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thorn66

Crowley: "What Bush was actually doing, of course, was removing elements of true chaos, ie. murderous and terrorist tyrannies and seeking to replace them with less hostile and more decent and representative forms of government"

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Is this supposed to be serious? There wasn't ONE suicide bomber in Iraq before we invaded. Now Iraq has become a training ground for countless suicide bombers and terrorists. Their methods have been exported to Afghanistan and Pakistan. The cost to date: Over a trillion "borrowed" dollars, over 5,000 young Americans dead, countless others wounded both physically and mentally. Outcomes/benefits so far: Vague at best. Continuing suicide bombings and threat of civil war in Iraq; creating more instability. We should have left Saddam in place or, better yet, supported efforts to replace him with a less syphilitic Baathist strong-arm.

Niall

> All of these dictators, would-be dictators, and
> terrorists are carrying out their power grabs,
> overthrows, missile tests, and military operations
> for one reason:
>
> because they know the United States won't do a
> damned thing. Led by a wimp who makes Jimmy "My Name
> is Earl" Carter look like Ronald Reagan, America is
> not about to confront them in any meaningful way.

Well, nothing and no one could make Jimmy Carter (on the best day of his life) look like Ronald Reagan in any respect, but apart from that slight exaggeration of course you're exactly right.

Chavez is threatening war against Honduras because he's confident that Obama is and will continue to be sympathetic to any leftist/communist dictator. The Ramirez cartoon "Birds of a feather" of a couple days ago showing Castro, Chavez, Ortega and Obama as parrots side by side on a limb, all squawking "Restore the dictator in Honduras!" illustrates it perfectly.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Cartoons.aspx

Obama is our first anti-capitalist president. Never mind the other "first" stuff which is irrelevant: this is the first that's going to lead us into the pits.

thorn66

"The closest thing to Nazis are the Zionists/Israelis."

Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 09:13 AM
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According to Niall, our resident Holocaust-denier.

xbjllb

"The closest thing to Nazis are the Zionists/Israelis."

Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 09:13 AM
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According to Niall, our resident Holocaust-denier.

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No, according to 95% of the planet, a full 92% of which AREN'T "holocaust-deniers", which Niall isn't either. It's just another nasty name, like "anti-Semite", that Zionists throw on people in a failed attempt to negate their arguments.

Only plays to the Zionist congregation. No one else.

Next time try a real argument. If you can even manage to come up with one.

Niall

> According to Niall, our resident Holocaust-denier.
>
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 01:23 PM

What would Zionist Nazism have to do with "Holocaust denial" even if I really were a so-called Holocaust denier?

Unless of course you're prepared to admit that Zionism, Israel-first dual loyalty and Holocaust promotion are all just different aspects of the same scheme?

thorn66

According to Niall, our resident Holocaust-denier.
>
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 01:23 PM

What would Zionist Nazism have to do with "Holocaust denial" even if I really were a so-called Holocaust denier?
Unless of course you're prepared to admit that Zionism, Israel-first dual loyalty and Holocaust promotion are all just different aspects of the same scheme?
Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 02:19 PM

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Yes, I think your Holocaust-denial, linking Zionism to Nazism and dual-loyalty, and your anti-semitism are all part of your same scheme. But please don't take my word for it Niall...why not share your beliefs with your so-called "many" close Jewish friends and colleagues and see what they think.

Btw, interesting that X-nut, who believes 9-11 was an inside-job and Bush/Zionist conspiracy, is your most vocal supporter.

Niall

> Yes, I think your Holocaust-denial, linking Zionism
> to Nazism and dual-loyalty, and your anti-semitism
> are all part of your same scheme. But please don't
> take my word for it Niall...why not share your
> beliefs with your so-called "many" close Jewish
> friends and colleagues and see what they think.
>
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 02:46 PM

Better yet, why don't you post some remark of mine that you think shows my "anti-semitism" -- as I've previously asked you to do more than once, a request that you've ducked and run from every time.

I am assuredly, certainly, absolutely, positively, definitely, incontrovertibly and unabashedly 100% anti-Zionist. Your attempts to make "anti-semitism" out of this are the most common gambit of Israel-first types who don't hesitate to stoop to sleazy attacks in their defense of the foreign nation to which they clearly feel their only real loyalty (as opposed to the U.S., usually the country of their birth and actual citizenship).

If you sincerely believe that anti-Zionism is just another word for "anti-Semitism," you might want to take a look at some of the passionately anti-Zionist rabbis and other devout Jews who protest Israeli policies in Palestine, hold anti-Zionist demonstrations at Madison Square Garden and in front of the Israeli embassy, and burn the Israeli flag.

http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm

How about Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum?

How about Lubavitcher Rabbi Sholem Schneersohn?

How about all the other rabbis who have spoken out and written against Zionism?

