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Ummahgummah

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Graphic Video Alert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf1wroSx2Q8

Iranian thug police shoot unarmed girl. The Bama won't be losing any sleep over it I am sure. He and Dhimmi Carter love the muftis.

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Truther

I fully understand Monica's position. Now, clearly in 50 cities, there were more votes cast than actual voters. Despite this, the clerical leadership has stood behind Ahmandinijad. Although we may wish for change in Iran, I am afraid this will fall short, and the clergy will take steps to attempt to prevent a similar outbreak in the future.

This is the result of civil unrest without an underlying plan. These tyrants are willing to destroy factions in their population to maintain their regimes. Without a counter to state suppression there is no chance for reform. These people are a little crazy are they not, for peaceful resistance by a populace has never been successful against anyone except the Brits.


Niall

> Although we may wish for change in Iran, I am afraid this
> will fall short, and the clergy will take steps to attempt
> to prevent a similar outbreak in the future.

I'm afraid you're right. It won't be crowds rioting in the streets that will overturn the ayatollahs and their police, Revolutionary Guards and Basij "militia." They're thugs, but they have the guns and the organization. What Iran needs now is a genuine revolution, and that takes organization, money and weapons that the populace doesn't yet have.

The government has all the power in a situation like this. The only real weapon the people have is a general strike -- and the government can make that more punishing for the people than for themselves. My guess is it's all downhill from here, as far as democracy in Iran is concerned.

Monica's saying that "a tyranny built on fear is now on the verge of collapse because the people have become fearless" is a lovely thought, but way premature.

thorn66

"Israel is the Nazi Germany of the Middle East, as a number of commentators have mentioned."

Posted by: Niall | June 22, 2009 at 10:06 PM

"Keep your chin up NIALL! As much as I like ummah gummah et al., they seemingly are clueless about the subject of Zionism. If they want to learn about Jews, they need to read Professor KMac:-"

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Blog.htm

Posted by: DJ | June 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Yes, Prof. Macdonald is a good source, and there are many others. Mearsheimer and Walt of course

Posted by: Niall | June 23, 2009 at 12:50 AM

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Wow...thanks DJ for recommending the resource to "learn about Jews" and to you Niall, for concurring regarding Kevin MacDonald. I did indeed look at his blog.

So let's see what Wikipedia has to say about Professor MacDonald:

"Kevin B. MacDonald, (born January 24, 1944) is a professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, best known for his use of evolutionary psychology to inform his study of Judaism as being a "group evolutionary strategy. MacDonald published a series of three articles in The Occidental Quarterly, a journal of opinion for self-described "white nationalists," on the alleged similarities between neoconservatism and several other possibly Jewish-dominated influential intellectual and political movements. He argues that "[t]aken as a whole, neoconservatism is an excellent illustration of the key traits behind the success of Jewish activism: ethnocentrism, intelligence and wealth, psychological intensity, and aggressiveness.
...
MacDonald testified in defense of convicted holocaust denier David Irving, where he alleged that the suppression of Irving's work was "an example of Jewish tactics for combating anti-Semitism."[20][22] MacDonald said he was an "agnostic" in regards to the Holocaust.[citation needed] MacDonald's testimony caused a backlash among his colleagues...

MacDonald has an extensive following among white supremacists and neo-Nazis.[23] Former KKK leader, David Duke has praised MacDonald's work on his website[24] Neo-Nazi Victor Gerhard wrote in a 2003 E-mail exchange that MacDonald's The Culture of Critique "is completely true; that to rail against blacks and Hispanics without mentioning Jews is like complaining about the symptoms and not the disease."[20] When MacDonald won his award from the Occidental Quarterly, the ceremony was attended by David Duke; Don Black, the founder of white supremacist site Stormfront; Jamie Kelso, a senior moderator at Stormfront; and the head of the neo-Nazi National Vanguard, Kevin Alfred Strom.[20] In 2005, Kelso told the Occidental Report that he was meeting up with MacDonald to conduct business. MacDonald is also featured in the Stormfront member Brian Jost's anti-immigrant film "The Line in the Sand", where he blamed Jews for destroying the European domination of America through their liberal pro-immigration views.[20]...
In late 2007 the Cal State Long Beach Psychology Department began the process of formally dissociating itself from MacDonald's views on Judaism, race, and the propagandistic use of his work by neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald

thorn66

Hey Ummah, at the end of the day, y'know it's all tribal anyway.

