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Ugh, Monica. How did you sit through it? I felt sick, even with the TV on mute.

Niall

What I want to know is, What the hell entitles Teddy Kennedy to be buried at Arlington National Cemetary? The rules for such eligibility are spelled out in detail on Arlington's site:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.interment.html

There are thirteen categories of people eligible for burial there. Teddy does not fit any of them. Primarily it is and always has been a cemetary for certain qualified members of the armed forces, though U.S. presidents may also be buried there and also widows/widowers and minor children of service people who are buried there.

JFK was of course eligible both as a decorated WWII veteran and president. RFK's burial there is rather questionable -- he did serve very briefly in the Navy at the end of the war, but whether his service then really qualified him is doubtful, to say the least. (Service has to be "other than for training" -- and Bobby's only actual service was as an apprentice seaman on the destroyer Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.'s shakedown cruise. He was released from officer candidate training at Harvard specifically for that cruise, and received his honorable discharge from the Navy shortly afterward.)

But at least Bobby did serve for a very short time in the Navy. Teddy had no service whatever. Yet today he is to be buried "next to his brothers" at Arlington -- ironic, isn't it, for a final time the rules are changed for Teddy Kennedy, just as they were after Chappaquiddick.

Phil Wedeen

But at least Bobby did serve for a very short time in the Navy. Teddy had no service whatever. Yet today he is to be buried "next to his brothers" at Arlington -- ironic, isn't it, for a final time the rules are changed for Teddy Kennedy, just as they were after Chappaquiddick.
-NIALL

What is "ironic" Niall is how easy it is to check facts these days...
but 'facts' are like garlic to ideologues.
Ted Kennedy served in the ARMY, 1951-1953.

Phil Wedeen

What I want to know is, What the hell entitles Teddy Kennedy to be buried at Arlington National Cemetary? The rules for such eligibility are spelled out in detail on Arlington's site:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.interment.html ___NIALL

See G-1. I think that fits. He served in the army and held a federal elected office for 46 yrs.

See M. as well, JFK, RFK are buried there.

Phil Wedeen

Niall shoild formaly retract as right-wing ideologues have a prediliction for jumping on those who dishonor ones military service.
Niall dishonered Ted Kennedy's by stating that Mr Kennedy did not serve in the armed forces when in fact he did and bystating that Mr Kennedy does not qualify to be interred alongside his brothers, which he does.
Shame on you, Niall.

SteveOk

(Monica)It looked like a gathering of the five organized crime families.
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To be honest I haven't watched much of the coverage the past couple of days. I never had any respect for Ted Kennedy and I didn't agree with much of his agenda. He was the king of the big government welfare state and the the job of Congress was to bankrupt the country in passing one entitlement program after another. He believed in and worshiped government and thought they could solve all our problems. The truth is the government can't even run "cash for clunkers" but people like Ted Kennedy are too blind to see the truth. Ted was a clunker himself and the number one poster boy for term limits. I feel sorry for his family and wife but I thank Jesus I won't have to hear him ranting about another new entitlement as a "right".

Niall

>>>Niall shoild formaly retract as right-wing ideologues have a prediliction for jumping on those who dishonor ones military service.>>Niall dishonered Ted Kennedy's by stating that Mr Kennedy did not serve in the armed forces when in fact he did . . . >>Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 29, 2009 at 02:04 PM <<<

He did indeed, though his service amounted to so little it's not surprising I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. From Wikipedia on Ted Kennedy:

"Kennedy enlisted in the United States Army in June 1951.[9] Following basic training at Fort Dix, he requested assignment to Fort Holabird for Army Intelligence training, but was dropped after a few weeks without explanation.[9] He went to Camp Gordon for training in the Military Police Corps.[9] In June 1952, he was assigned to the honor guard at SHAPE headquarters in Paris.[2][9] His father's political connections ensured he was not deployed to the ongoing Korean War.[2][10] While stationed in Europe he travelled extensively on weekends and climbed the Matterhorn.[11] He was discharged in March 1953 as a private first class.[9][11]"

So yes, he serve, apparently with no distinction of any kind, washed out of Army Intelligence (evidently no one there to cheat for him as he had had at Harvard), got cushy jobs (an honor guard is pretty much decorative only in function), essentially a European vacation, and his father's political connections kept him safely out of combat. Note that he did not even serve the full two years a draftee was required to, let alone the three years that an enlistee (RA) was supposed to do at that time. (I was also in the Army 1951-53.) So even his military service, like brother Bobby's, was much eased by family political influence.

