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Sovereign_1

I wonder what Richard and Jack are saying as they look down and see what is happening to our great nation right now?

Truther

Jack received several concussions, but he still seemed to echo the sentiments of supply-side at the time they were relevant - the beginning of he Reagan administration. Of course, this philosophy was taken too far and applied for far too long. Jack died and lets hope supply-side thinking taken to extremes is also dead.

Of nation has a rendezvous with destiny. We are rapidly running out of credit (possibly for the upcoming budget)and the bankers, unregulated as they are, will steal and loan out all money until it is gone.

WHAT THEN? Is it every man and woman for themselves?
HEY JACK, WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT?

xbjllb

"I wonder what Richard and Jack are saying as they look down and see what is happening to our great nation right now?"

Nixon: You know, Jack, I really was never a crook.

Kemp (rolling eyes): Oh, Dick.

M/M

Diane Sawyer is interviewing James Carville on “Good Morning America” and he said that the teabaggers are turning everyone off because they are a bunch of 75-year -old white guys. (Don’t have the transcript because he just said it, so I hope I didn’t take him out of context .)

Hey, Monica weren’t you at the NYC tea party? You don’t look like a 75-year-old white guy to me. Well, what do you expect from a LIEberal – the truth?


SteveOk

Jack Kemp was Reaganomics. He believed that the way to economic prosperity was decreased taxes and government regulation. The Kemp-Roth Tax cut in the early Reagan Administration cut the highest tax rate by 30 percent from its stagflation producing 70 percent rate. He more than anyone else beside Reagan himself is responsible for the economic expansion of the 1980s and not even the current socialists like Obama dare propose going back to 70 percent marginal tax rates. Kemp was a friend of Art Laffer and other economists who believed in lower taxes, lower regulations, and that economic growth doesn't come from social welfare give-away programs.

We will miss Jack Kemp very much, especially now as socialism gains a strong foothold in America.

M/M

James Carville just told Imus that I was am a 65-old-white guy 'cause I love FOX, Rush and conservative talk radio. Wow, didn't know that tea partyers were that angry.

Jack Kemp sounds like a great guy and someone who we should emulate.

EminemsRevenge

I remember Jack Kemp primarily as a football legend...saw him play his last year with a rookie named Orenthal Simpson.

As a politician, from what i recollect, he was never behind any offensive legislation or a camera hog like Charles "Chucky Cheese" Schumer, the Photo-Op King of NY who thinks flip-flopping is the way to do business.

From what I hear though, he was popular amongst Blacks in Buffalo, so he must've been doing something right!

=====Jack Kemp was Reaganomics=====

Well, nobody's perfect.

M/M

ER,

LOVE your blog. Thanks for posting that Dylan concert; I was enjoying music all weekend.

From listening to the news, it seems as if Jack Kemp was SINCERELY into civil rights versus pandering to get votes. (Bet he would like your blog too.)

Steve is really good on economics. You should read his posts.

FK

What I remember about Jack Kemp was that he entered the primaries in 1988 because he wanted to prevent George Bush I from becoming president because he thought Bush was a lightweight. How right he was.

Truther

It was Jack that brought the S&L scandal : and freebees for the effete and wealthy. Hey. Here! Catch!

Now, with the thievery of the information from the information age, we are up Jack creek.


Truther

Fred. have you been ill? Was it the stimulus package?

SteveOk

(Fred)What I remember about Jack Kemp was that he entered the primaries in 1988 because he wanted to prevent George Bush I from becoming president because he thought Bush was a lightweight. How right he was.
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Fred, it was Bush the elder who called Reagononics "voodoo economics" in the 1980 campaign. The idea of cutting taxes was not commonly believed doctrine among economists in 1980 and Bush probably expressed the majority opinion. But a few wise and brave people like Kemp and Reagan insisted that the road to economic recovery and growth consisted of reduced marginal tax rates for individuals and businesses. Reagan was able to sign the Kemp-Roth tax cuts and the 1980s was a decade of tremendous economic expansion that continued throughout the 90s except for a brief recession in 1991/2.

FK

I was commenting more on Kemp's recognition that Bush I did not have the vision or intellect to lead this nation. I agreed.

FK

Fred. have you been ill? Was it the stimulus package?