(btw, glad to see the Mets are hanging in there, but ease up a bit on my Yanks a bit will ya.)

Uffda

Monica, you ask where are the women leaders in this country speaking out about the women in Iran?

Here's one:

http://twitter.com/akgovsarahpalin

"Women worldwide watching Iran protests led by women demanding fair election & equality; their voices loud, strong; they will usher in change."

- Sarah Palin's "tweet" on June 21st.

M/M

I ‘m amazed at how people all over the world are rallying around Neda’s death. Apparently, she was taking “underground singing” lessons and was on her way home with her instructor when she was killed. Her death shows how Iranian women long for some of the basic freedoms that we take for granted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/world/middleeast/23neda.html?_r=1&ref=global-home&pagewanted=all

Take a look at this picture.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran16-2009jun16,0,5600560.story

I hope this story is being broadcast to women in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.afghan-web.com/woman/

Jeff Greenfield said on Imus yesterday that it is really difficult to practice “civil disobedience” in countries that want to shoot you for speaking out. I heard people saying that they were watching Nada’s video on YOUTUBE and Iranians were asking where is America?

Gosh, we are condemned for Afghanistan and Iraq, but Iranians are asking for us. Go figure…

xbjllb

Let's see how you spin THIS SOLUTION as "anti-semitic", Z-brats:

If I had the money and the power, my plan for Israel would be simple: Undo 1948. Move everyone in the population who would have the sense to come to the US, TO the US. (if we have room for a million plus hispanic immigrants a year, we have room for European Israelis. Especially if we built a wall to control, not stop completely, southern immigration.) Buy everyone out at full market value, leave the zealots who would stay, take possession and transfer all the military apparatus to the US, and then hand the entire state over to the Palestinians, gratis. No charge.

While simultaneously leaving Afghanistan and Iraq instantly, which never attacked us in the first place, OF COURSE. No BS "rebuilding" profiteering either, which never is true rebuilding. Iraq still has no running water.

Yeah, it is a nutty solution, one that I can't take credit for, Christ AND my first-grade teacher came up with it, and you know what the result would be?

No Armageddon. And the Mideast would rain abiotic oil on the US at $5 a barrel for at least a century. Why? Because that's how they traditionally treat enemies that have become friends and family and have finally, for the first time in their miserable history, done the right thing.

War is easy, and for the brainless. Even the brainless profit off it.

Peace is harder, and expensive. But the long range payoff is far more blessed.

*Bet you're wondering how the first-grade teacher fit into figuring out the solution. What did SHE do when two brothers who had to be in the same room absolutely refused to get along? She MOVED ONE to the OPPOSITE side of the class.

Worked like a charm.

And Christ? "Bless those who curse you." "Love your enemies." "If someone asks you for your cloak, give him your shirt also."

Yeah, I'm anti-semitic all right. I hate the Jews so much I want ALL OF THEM, HERE, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

With open arms. Where they'll finally be safe. And where they'll not only be wanted and respected, but prosper like my family before them.

G-d is ANYPLACE you are gathered together; not in a blood-soaked piece of ground which fighting over has turned you and your enemies into Nazis and dogs fighting over a piece of rotten meat.

Zion can be America. If we finally do the right thing. Wake the ef up.


xbjllb

Elaborate on that southern border wall? Why of course, I'd be happy to.

The problem with Southern Hispanic immigration is simple. All other waves of immigration to this country ENDED. We had many waves, Irish, Italian, Swedish, Russian Jewish, etc. But when things got better back home, those waves of immigration effectively ended. Which allowed each group time to assimilate, learn the language, culture, indeed, become part of the culture itself without turning the entire culture into an Italian, Swedish, Irish, or Jewish one, etc. etc. etc.

The problem with Southern Hispanic immigration (and it is a problem) is that the wave never ends. The situation never improves or gets better back home, and so it becomes an endless wave that never truly completely assimilates. What occurs is the culture eventually becomes a predominantly Spanish-speaking Hispanic one, completely replacing the original melting pot culture we had previously. You cannot keep a culture intact when you've got 85% of it non-assimilating.