But yes, he did serve -- in his fashion. Mea culpa.


M/M

Orrin Hatch was funny. He mentioned how Kennedy agreed to speak in Boston with Hatch in front of 200 Mormon missionairies after Hatch asked Kennedy during a night out with Chris Dodd. The next morning Kennedy asked Hatch what else he agreed to.

gringoman

What is "ironic" Niall is how easy it is to check facts these days...
but 'facts' are like garlic to ideologues.
Ted Kennedy served in the ARMY, 1951-1953.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 29, 2009 at 01:53 PM

PW Cyberstalker, soi-disant "anti-racist," paints Jared Taylor, his intellectual and academic superior, as a "racist." At the same time, the soi-disant, while working the guilt-by-association steering wheel on Taylor, is curiously mute about the racists who have swarmed around Barack Obama his entire adult life, from his father figure/spiritual advisor Pastor Wright to NOI Minister Farrakhan on down, and down, and down.

Why must a Liberal Racist be so discriminating with facts? Can't the leftniki give us a more "educated" form of agit-propoganda?

DJ


"The Bama, The Biden, The Clintons, Jimmy "My Name is Earl" Carter, Al Gore, Jesse Jackson, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Henry Waxman, Ed Markey, and Deval Patrick."

It looked like a gathering of the five organized crime families."


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Or a collection of the most notorious criminals selected from the Thug Report.

http://www.thugreport.com/

BTW- What is contained in the Thug Report is the result of 45+ years of liberal policies/laws forced on us by "anti-racism" lawyers and libtard politicians.

Note: "anti-racism" is code for anti-white.

Phil Wedeen

Coming Soon:

Act I scene ii

AMERICAN BUNRAKU THEATRE

En Attendant Gring-Go (Waiting For Gring-Go)

gringoman

PW wrote: "So DJ [...] does recognize that despite universally afflicted human frailties, MLK had strong redemptive affiliations."

So, PW, its communists and white puttanas that YOU consider "redemptive affiliations"? LOL

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J Edgar Hoover taped St. Martin in the throes of sex with a white woman, yelling "I'm not a Negro tonight!


"On Jan. 6, 1964, FBI men installed microphones in King's Washington, D.C., hotel room and turned on the tape recorder. According to officials who heard the tapes, King that night betrayed his wife, Coretta--not for the first or the last time--shouting, amid his most private activities, "I'm f**king for God!" and "I'm not a Negro tonight!" Later that year, agents anonymously shipped King "a 'highlight' recording of bugged sex groans and party jokes" along with a letter warning him: "You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy, abnormal fraudulent self is bared to the nation." They called it the "suicide package."

Posted by: DJ | August 29, 2009 at 02:56 PM

Wonder if Obama's progressive mother knew about the FBI "persecution" of MLK. That kind of thing can have a strong effect on a teenager who sees herself as "a rebel against the Yankee imperialists." (For an example of that kind of mentality, look at PW Cyberstalker.) A potential babymama would find ways to express her rebellion. Barry could have been her revenge against her white parents, i.e. "the capitalists".

In fact, it's so obvious, a shrink shouldn't even charge for the "revelation."

Posted by: gringoman | August 29, 2009 at 05:40 PM

Point of clarification: When comparing the mind of PW Cyberstalker to that of Obama's babymama, I didn't mean to imply that Wedeen would have slept with Barack Obama, Sr in order to rebel against "the system," i.e. his parents. We just don't know. Would he even say? Since, unlike the authentic babymama, he could not conceive a little Barry(presumably) would he and the Kenyan communist choose to adopt?

As we can see with the ACLU, PWC isn't likely to confirm or deny.

Phil Wedeen

Note: "anti-racism" is code for anti-white.

Posted by: DJ | August 29, 2009 at 04:56 PM

Let's explore DJ's logic for a moment here as it appears as a window into his vanilla soul.

DJ is light years removed from his "C" in Algebra I back when he thought that an academic track was indeed possible. Ah, the indefatigable optimism of youth...

So on both sides of the equation drop the common element and look a the remaining statement. Drop 'anti' and see what ticks beneath that deer in the headlights look.

Note: 'racism' is code for 'white'

Not exactly a theorem, but close enough for capitalist work.

Phil Wedeen

Gringoman, I am shocked...shocked that you have failed to stand up to the disrespect shown to a deceased Vet by fellow flamboyant, Niall.
While the family mourns, a nation grieves, and the world holds its collective breath, this disrespecting the service of Mr Kennedy by first asserting that Mr Kennedy did not serve in uniform or qualify for Arlington interment is a travesty!