Posted by: Truther | May 04, 2009 at 01:49 PM

I was sick of this blog and took a break from it. I'm only stopping in occasionally.

mjfell

'Directly Threatened My Client' Over Chrysler Bankruptcy Plan

'Directly Threatened My Client' Over Chrysler Bankruptcy Plan

mjfell

The Violence of Central Planning by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/centralplanning.html


Perhaps the worst part of these policies is that they are inconceivable without a leviathan state, exactly as Keynes said. A government big enough and powerful enough to manipulate aggregate demand is big and powerful enough to violate people's civil liberties and attack their rights in every other way. Keynesian (or Hitlerian) policies unleash the sword of the state on the whole population. Central planning, even in its most petty variety, and freedom are incompatible.

mjfell

It's No Longer A Laughing Matter-

by DL Hammack

When the new administration took over Washington and our smiling, community activist, leader took the oath of office, the chuckles began as we witnessed the most expensive inauguration in US history and the start of the transformation of America. I giggled -- initially. This idol-worshipped man with absolutely no background or experience became our new President. I laughed at how America had been taken for a ride.

When the President embarrassed America with his lame gift to the British Prime Minister, it was so sad it was funny. I giggled under my breath.

When the One could not convey any coherent text without the aid of his teleprompter, I snickered until I realized that these words were not his. If the machine failed, he was absolutely lost and could not find a meaningful conveyance with two hands and a flashlight.

When he then went on the apology tour of Europe; bowed to the Saudi king and shook hands with Hugo Chavez, I grinned, but the laughter was absent when I came to the conclusion that this man truly despises what America stands for.

When the new administration put out the plan for veterans to pay for their own health care, it started to get ugly. There was absolutely no humor left when I thought of these heroes coming back to American soil with the new administrations' welcome home gift. "Thanks guys and gals and for your eighteen months of life-threatening service, Johnny, what do we have for them?"

When Janet Napalitano, the Secretary of Homeland Security deemed returning war veterans and conservatives possible terrorists, it was no longer funny and it started to piss me off. We can no longer call the real bad guys terrorists. They get the moniker of Man Caused Disasters. But returning war veterans being labeled as Home Grown Terrorists?

Mr. President, you have the power to push buttons, but you're starting to push the ones that are going to send more and more Americans into opposition.

When the administration chose to publish the CIA interrogation memos jeopardizing the security of our soldiers and the willingness of all national security operatives to continue to do what they do -- all for political motivation, it became clear that they will stop at nothing to accomplish their ideological goals. Enough is enough! I can't even manufacture a whimper of humor anymore.

Now our leader has the audacity to take the bond holders and private investors in Chrysler to the woodshed and publicly threaten them into giving up their investment? "How dare they be so un-American as to want more of their investment dollars back?"

It's no longer funny. This is serious. What was initially a comedy of errors and gaffes is now becoming a serious threat to our security, our economy and our way of life.

Initially, I thought that this guy would float his trial balloons aimed at taking us to the left... test the waters, so-to-speak. He did. We watched. When nobody shot these balloons down, or stood up to the radical changes he proposed, he and Rahm became even more brazen.

Initially, I thought that regardless of his left-leaning motivations, he surely would not endanger the people of America or cause them undue hardships as a result of his desires? How wrong I was! This man...the administration couldn't give a d*mn about the people or their suffering, as long as it advances their agenda and creates a future throng of democratic voters who are addicted to the state. It's time for us to recognize that this President, his cabinet, his staff, his Supreme Court appointees all have a common interest and that interest has nothing whatsoever to do with the people of this country.

Until we wake up and see this charade, this façade called the administration of change, we will continue to dig a hole so deep that no manner of "change" will allow us to escape from the policy mandates this President will force upon us. Wake up America, or one day we will wake up and see an America that we no longer recognize or want to be a part of. Those of us who recognize what is going on will continue to speak out to make people aware and we will continue to be singled out by the administration; vilified if necessary, as they continue the process of steamrolling America to accomplish their agenda.

Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/its_no_longer_a_laughing_matte.html

mjfell

UN - Agenda 21- Sustainable Development

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJp0P6eggXU

mjfell

'Directly Threatened My Client' Over Chrysler Bankruptcy Plan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYcSnomhMLk

Anyone standing in their way of Socializing the Financial Sector will be steamrolled. Why would anyone ever want to invest anymore if their contracts won't be honored?

gringoman

The Violence of Central Planning by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/centralplanning.html


Perhaps the worst part of these policies is that they are inconceivable without a leviathan state, exactly as Keynes said. A government big enough and powerful enough to manipulate aggregate demand is big and powerful enough to violate people's civil liberties and attack their rights in every other way. Keynesian (or Hitlerian) policies unleash the sword of the state on the whole population. Central planning, even in its most petty variety, and freedom are incompatible.

Posted by: mjfell | May 04, 2009 at 02:56 PM

MJ,

You previously posted something implying a difference between 'statism' and 'socialism.' If you believe there is a difference can you tell us what it is?

SteveOk

(Fred)I was commenting more on Kemp's recognition that Bush I did not have the vision or intellect to lead this nation. I agreed.
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I don't think that was it, Kemp probably believed Bush the Elder would raise taxes, which he did even though he said "read my lips". As for Bush the Elder's intellect, he had the smarts not to get us bogged down in Iraq.