The solution to this is simple. You really need to build a wall. Not to keep hispanic southern immigration out permanently, but to be able to stop it for eight years or so every decade to give the culture already in time to assimilate without endlessly replicating their culture here. Then for two years every decade, you could open it up again. The wave needs to be controlled for proper assimilation, not stopped forever.

And with the money thrown to Cheney and Rumsfeld and the Bushes in the Iraq debacle, and now Obama and his "dumber war" Afghanistan debacle, we could have built one heck of a wall and manned it, and not a single US serviceman or woman would have died, let alone all our victims.

Our priorities are all eff'ed up, because we let war profiteers run the government.

Checkers

From my viewpoint, the youthful Iranian demonstrator/protesters might have better success in toppling the tyranny of the Mullah Regime by staying home from their jobs all over the country thereby shutting down Iran's oil industry. JMHO!

DJ

thorn66 writes:"So let's see what Wikipedia has to say about Professor MacDonald:"

Yeah, like Wikipedia is the ultimate arbiter of truth ... and if all you have to discredit the work of Professor MacDonald is the fact some white-supremacists agree with him is beyond lame. Example: David Duke openly supports the Republicans over the Dems. Does that ipso facto categorize the GOP as a bastion of white-supremacy? Maybe in the minds of the LIEberals it does, but normal people certainly don't.

SteveOk

They don't have any fear in Iran, but all the fear is here in America. We have a President who is seriously lacking the manhood necessary to confront this evil empire. It is disgraceful how he insists that America will not meddle and we will not allow this thugocracy to blame us for standing up for freedom and democracy.

I appreciate the courage of the woman in Iran and only wish our President had 1/10 the courage showed by these woman. He is a disgrace.

Checkers

IT IS ABSURD & NAIVE to agrue that undoing 1948 and relocating Israeli Jews to the America is the solution to the Middle East challenges of today!

Muslims at war with the world!!!

Following is a list of Areas (most unrelated to the Israel-Palestinian conflict) with current conflicts, Groups Involved, What the Muslims want from each conflict:

Afghanistan Muslims & Non-Muslims [A pure Islamic society]. Extreme radical fundamentalist want a pure Islamic society in Afghanistan…

EU Muslims & the world [World domination]
Muslims want the EU out of Iraq & to destroy western civilization and have Islam sweep the EU…

India Muslims & Hindus [Religious sites]
Muslims are fighting over historic Muslim religious sites through out the country…

Indonesia Muslims & Christians [Gov’t control]
Muslims want to drive out Christians in the Province of Halmahera…

Iraq Muslims (Shiite & Sunni) & Kurds [Gov’t control]
Muslims are fighting over gov’t control and fundamental beliefs through out the country…

Israel Muslims & Jews [Extermination & Land]
Muslims want to exterminate the Jews and to take their land…

Kashmir Muslims & Hindus [Control & Land]
Muslims would like Kashmir to fall under Pakistan’s jurisdiction…

Kurdistan Muslims & Christians [Gov’t control]
Muslims want to drive out Christians and take gov’t control…

Maldives Muslims & Non-Muslims [A pure Islamic society]. Extreme radical fundamentalist want a pure Islamic society in the Maldives…

Nigeria Muslims & Christians [Gov’t control]
Muslims in the N. are battling Christians in the S. trying to maintain a military dictatorship…

Pakistan Muslims (Sunni & Shiite) [Religious Beliefs]
Muslims are fighting over gov’t control and fundamental beliefs through out the country…

Palestine Muslims & Jews [Extermination & Land]
Muslims want to exterminate the Jews and to take their land and hand it to Palestine…

Philippines Muslims & Christians [Gov’t control]
Muslims in the S. are battling Christians in the N. trying to seek gov’t control…

Russia Muslims & Christians [Gov’t control]
Chechnya wants autonomy and has vowed to blow up every Christian church in Russia…

Sudan Muslims & Christians [Gov’t control]
The Muslim regime wants absolute control and has committed Genocide in the country…

U.S. Muslims & the world [World domination]
Muslims want the U.S out of the Middle East and to destroy western civilization and have Islam
sweep the EU…

These are just a handful of ongoing Muslim wars around the world.

The general consensus from this information compiled clearly shows that what the MUSLIMS WANT IS ISLAMIC CONTROL OF THE WORLD and DEATH TO ALL WHO REFUSE TO CONVERT!!!

WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM - IN 1899!

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

Checkers

Overlooked facts in the current Middle East situation as complied by a Christian University professor.

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as a part of the Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing and Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and programs.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab land is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations inititated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15066

Niall

> You really need to build a wall. Not to keep hispanic
> southern immigration out permanently, but to be able to stop
> it for eight years or so every decade to give the culture
> already in time to assimilate without endlessly replicating
> their culture here.

I agree completely with your thoughts on assimilation. That is the problem. However, I am dubious about the usefulness of a wall.

Even the Great Wall of China (an incredible feat of engineering which we could not hope to equal today, for economic reasons if nothing else) was not completely effective in keeping unwanted people out. Today, a wall is even less effective. You can go around or over a wall, or break openings in it. And if you depend completely on the wall, then anyone who gets past it is home free.

What we really need to do is concentrate on finding illegal aliens that are here now and getting rid of them, and doing everything possible to make illegal entry a much less attractive proposition in the future. This is mainly a political problem. Democrats, recognizing that Hispanics are increasingly an important part of their constituency, will barely even give lip service to the idea of protecting our southern border. Republicans, faced with this changing demographic and understandably in fear of it, don't know how to cope with it and are more or less paralyzed.

It is hard to see how this is going to get anything but worse. The Bush administration never did anything about it and the Obama administration has even less desire to. Our congresscritters for the most part don't have the political will to do anything either, beyond the half-hearted building of that dinky wall. Some citizens in those border states complain about their properties being constantly trashed by illegals and concomittant increases in serious crime, but evidently those citizens are not important enough even to their own politicians for anything effective to be done about it.

xbjllb

"Blah-blah Islam bad, blah blah, Islam bad, blah blah Islam bad, blah blah Islam bad, blah-blah Islam source of all evil, blah-blah Islam root of all evil, blah-blah-blah-blah Islam bad, blah-blah Islam gonna get you, blah-blam Islam wants all humans driven into sea, blah-blah kill all there before they kill us here, blah-blah-slobber-babble-drool-bark-bark-bark-bark!!!!!"

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AS IF ANYONE, let alone Monica, is going to listen to an idiot who names himself after Nixon's DOG.

Zionism=Insane Idiocy

xbjllb

"Today, a wall is even less effective. You can go around or over a wall, or break openings in it."

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NOT if your troops are sitting on top of it, with automatic weapons, playing poker. As opposed to patrolling in Iraq, raping little girls and killing their families and instead of bombing weddings and funerals in Afghanistan.

So what if it makes the country look like a fascist prison. What counts is the reality, not appearances.

A prison is only a prison if you can't get out. If you can't get in, then it's a country club.

Ummahgummah

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These dumbass leftists keep repeating their lies about how our troops are "raping little girls", "bombing funerals and weddings" when FACT is that the needlessly complex ROE have prevented us from taking out the vermin bin Laden and others on more than one occasion.

Let's talk about the islamists, who cut the heads off of any "unbeliever" who happens to fall into their hands.

That includes children as the recent case from Yemen shows.

Sick of the double standards..

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DJ

"I agree completely with your thoughts on assimilation."

Assimilation? Mexicans assimilating into a European based culture? Not according to Victor Davis Hanson:

http://www.amazon.com/Mexifornia-Becoming-Victor-Davis-Hanson/dp/1893554732

If the demographic trend keeps going on the trajectory it is currently on, it will be the Mexicans demanding WE assimilate into their culture. No thanks!

STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW lest we be drowned in third-worldism!

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/recommended/immigration-gumballs.html

Niall

> "Today, a wall is even less effective. You can go around or
> over a wall, or break openings in it."

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> NOT if your troops are sitting on top of it, with automatic
> weapons, playing poker.

The Great Wall of China at one time had a million men guarding it. We don't have that many troops to deploy for poker playing.


