened re. the four Glocks who were stolen at JFK?

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Posted by: Ummahgummah | July 28, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Ummah,

Soyez le Bienvenue!

The JFK/Israeli/stolen Glock story has dropped off the radar. That suggests either (1) not much there or (2) it is far too hot and interesting for the mediacs

Ummahgummah

I think I am inclined to agree with DJ on this one. If employers' supply of cheap labor were to dry up, the market would dictate the wages they would have to pay. If picking lettuce paid twelve bucks an hour instead of say five, at least they would compete with fast food employers for perso(n)nel.

Posted by: soggy | July 27, 2010 at 05:18 PM

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So do I. At $12/hr you could work those jobs and save enough to start a small business in a year or two if you work hard and don't spend beyond the basics.

Thus anyone could work their way into at least the Middle Class without having being born into it.

PS. Merci Gringoman and thanx for the update.

Interesting that noone is following the Glock story. Maybe I should become an independent "journalist".

hahaha.

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DJ

Gringoman,

I lay most of the blame on the socialist overlords for INVITING the hoards of Mexican peasants into our country. Of course some of the blame can be laid at the feet of the propagandized electorate who voted in these open-borders traitors.

Is 'propagandized electorate' an inaccurate or too strong a term? If so how else can you explain why people like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, GW Bush et al keep getting reelected over and over again?

BTW, what is going to happen when the country goes bankrupt and ceases sending out government checks? In my estimation that date isn't too far off in the future.

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"My presence was required at the Bastille day Celebrations in France." ( --Ummah Gummah)

Okay, break time is over. Time to get back to work! :-)

gringoman

BTW, what is going to happen when the country goes bankrupt and ceases sending out government checks? In my estimation that date isn't too far off in the future.

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Posted by: DJ | July 28, 2010 at 12:04 PM

What will happen when "the center no longer holds"? Answer: Then the real fun begins.

In Rome gangs that called themselves "The Dregs of Rome"
rampaged, supporting faction vs. faction. In medieval Europe the Christian paladins of Charlemagne held off the invading Saracens of Islam. Much later in Paris the ragged rabble stormed Ummah's Bastille, and later cheered the guillotine. In Russia the little lefties executed the entire ruling family. In Deutschland Adolf Schickelgruber Hitler won an election. In Rhodesia they kicked out the whites, re-named themselves Zimbabwe, and then the real national nightmare began, defended everywhere by black apologists who don't have to live in it.

They say the USA is an exception.

So we'll see what the coming "exception" looks like.

Ummahgummah

Okay, break time is over. Time to get back to work! :-)

Posted by: DJ | July 28, 2010 at 12:04 PM

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Got a bit of a stomach now to work off too.. ;-P

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rick

Regarding Oliver Stone i think he should start dyeing his hair, don't you? Regarding his bed-mate, Hugo Chavez, does anyone else think Mr. Chavez's face looks like one of those Halloween masks that crop up from time to time a-la Nixon and so on. I mean the man has a puss on him only his mother could love (i think).

DJ

The Year America Dissolved
By Paul Craig Roberts

It was 2017. Clans were governing America.

The first clans organized around local police forces. The conservatives' war on crime during the late 20th century and the Bush/Obama war on terror during the first decade of the 21st century had resulted in the police becoming militarized and unaccountable.

As society broke down, the police became warlords. The state police broke apart, and the officers were subsumed into the local forces of their communities. The newly formed tribes expanded to encompass the relatives and friends of the police.

The dollar had collapsed as world reserve currency in 2012 when the worsening economic depression made it clear to Washington's creditors that the federal budget deficit was too large to be financed except by the printing of money.

With the dollar's demise, import prices skyrocketed. As Americans were unable to afford foreign-made goods, the transnational corporations that were producing offshore for US markets were bankrupted, further eroding the government's revenue base.

The government was forced to print money in order to pay its bills, causing domestic prices to rise rapidly. Faced with hyperinflation, Washington took recourse in terminating Social Security and Medicare and followed up by confiscating the remnants of private pensions. This provided a one-year respite, but with no more resources to confiscate, money creation and hyperinflation resumed.

Organized food deliveries broke down when the government fought hyperinflation with fixed prices and the mandate that all purchases and sales had to be in US paper currency. Unwilling to trade appreciating goods for depreciating paper, goods disappeared from stores.

Washington responded as Lenin had done during the "war communism" period of Soviet history. The government sent troops to confiscate goods for distribution in kind to the population. This was a temporary stop-gap until existing stocks were depleted, as future production was discouraged. Much of the confiscated stocks became the property of the troops who seized the goods.

Read more >>

http://vdare.com/roberts/100726_dissolved.htm

Ummah Gummah

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Not even his mother loves him. That's painfully evident in his actions.

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Ummah Gummah

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I just posted this at Moonbattery, but this also fits here, since the turd world is already invadiung us, invited by the deluded fools on the left:

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There is so much moonbattery out there in liblandia that it's hard to keep up with it all.

Here's a particularly egregious example coming from the U.seless N.azi.ones:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/07/28-4

Clean water is a univeral human right.

LOL

Just as we have a universal human right to petrolium!

The way I see it is that the Left and the turd world are trying to legitimate themselves to our water resources, which in the future will become increasin gly valuable and important.

personally I am glad to see the SOWdi oil supply having passed its peak and I can't wait to see the forming of an OPEC for water producing nations, which USA, CAN, EUR and RUS will be founding partners of since we have all the water.

And then the SOWdis and other oil sheiks can go FüCK themselves and DRINK SAND.

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mjfell

Where's The Resolve?

America faces attacks upon our economic well being, our historic values, our principles and traditions, the very moral fabric of our society and the supreme law of our land, the United States Constitution. The enemy attacks us from within our education system, in movies, on television, in newspapers, magazines and from within our own local, state and federal government.