Are THEY ALL "anti-semites" too?

xbjllb

"Btw, interesting that X-nut, who believes 9-11 was an inside-job and Bush/Zionist conspiracy, is your most vocal supporter."

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You know you're a moron when you can't even BEGIN to get it right.

Zionism, Israel, and Mossad HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I have been absolutely consistent on this issue in over 5,000 posts on over 100 different forums.

9-11 was a GHW Bush rogue branch CIA operation that hired the Saudis to provide patsies for said operation, chief of which was bin Laden himself, who was dying of a terminal liver failure. Bush friendship with the bin Laden's goes back decades.

It was for this very reason (Saudi involvement) that Israel and Mossad would HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 and Bush for a single second, and indeed, warned them on numerous occasions, which fell on deaf ears. The only thing they had to do with 9-11 was document it from the moment they realized it was to be a US false flag operation against its own people, to the very end (the notorous "dancing" Mossad jr. agents filming the demolition itself), to cover their rears and prevent ending up last on the patsy list.

You need to read more carefully. I've said thousands of times that Israel and Mossad are guilty of many things; 9-11 isn't one of them.

Unlike the freakshow here, I give credit where credit is due and have never been unilateral in offense.

thorn66

"Better yet, why don't you post some remark of mine that you think shows my "anti-semitism" -- "
Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 03:30 PM

Here ya go:
Niall: ... "firm belief in the whole Holocaust story seems to be largely a matter of faith."

and Ummah's response which I concurred with:

"Maybe that's the way you and the X - along with the entire islamic world - see it. For the rest of humanity, the Holocaust has been amply documented and its denial should be viewed as an act of deliberate malice." (Posted by: Ummah Gummah | June 28, 2009)

So tell us Niall, which elements of the Holocaust story, in your opinion, are largely a matter of faith?

thorn66

Unlike the freakshow here, I give credit where credit is due and have never been unilateral in offense.

Posted by: xbjllb | July 02, 2009 at 03:59 PM

Apologies X-nut, I may have inadvertently and mistakenly connected some of your conspiracy-related rantings.

Niall

> There wasn't ONE suicide bomber in Iraq before we
> invaded.
>
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 01:12 PM

There were NINETEEN suicide bombers in the U.S. "before we invaded" -- or were you oblivious to Sept. 11, 2001?

There haven't been any here SINCE we invaded.

If not for our blind and uncritical support for the rogue Zionist state, there probably wouldn't have been any suicide bombers here at all.

Niall

> "Better yet, why don't you post some remark of mine
> that you think shows my "anti-semitism" -- "
> Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 03:30 PM
>
> Here ya go:
> Niall: ... "firm belief in the whole Holocaust story
> seems to be largely a matter of faith."
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 04:17 PM

And how does that show "anti-semitism"?

Do you understand the question? Where exactly is the "anti-semitic" part?

thorn66

> "Better yet, why don't you post some remark of mine
> that you think shows my "anti-semitism" -- "
> Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 03:30 PM
>
> Here ya go:
> Niall: ... "firm belief in the whole Holocaust story
> seems to be largely a matter of faith."
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 04:17 PM

And how does that show "anti-semitism"?

Do you understand the question? Where exactly is the "anti-semitic" part?

Posted by: Niall | July 02, 2009 at 04:58 PM

Did you understand my response?

Again, tell us Niall, which elements of the Holocaust story, in your opinion, are largely a matter of faith?

Niall

> Again, tell us Niall, which elements of the
> Holocaust story, in your opinion, are largely a
> matter of faith?
> Posted by: thorn66 | July 02, 2009 at 05:01 PM

So you can't show ANY actual "anti-semitic" response of mine at all? What a surprise.

But to answer your question -- here's just one example: We have been told again and again and again, year after year, decade after decade, that the Germans "murdered six million Jews" in their "death camps," mostly by gassing. Six million would have been nearly 40% of all the Jews IN THE WORLD. Indeed, this has been the Holocaust promoters' claim more than once: that the Holocaust destroyed 40% of the world's Jews.

Now according to the World Almanac for 1938 there were 16.6 million Jews worldwide. (That means "in the whole world," Thorn.) According to the New York Times, in 1948 there were a MINIMUM of 15.6 million Jews worldwide and a maximum of 18.7 million. Unless the Jews bred like rabbits, such numbers would obviously be impossible if six million had been killed during that decade.

In fact, because millions of Jews fled to the east and elsewhere (to Britain, Canada and the U.S.) during the German advance, it has been estimated that there were never more than 3 to 4 million Jews in all German-occupied territory. And obviously very large numbers of those survived the Holocaust.

To believe, then, that "six million" could have been murdered -- or died by any combination of causes, including natural deaths -- demands an enormous amount of pure faith in the legend.

There's a lot more wrong with it than just the numbers, but that will do for a starter.

http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd02.html

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