> As opposed to patrolling in Iraq,
> raping little girls and killing their families

That's not what our troops are doing there. You're taking an isolated incident and pretending it's the routine thing. We've got what, 130,000 troops in Iraq? Compare their behavior with that of a city of that size and you'll have to agree our guys are behaving remarkably well. Far better than they have in some other wars, in fact.

thorn66

thorn66 writes:"So let's see what Wikipedia has to say about Professor MacDonald:"

Yeah, like Wikipedia is the ultimate arbiter of truth ... and if all you have to discredit the work of Professor MacDonald is the fact some white-supremacists agree with him is beyond lame. Example: David Duke openly supports the Republicans over the Dems. Does that ipso facto categorize the GOP as a bastion of white-supremacy? Maybe in the minds of the LIEberals it does, but normal people certainly don't.

Posted by: DJ | June 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Obviously you are too lazy to do your own research. You tried to cleverly cherry-pick and attack part of the excerpt I quoted from Wikipedia MacDonald has embraced some of these white-nationalist organizations as much as they have embraced him. As mentioned earlier, he is a contributing editor for, and has received a 10,000 dollar grant and award from, the white nationalist publication "The Occidental Quarterly" published by the Charles Martel Society. He has voluntarily testified on behalf of Holocaust denier David Irving. You seemed to conveniently avoid addressing these inconvenient facts.

Here is a generous "conservative" perspective on MacDonald's writings
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/mar/10/00025/

Btw, I hope that you and Niall realize that your most avid supporter here is X-nut, who fervently believes that 9-11 was an "inside-job" and the product of a diabolical Zionist/Bush administration conspiracy.

Niall

> STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW lest we be drowned in third-
> worldism!

We don't need to stop ALL immigration. We only need to control it, to keep it to reasonable and legal levels. That's what we're not doing, and that's the problem.

Truther

Terrorist Attacks on Rail Transportation Targets
Between 1998 and 2003, there were approximately 181 attacks on trains and related rail
targets such as depots, ticket stations and rail bridges worldwide. Attacks on light rail systems
and subway systems are included in these estimates. Attacks have occurred in all corners of the
globe, including Venezuela, Colombia, India, Pakistan, Spain and the United Kingdom. These
attacks resulted in an estimated 431 deaths and several thousand injuries. Bombs were the most
frequently used weapon in these attacks, although firearms and arson have also been used.

Bombs in the train, bombs on the track, and track sabotage are the common methods of attack. The Metro system had instituted random searches of bags on the trains. A incident in India involved a boulder on the track, causing 20 deaths and 70 injuries.

Trains are more dangerous than airplanes, but less dangerous than buses.

Checkers

Like most MENTALLY DISORDERED LIBERALS, xbjllb CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH so it resorts to personal attacks on the person making sound sense.

xbjllb has pathetically disgraced itself here for all the world to see!

Ummahgummah

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Hey, Checkers, the X soiunds just like those iranian agents posting on various websites in Europe that the Neda vide is a fake while at the same time the iranian government demanded a $3000 "bullet fee" for the return of her body the family.

http://current.com/items/90258286_families-of-slain-protesters-charged-3k-bullet-fee-for-loved-ones-body.htm

Those are some rather expensive bullets. And it's an admission of guilt.

Leave it up to the paid propagandists and the lunatics who buy their lies to continue the charade.

The vile anti-semitism coming from this piece of X clearly reveals its pro-terrorist leanings.

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DJ

"Here is a generous "conservative" perspective on MacDonald's writings
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/mar/10/00025/ "
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And here is Kevin MacDonald's response:

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/derb.htm

BTW- the Occidental Quarterly isn't a "white nationalist" (white nationalist has such a bad connotation) publication in the same vein as a National Vanguard; rather, "it is (per Wikipedia) a journal "devoted to the ethnic, racial, and cultural heritage that forms the foundation of Western Civilization". It aims to defend "the cultural, ethnic, and racial interests of Western European peoples" and examine "contemporary political, social, and demographic trends that impact the posterity of Western Civilization".

What's so objectionable about that? The subject matter contained in the OQ, certainly falls within the mainstream of a polite society, no?

thorn66

BTW- the Occidental Quarterly isn't a "white nationalist" (white nationalist has such a bad connotation) publication in the same vein as a National Vanguard; rather, "it is (per Wikipedia) a journal "devoted to the ethnic, racial, and cultural heritage that forms the foundation of Western Civilization". It aims to defend "the cultural, ethnic, and racial interests of Western European peoples" and examine "contemporary political, social, and demographic trends that impact the posterity of Western Civilization".