Where are the defenders of our way of life? Where are the defenders of our culture? Where are the defenders of our laws? Where are the defenders of our Republic?

They’re certainly not to be found within the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, where the nomination of two radical leftist activist Supreme Court Justice nominees were allowed by Republican Senator Lindsay Graham, who justified his votes by saying “Elections have consequences”. Certainly not within our Federal Court system, where Arizona’s legally passed defense of land and law was overruled by Bill Clinton appointed U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton. Certainly not among “Conservative” television pundits, who continue to allow flat out lies spoken by radical leftist pundits to go unchallenged.

Where’s the resolve?

Is it only to be found within the American people? Is defense of our nation, our values, our principles, of our very way of life left up to We The People? If so, so be it. If it’s up to Patriotic Americans to preserve, protect and defend our nation, our culture, our land of laws, our values, our traditions, our moral fiber and our Constitution, they couldn’t be in better hands.

We fought and won our independence from tyrannical monarchal government in the Revolutionary War. We fought and won against racist attempt to divide our nation in the Civil War. We fought and won the struggle against the tyrannical forces of Fascism in World War II. We fought and won the Cold War against the tyrannical Communist forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Now we’re engaged in a war of ideas here on our own soil. To win, we won’t need to fire a single shot. Together, there’re more of us than there are of them.

Stand firm in your resolve. Don’t back down. Make sure that this November, you and your American brethren flock to the polls and vote the radical leftist extremists who seek to destroy our country out of office.

This is not just any election. This November’s election is the battleground for America’s very survival. I’m responsible for the outcome. You’re responsible for the outcome. We The People are responsible for the outcome. The honor of those passed who fought for America, the future for you, your children and your grandchildren depends on the outcome of this November’s election.

Whether or not we wanted it, now’s the time for us to be the next Greatest Generation. We’re up to it. It’s in our DNA. Let’s show the world “what we’re made of”.

http://mjfellright.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/wheres-the-resolve/

gringoman

Washington responded as Lenin had done during the "war communism" period of Soviet history. The government sent troops to confiscate goods for distribution in kind to the population. This was a temporary stop-gap until existing stocks were depleted, as future production was discouraged. Much of the confiscated stocks became the property of the troops who seized the goods.

Read more >>

http://vdare.com/roberts/100726_dissolved.htm

Posted by: DJ | July 28, 2010 at 04:38 PM

Craig Roberts is an example of a RINO who worked for Ronald Reagan and later graduated to "refined Marxism," i.e. writing for progressive journals and denouncing US "imperialism." The subject of military waste, stupidity and corruption is vast enough (as anyone who has visited http://www.militarycorruption.com can see) that it enables Roberts, as a good "progressive," to virtually ignore the only reality than can equal, and very likely surpass the Military Business in waste, stupidity and corruption i.e. the vast, and now all-engulfing Neocom Welfare State.

A look at Mr Roberts little fantasy about 2017 clearly shows his eagerness to ignore how the non-military sector of the progressives drove a great country into anarchy and bankruptcy. He barely seems to recognize that he's virtually quoting Stalinist demagogue cliches about the "capitalists" exploiting the "workers." And like every good progressive he mentions corporations fleeing the US, without a word on the part played in this flight by the Big Government's world record-breaking taxes, mandates, regulations, set-asides for idiots, quotas based on color and not competence, and thug-ridden unions which helped even the world's greatest car manufacturer to bankrupt itself via its inept and cowardly management.

For a "refined anti-Imperialist," Mr. Roberts can get surprisingly sophomoric. Like other "progressives," he's earned a berth on one of the Ruling Class yachts, the kind he never mentions in his screed about the "small people" and their "clans."

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Truther

A government like Mexico should provide basic services to massed populations of a certain size, or face censure and sanctions. It is not, however, a human right.

---> Aliens are free to roam Arizona and give the police the finger. This does not seem right. There was a move to stop the governor's emergency powers, in order to prevent an action by governor Brewer by this means. Actually, though, she could declare a state of emergency based on foreigners having taken civil control away from the state in those regions where this is a problem. She could then use emergency government to oust illegal aliens in those areas, including making the determination that illegal aliens were controlling areas of the state.

Truther

Dick Morris also brought up the possibility of demonstrating that the presence of illegal aliens have significantly increased the crime rate, then without prejudice, Arizona could check immigration papers in neighborhoods where illegals are known to live and deport individuals to reduce civil disorder.

Truther

A confederation of states that want to control the border, could raise a militia to provide emergency border control services where needed - in those areas where aliens are currently moving. This is combination with observers, could significantly curtail border incursions.

There is a general feeling among some, that the government (including Gov Brewer) wants to psych the Mexicans out, and not actually have to enforce immigration law. Yeah, right. That will work.
I believe it really requires enforcement. The aliens are also psyching out the government.

M/M

Hola amigos! Que pasa?

DJ

"Craig Roberts is an example of a RINO who worked for Ronald Reagan and later graduated to "refined Marxism," i.e. writing for progressive journals and denouncing US "imperialism."

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Gringoman,

Thanks for clueing me in on the Marxist leanings of Paul Craig Roberts. I had no idea! But you aren't the only man of distinction I've ran across on the Net who views PCR in a negative light. Lawrence Auster does also; however, his loathing of PCR is due to other reasons.

FK

Could it be that Mel Gibson's comments get more press because Gibson has for decades been a bigger star than Oliver Stone?

On a sidenote, looks to be like Stone is getting "stoned" by the press for his recent comments. Maybe it's just not enough to please everyone's bloodlust.

jay

" So, I hope that when Monica warns "those who engage" in double standards, she's warning Progressives and Conservatives alike, because everyone does it. But I doubt she'd ever admit it."
Agree!

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