And you, Gringoman, Editorial Chief of www.MilitaryCorruption.com have failed a Vet; and you've done so on scurrilous ideological grounds.
A disgrace to those who served by one who hung out with the man in uniform in Vietnam.

That you will not call on Niall to retract shows the hypocrisy which places petty ideological difference ahead of national service.
Demand a retraction and publish the honorable proceedings of Mr Kennedy's burial in your website, or face the charge of hypocrisy so often levied against you here; and also at that celestial VFW Hall when that dreaded but inevitable date arrives whereby all must someday shed their mortal coil.
Publish and perish in peace, or ignore and face the heavenly approbation of all who have served from the time of Caesar up to the latest departed brethren of battle.
Your honest answer is advised.

Checkers

"A gathering of the five organized crime families"

AMEN!

DJ

Note: "anti-racism" is code for anti-white.

Posted by: DJ | August 29, 2009 at 04:56 PM

Let's explore DJ's logic for a moment here as it appears as a window into his vanilla soul.

[...]

So on both sides of the equation drop the common element and look a the remaining statement. Drop 'anti' and see what ticks beneath that deer in the headlights look.

Note: 'racism' is code for 'white'

Not exactly a theorem, but close enough for capitalist work.

Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 29, 2009 at 06:16 PM
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PW is living proof the Three Stooges produced at least one child.

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Jim Kalb on “Anti-Racism”

January 28, 2009

From Jim Kalb’s article Anti-racism:

“Racism is the worst of sins, the gravest of public dangers, the most repellent of spiritual disorders. Any taint of racism soils and discredits in all respects.”

Some such view is fundamental to public life today. The emphatic opposition to racism that is now obligatory gives the “race card” extraordinary potency.[1] If you are not part of the solution then simply by living your life from day to day you are participating in “institutional racism.”

The nature of anti-racism is rarely discussed analytically, so it appears to be less a matter of doctrine than feeling and general orientation. Nonetheless, as a view that dominates public policy it has definite content. As such, it holds that there is a definite thing called “racism,” backed by power and constituted by contempt and hatred for those who differ, but for which race relations would be harmonious if indeed differences were noted at all.

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Unparalleled evil though it is thought to be, racism is seen everywhere, whether there is evidence for it or not.[8] As long as some groups are collectively unequal to others, the world is racist, and the harder it is to find an explanation that can be publicly accepted, the more fundamental and pervasive racism must be. Accusations of racism always stick, at least a little, and no matter how reckless or even cynical never hurt the accuser. Even false accusations can be valuable, because they draw attention to important issues.[9]

In current practice, anti-racism is aimed at whites. In their case, racism includes not only hatred and abuse, but any distrust of others, any special concern or preference for whites, any recognition of whites as a people. Anti-racism also imposes on whites an obligation to sacrifice their interests to those of nonwhites. If a white does something at odds with black interests or desires, for example if he fails sufficiently to favor “affirmative action,” he is racist or at best insensitive.[10] In contrast, public statements by blacks can be revoltingly bigoted without consequence.[11]

Permitting to some what is forbidden others seems to relativize racism and thus deny that it is ultimate pathological evil. It also suggests that anti-racism draws support from anti-white bigotry. The suggestion is correct.

While many think “anti-white bigotry” a paradox, elite contempt for nonelite whites is simply the contempt of an ascendant group for a group it has superseded and intends to keep subordinate. Most members of our ruling elites are white, but they identify themselves by ideology and class rather than race, and their rejection of racial identification is fundamental to their claim to power. By attacking whites as a group they identify themselves with the principle of rule now ascendant. Whites are thus not immune to racial targeting. In the case of immigration and affirmative action governing elites routinely override lopsided popular majorities that would protect whites from adverse treatment as whites.[12]

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Assuming there are tours of Arlington cemetery, keeping the brothers together may add a little panache to tours, in future decades, when the name Kennedy may not be known by all tour patrons. Something for future generations, besides paying back government debt.

Niall

>>>Gringoman, I am shocked...shocked that you have failed to stand up to the disrespect shown to a deceased Vet by fellow flamboyant, Niall.
While the family mourns, a nation grieves,>>and the world holds its collective breath,>>That you will not call on Niall to retract shows . . . >>Posted by: Phil Wedeen | August 29, 2009 at 06:42 PM<<<

Shows nothing, since I have already retracted. I regret that I wasn't aware of Teddy's shortened period of Army service (as an "honor guard," a term which seems singularly ill-suited to Teddy Kennedy), that appears to have been mostly a European vacation for him arranged by his politically powerful father to keep him away from Korea, where boys with less influential fathers were being killed daily. I have admitted my mistake and so so again now, in hopes that you are paying attention this time.