What's so objectionable about that? The subject matter contained in the OQ, certainly falls within the mainstream of a polite society, no?

Posted by: DJ | June 23, 2009 at 03:58 PM

Okay, you are a "polite" anti-semite.

A sister publication to the Occidental Journal is the Occidental Observer. Both are funded by the Charles Martel Society. Do you subscribe to the Observer as well?

An online publication called The Occidental Observer has become a primary voice for anti-Semitism from far-right intellectuals. Founded in October 2007 as a "Webzine," or online magazine, it is one of a number of publishing efforts that have grown out of the Charles Martel Society, a group founded by William Regnery II, a Chicago, Illinois-based heir to the Regnery publishing fortune.

Kevin MacDonald's influence

Ideologically, the magazine is guided by the ideas of Kevin MacDonald, an anti-Semitic professor of evolutionary psychology at California State University, Long Beach, who regularly writes for the publication.

This is evident in the magazine's "mission statement," which speaks repeatedly of "ethnic identity and interests" and asserts that whites, once they become a minority, will "develop a stronger sense of their own identity and interests." A "group editorial" from November 2008 says that Jews could partner with "European-Americans" so long as they "acknowledge the role of the organized Jewish community in the dispossession of European America." Both of these ideas are common tropes in MacDonald's writings, and parrot the type of language he uses.

Blatant anti-Semitism

Articles in The Occidental Observer are often explicitly anti-Semitic in comparison to similar far-right "academic" publications that seek to couch their bigotry as legitimate intellectual inquiry. This is likely a direct result of MacDonald's influence. In addition to MacDonald, Edmund Connelly (who calls himself a "freelance writer, academic, and expert on the cinema arts), is a chief writer for the publication and has also contributed articles with anti-Semitic themes.

Examples of anti-Semitic articles in the publication include:
A "group editorial" from November 2008 says that Jews could partner with "European-Americans" so long as they "acknowledge the role of the organized Jewish community in the dispossession of European America."

* A January 4, 2009 article entitled "Bernie Madoff's Ethno-Nepotistic Ponzi Scheme," by an anonymous writer who used the pseudonym "James Murray" and described himself as an "American sociologist." The article claimed that the alleged Bernard Madoff financial scheme was in truth a plot to allow Jews to steal from non-Jews, and that this plot had succeeded.

* A September 24, 2008 article entitled "The Sandra Bernhard Monstrosity" charged that "hostility to whites and to Christianity is a mainstream Jewish phenomenon."

* A September 12, 2008 article by Edmund Connelly, entitled "The Washington Post's Willing Executioner?" argued that that Jews want to exterminate American whites.

* An article from the summer of 2008 alleged that anti-Semitic Arab cartoons sometimes tell the truth, as when they charge that Jews control American politics.

Sister publication

In addition to The Occidental Observer, The Charles Martel Society publishes The Occidental Quarterly, a racist print publication that mimics the look and style of academic journals and has been in existence since 2001. In its own words, it hopes to "defend the racial group that created and sustains our civilization." The Occidental Observer seeks to distinguish itself from The Occidental Quarterly by printing shorter and more obviously opinionated articles.

Both Kevin MacDonald and Edmund Connelly have contributed articles on Jews to The Occidental Quarterly, though that publication is generally far less anti-Semitic than The Occidental Observer.

thorn66

RE: The Prevention of Illegal Immigration

In response to the some of the suggestions regarding building of bigger better walls etc.

If you really want to stop illegal immigration from places like Mexico, then how about criminalizing the hiring of illegals. A few well-publicized arrests and imprisonment of Texas and California businessmen and farmers should drastically reduce the flow across the border.

DJ

"Okay, you are a "polite" anti-semite."

Polite yes, anti-Semite, no.

BTW, Thorn66, are you a member of the 'hate group' known as the ADL?

Niall

> What's so objectionable about that? The subject matter
> contained in the OQ, certainly falls within the mainstream
> of a polite society, no?
>
> Posted by: DJ | June 23, 2009 at 03:58 PM

THORN66 replies:

> Okay, you are a "polite" anti-semite.

Please show how DJ is an "anti-semite" at all, polite or otherwise.