Niall

Maybe my use of angle brackets is screwing up this editor. My post above is not complete as I wrote it.

Phil Wedeen wrote:
>>>While the family mourns, a nation grieves, and the world holds its collective breath, this disrespecting the service of Mr Kennedy by first asserting that Mr Kennedy did not serve in uniform or qualify for Arlington interment is a travesty!<<<

First, families always mourn. The NATION is not grieving because one coke-sniffing, womanizing drunken sot has finally shuffled off the mortal coil. And for what, Phil, do you imagine "the world [is holding] its collective breath"? Do you imagine the world is expecting Teddy to rise on the third day or something?

As for Teddy's Army service, I have already said that I was mistaken about that, but again, his service amounted to little more than a European vacation in the safest and least demanding type of unit. An honor guard's function is mostly decorative. And while Teddy reportedly enlisted, an enlistment (as opposed to being drafted) in those days meant committing oneself to three years' active duty, but Teddy somehow managed to get an honorable discharge in about 15 months -- in other words, as soon as the Korean War was effectively over and his father would not have to fear Teddy's ever being sent into combat. His important and courageous work as an honor guard was no longer needed then.

No, I do not respect Teddy's "service" any more than I respect anything else about him. I was in the Army over those years myself, and I served with men I respected and other men I did not. I will always respect the uniform, but it does not magically convert skunks into noble men. This is perhaps beyond your ability to understand, Phil.

Niall

I wrote:

>> And while Teddy reportedly enlisted, an enlistment (as opposed to being drafted) in those days meant committing oneself to three years' active duty, but Teddy somehow managed to get an honorable discharge in about 15 months -- in other words, as soon as the Korean War was effectively over and his father would not have to fear Teddy's ever being sent into combat. <<

Correction: about 21 months. Still well short of the three years of a normal enlistment.

xbjllb

"This would be the Bama's 7,567,398th diss of Hillary."

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Princess, as you are intimately aware, SHE who disses last disses best.

And there is no easier target to diss than a spoiled clueless bureaucrat figurehead.

xbjllb

Obama and Race

It's not just that Obama, while never having been the descendant of Africa-Americas slavery, is the greatest recipient of affirmative action who ever existed that makes him so offensive; it's the overwhelming arrogant sense of entitlement that comes from his self-aware CIA ordination long before he ever entered the race for President that makes him so abhorrently repulsive in every way imaginable. Especially for progressives. The ultimate betrayer, Judas Goat, and Trojan Horse wrapped up into one. Cons who are the whores of Big Offense should be in the streets, celebrating him. They got their Bush third term, minus the ridiculous repulsive drunk swagger, but everything else intact.

Bill Clinton had the same effect on cons because of his overwhelming and undeniable talent to connect with people on a gut emotional level. Obama, who has no such talent beyond the political equivalent of Colonel Tom Parker and Michael Jackson smoke and mirrors, is merely a creation out of the PR and MSM branch of the CIA.

The only question is, who makes up the committee at the CIA that is really running the US and the military as Commander-in-Chief? During the Dubyah debacle everyone at least knew Cheney was President.

Who the hell IS the President today? And why is nothing changing? At least we know the CIA has deigned to hand economic control over to the Federal Reserve, a foreign bank interest, and the same Wall Street cretins who decimated the economy in the first place with their creative investment instruments, and so far, has done nothing but reward their cronies and decimate US businesses even further.

No WONDER the powers that be were terrified of a real President, whether it have been Hillary OR McCain.

No, instead we get this CIA dick, who, thanks to Larry Sinclair, we know every rotten detail about his dick we never wanted to. The real kick in the head? The fawning public sheep who put him in the White House were the ones who WANTED TO KNOW. FIRST HAND.

FROM DAY ONE.

Sick. Sometimes you honestly just have to admit, that the United States of America deserves exactly what it gets.

Truther

Teddy's life is emblematic of everything wrong in Washington - he claimed to support all Americans, while he really supported Big Boston Business. He also made lots of money on investments in areas where he might be considered an insider with a conflict of interest. He even died before medical care reform - probably because he already had enough.

Truther

Ted's life spans the banking cycle - beginning when his father was told to sell out of the stock market by those who intended to move money to Germany. Later they used Kennedy to create the Fed. So Ted and the Fed are coterminous. It is therefore fate, to place a new curency into circulation,and phase out the federal reserve notes.

Niall

> January 28, 2009
> From Jim Kalb’s article Anti-racism:
> . . .
> Posted by: DJ | August 29, 2009 at 07:08 PM

Excellent article, DJ. Or rather, excerpts from an excellent essay.

Jim Kalb's 2006 essay on "anti-racism" is well worth reading in its entirety, and can be found here:

http://turnabout.ath.cx:8000/node/1447


FK

I didn't watch the coverage, but if what Monica is saying is true, I give Obama credit for being able to pat Bush on the shoulder and talking to him. I find Bush so loathesome, that even looking at him would make me want to vomit.

beachbum

Obama has done a masterful job of making it look like he supports all efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, while not paying attention to or doing anything to "make it work" ( more troops, more media talks about same, etc). Limbaugh has said last year(s), that no Dem would allow a defeat in these countries and have to take responsibility for it. Here, he can STILL BLAME the previous administration for ALL of this insanity, let them both fall, (do to his lack of commitment and attention) and leave the mess without any stain on his fingers or the Dem.party.

Truther

Bill Clinton suggesting Ted's widow for his seat, is a little like Bush I nominating Henry Paulsen as Republican presidential candidate.

Phil Wedeen

But yes, he did serve -- in his fashion. Mea culpa.

Posted by: Niall | August 29, 2009 at 03:45 PM

Sufficently though to be interred at Arlington under rule G-1 and Rule M.

Ree

Marty Davis -Chickaboomer posted some photos of the event.

http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/08/caption-this_30.html

Ree

Hillary in the back ground how long is she going to last?

http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/08/politics-of-clothes.html

esperanza4

The man is dead, I wish his family, friends, & spirit well. He was a rabid liberal to the very end, whether it was popular or not at the time. I give him that. I wish we had some conservatives who did that, stood by their right wing views - no matter how the winds blow.

It really did seem the media was missing their good
personal friend,their view of what liberalism should be, not what most of America sees: a long time Senator with a famous name, and famous infamous past....that prevented him from ever becoming president. Killed a woman, that's not an 'accident', not a 'dark chapter'.....if I hear 'curse' and Mary Jo's name together again, she's dead. He caused it.
That's not a curse, that's a felony.


However, what was with the 4 day long, Lincoln-esque,
JFK-esque personally arranged funeral? He was a Senator, not President, not VP, not Pope. A Senator,
1 of 100.


Yes, as usual, Bush was polite and respectful in such
an event. He always is, as is his father. But, Bama'
had to do it, he managed to come across & look very
jr. high-ish, yes, petty and condescending. To Hillary, to the Kennedy's, and to Bush. His hug,
while still reaching the casket,to Mrs. EMK, while
with his eyes, making sure he was views one way for
the media...was weird.

Mark Steyn hit it perfectly of course in his piece on this. Amazingly right on the mark.


I wish the man well, I hope his spirit and soul are
at peace, and with The Lord. But, enough already with
'lionizing' this man.....that's not deserved.

xbjllb

"I give Obama credit for being able to pat Bush on the shoulder and talking to him. I find Bush so loathesome, that even looking at him would make me want to vomit."

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Obama is able to pat Bush on the shoulder and talk to him because THEY'RE THE SAME WARMONGERING LYING PIECES OF FECES.

Obama should make you hurl more, since he portrayed himself as something entirely different. Bush? Everyone but his base always knew he was a coke-addled tobbaccy chewin a-hole.

Obama gets more lying a-hole points for fooling more people most of the time.

Ummahgummah

Bill Clinton suggesting Ted's widow for his seat, is a little like Bush I nominating Henry Paulsen as Republican presidential candidate.
POSTED BY: TRUTHER | AUGUST 30, 2009 AT 07:57 PM

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More like getting his wife Hitlery to run for President.

PS. I always thought the Xcrem*nt was a bit loopy but its recent posts have really filled the can! Someone call a PLUMBER, please!

Obama the CIA agent.. ROFLMAO!!!!!

.

xbjllb

"Obama the CIA agent.. ROFLMAO!!!!!"

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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black... or did Mossad retire you after you'd been outed, Dearest?

xbjllb

Some reading material for you... only one of several thousands of articles. I do know it is the worst possible news for your homeys in Zionhell, because it means they've lost control of the US military as well, but there it is.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/08/names-obama-barack-obama.html

Probably the ONLY reason why you suicidal morons haven't nuked Iran yet, reason being quite out of the question as usual...

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