You are just using the old, familiar and increasingly tiresome tactic of calling anyone and everyone an "anti-semite" who criticizes any of the Jewish/Zionist machinations designed to promote the interests of their ethnic group and co-religionists at the expense of everyone else. This is obviously intended to silence any such criticism, the idea being I suppose that "anti-semite" is supposed to be some sort of magic word that causes anyone who has the temerity to critize honestly to run away quaking in fear.

It undoubtedly has worked that way in the past, but you apparently don't appreciate that as a tactic it is just getting worn out. The more you call people those names without any justification, the more the bad names lose their effectiveness.

Has it never occurred to you that you may well be PROMOTING real anti-Semitism by doing this? Do you think that calling people "anti-Semites" and "Nazis" who are not, IMPROVES their opinion of Jews?

The rest of your post looks like it was mostly pasted in from somewhere else, complete with subject headings. Why not just supply the link? Would it have embarrassed you to do so?

Truther

Medical care reform :

100K for open heart surgery (1/4)
40K for heart catheterization
7K for a single innoculation for retarding? macular degeneration
6K for a single round of chemo-therapy (1/4)

I guess every American can afford medical care like a big time Hollywood celebrity!

Ummahgummah

If you really want to stop illegal immigration from places like Mexico, then how about criminalizing the hiring of illegals. A few well-publicized arrests and imprisonment of Texas and California businessmen and farmers should drastically reduce the flow across the border.

POSTED BY: THORN66 | JUNE 23, 2009 AT 04:29 PM


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Yeah, but why not ALSO empower Law Enforcement who are at present completely hamstrung and frustrated!

Tehy're not even allowede to ask about the immigration status of anyone they arrest!

How about no schooling and no hospitalization for illegals!!

How about actually repatriating illegals!

And how about NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES!

If you agree to all those I'll be HAPPY - ECSTATIC - about arresting busin ess owners who hire the illegals.

If all you do is arrest AMERICANS who hire these people their rate of unemployment will be even higher and taxpayers will be bled even more.

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gringoman

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Yeah, but why not ALSO empower Law Enforcement who are at present completely hamstrung and frustrated!

Tehy're not even allowede to ask about the immigration status of anyone they arrest!

How about no schooling and no hospitalization for illegals!!

How about actually repatriating illegals!

And how about NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES!

If you agree to all those I'll be HAPPY - ECSTATIC - about arresting busin ess owners who hire the illegals.

If all you do is arrest AMERICANS who hire these people their rate of unemployment will be even higher and taxpayers will be bled even more.

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | June 23, 2009 at 05:32 PM

Ummah,

It's after 5 in the afternoon. Must you be so logical? The hour of aperitif is drawing nigh.

Ummahgummah

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Gringoman,

Logic is the hallmark of Conservatism!

Bad merlot and too many pills are the hallmarks of LIEberalism.

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Ummahgummah

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Gringoman, better yet:

Logic is the hallmark of Conservatism!

Mental disorder is the hallmark of LIEberalism.

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gringoman

Gringoman,

Logic is the hallmark of Conservatism!

Bad merlot and too many pills are the hallmarks of LIEberalism.

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Posted by: Ummah Gummah | June 23, 2009 at 05:58 PM

Ummah,

Speaking of conservative hallmarks, Monica's Georgie Bush seemed to think it was 'compassion,' as in Michael Savage's proudly touted neologism, 'compassionate conservatism' (of which he claims he was robbed.)

But I don't know if we can speak of such a menage-a-trois.

Truther

The day is coming that illegal immigrants will have to be deported. There are too many. There is going to be some serious confrontation over jobs soon. Whole communiies are being inundated by immigrants.
Only ACORN could cover this up in the census. No one has the numbers but they are from all over, and well-represented in every city. There may be more than 30 million. Already costs are ruining the economies of NY and CA, and national milk prices are depressed because of CA farms overproducing milk for the sake of feeding the immigrants. Our remaining US dairy farms are being pushed into nonexistance.

Medical care reform :

100K for open heart surgery (1/4)
40K for heart catheterization
7K for a single innoculation for retarding? macular degeneration
6K for a single round of chemo-therapy (1/4)

I guess every American can afford medical care like a big time Hollywood celebrity!

I jus wanted to add that the runaway cost arose in the early eighties, as the government said they were removing regulations, while the AMA and the government decided to increase medical payouts for medicare and medicaid - the basic socialization of medical care. This basci process continued through the BushII administration.


Truther

If the average person cannot pay for medical expenses out of pocket ... it is too expensive.

xbjllb

"xbjllb has pathetically disgraced itself here for all the world to see!"

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Bow wow!!! Woof woof!!! Lifts leg; piddles. Scoots rear across rug... sniffs crotch.... licks genitals... dumps.

Good boy, Checkers!! Good boy!

xbjllb

"The vile anti-semitism coming from this piece of X clearly reveals its pro-terrorist leanings."

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And you think everyone can't see you typing away from your Tel Aviv apartment (on the payroll of TWO, maybe three govs,) Sweetness...

Anti-Zionism is not, and will never be, anti-semitism. Some of the strongest anti-Zionists on the planet are New York Hasidim.

xbjllb

""The vile anti-semitism coming from this piece of X clearly reveals its pro-terrorist leanings."

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Try explaining, with a straight face, how wanting all the Jewish people of Israel to come to the country where I reside, the United States, to be my personal neighbors, indeed, after paying them full market value for their real estate, is, by any stretch of the wildest paranoid imagination, anti-semitic?

I'm waiting.

Ummahgummah

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The X......t doesn't have a clue. It thinks that people will just want to give up their hard-won lands.

It took a lot of blood and five DEFENSIVE Wars to give the Jews this tiny sliver of land which is the size of New Jersey.

And these leftard islamolickers want to buckle down like O'Dhimma and hand Israel to the sworn enemies of teh entire rest of Mankind..

.. see also under destruction of Jewish and Christian sites in mopslem lands.. as well as the destruction of the Bayan Buddhas by the fiendish Taliban!

Furthermolre, Israel has become home to a pletohora of Jews who have had to flee their former countries in the moslem world, incidentally WITHOUT much noise from the UN or any of the usual "refugee orghanizations"!!

No "outcrys" from the various "high commissioners" and "special rapporteurs" who are so quick to jump to condemn the Swiss and other Europeans if moHAMedans are prevented from building their prayer rocktes as high as they please!!

Yes, Jews have been disenfranchised by many a moHAMedan country AFTER World War 2, the majority of whom having decided to put down roots in Israel.

Out of their cold dying hands, bitch.

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Ummahgummah

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Now what smart Jew - or any intelligent person really - would weant to live next to X to be its "personal neighbors".

I'm still laughing.. it's just too preposterous. Or should I say preposteriorous?

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Truther

Should we be hiding individual acts of terror? It has been some time since 9/11, and engaging local law enforcement to aggressively arrest or deport individuals connected with domestic terrorism could take place if federal agencies did not step in and carry out a program of disguising attacks. This hides the existence of these networks, and does not allow a sizeable task force to root out potential terrorists. Who knows how many people from the Middle East are currently living illegallly in the US?
Why do we not have information on where these people are located made public?

This could be part of a larger program to remove illegals, but how these people are distributed and how they operate are being kept from people generally and from local law enforcement in particular.

How long can the US pretend there are no terrorists?

Truther

People may want us to leave, but we are not going anywhere.

Benjamin Netanyahu

Ummahgummah

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And Netanyahu is right.

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xbjllb

"Out of their cold dying hands, bitch." etc. etc. etc.

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And the Zionazis talk about me disgracing myself for the entire world to see.

They can't even see their own lack of any quality remotely approaching humanity.

MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN

M/M

Ree, as Jake Tapper proves, not everyone on ABC is as annoying as Barbara Walters, Diane Sawyer and Charlie Gibson. I really enjoy George Stephanopoulos and don’t find him biased. Robin Roberts is the only reason to watch “Good Morning America” and Charles Gibson should do ABC a fire by stepping down and letting Kate Snow anchor the evening news.

M/M

NOT if your troops are sitting on top of it, with automatic weapons, playing poker. As opposed to patrolling in Iraq, raping little girls and killing their families and instead of bombing weddings and funerals in Afghanistan.

So what if it makes the country look like a fascist prison. What counts is the reality, not appearances.
A prison is only a prison if you can't get out. If you can't get in, then it's a country club.
Posted by: xbjllb | June 23, 2009 at 01:01 PM
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YOU are extremely offensive. Our soldiers are fighting over because we were attacked and many of them have sacrificed more for our country than we can ever imagine.

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