Truther

Its too bad that bankers did not collar someone like Michael Spinks instead of Jack. He might have prevented Obama's election, and I could just see him explaining the flat tax, as an easier tax to cipher.

ThePaganTemple

Jack Kemp conversing with Richard Nixon in the great beyond.

Nixon-It sure is good to see you again, Jack.

Jack-God, what did I do wrong?

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

xbjllb

God: You stayed GOP.

M/M

LIEberals should WORSHIP Nixon.

Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency (E.P.A)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency

Nixon created the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA)
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=nixon+and+osha&FORM=MSNH11

Nixon’s visit to China

“The visit ushered in a new era of Chinese-American relations.[48] Fearing the possibility of a Sino-American alliance, the Soviet Union yielded to American pressure for détente”[125]

AND

Nixon used the improving international environment to address the topic of nuclear peace. Following his successful visit to China, the Nixon administration drew up plans for the president to visit the Soviet Union. The President and First Lady arrived in Moscow on May 22, 1972.[126]


Nixon meets with Brezhnev during the Soviet Leader's trip to the U.S. in 1973
Nixon met with Soviet Leader Leonid Brezhnev, and engaged in intense negotiations regarding international issues[126] with his Soviet counterpart.[48] out of this "summit meeting" came agreements for increased trade and two landmark arms control treaties: SALT I, the first comprehensive limitation pact signed by the two superpowers,[48] and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which banned the development of systems designed to intercept incoming missiles. Nixon and Brezhnev proclaimed a new era of "peaceful coexistence" and established groundbreaking new policy of détente (or cooperation) between the two superpowers. Détente would replace the hostility of the Cold War and the two countries would live mutually. A banquet was held that evening at the Kremlin.[126]
Nixon extended the Nixon Doctrine from Vietnam to his policy toward the Soviet Union, believing that helping Iran become stronger would check the Soviets' power.[127] To win American friendship, both China and the Soviet Union cut back on their diplomatic support for North Vietnam and advised Hanoi to come to terms.[128][129][130] Nixon laid out his strategy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon

M/M

Nixon on Civil Rights:
“The Nixon years witnessed the first large-scale integration of public schools in the South.[85] Strategically, Nixon sought a middle way between the segregationist George C. Wallace and liberal Democrats, whose support of integration was alienating some Southern white Democrats. His plan has since become known as the Southern strategy.[86] He was determined to implement exactly what the courts had ordered— desegregation — but did not favor busing children, in the words of author Conrad Black, "all over the country to satisfy the capricious meddling of judges."[87] Nixon, the Quaker, felt that racism was the greatest moral failure of the United States[88] and concentrated on the principle that the law must be color-blind: "I am convinced that while legal segregation is totally wrong, forced integration of housing or education is just as wrong."[89]

Nixon tied desegregation to improving the quality of education[88] and enforced the law after the Supreme Court, in Alexander v. Holmes County Board of Education (1969), prohibited further delays. By fall of 1970, two million southern black children enrolled in newly created unitary fully integrated school districts; this meant that only 18% of Southern black children attended all-black schools, a decrease from 70% when Nixon came to office.[79] Nixon's Cabinet Committee on Education, under the leadership of Labor Secretary George P. Shultz, quietly set up local biracial committees to assure smooth compliance without violence or political grandstanding.[90] "In this sense, Nixon was the greatest school desegregator in American history," historian Dean Kotlowski concluded.[91] Author Conrad Black concurred: "In his singular, unsung way, Richard Nixon defanged and healed one of the potentially greatest controversies of the time."[92]”

M/M

And Nixon realized John F Kennedy's dream of sending a man to the moon.

M/M

Really great blog PaganTemple. I enjoyed the vintage YouTube clip featuring Eric Clapton and George Harrison and yout thoughts on Texas.

xbjllb

Wow, I never realized Nixon was such a saint. Thanks for the history lesson!

Too bad those darn liberals caught him covering up that little Mission Impossible spy soiree at DNC headquarters he'd ordered.

And then erasing incriminating tapes about it.

Darn them. Dick Nixon should have never resigned. Then he could have beat Bill Clinton at something after all...


A SUCCESSFUL impeachment.

M/M

Wow, I never realized Nixon was such a saint. Thanks for the history lesson!
Too bad those darn liberals caught him covering up that little Mission Impossible spy soiree at DNC headquarters he'd ordered.
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I didn’t say he was a saint. I just think LIEberals should look at his presidency in perspective. Oh, you can’t. I forgot. He is a old white guy and he is a Republican, so you have to hate him. You just can’t help yourselves. Now, if he was Islamic extremist, you would bend over backwards to try to understand him.

ThePaganTemple

MM-thanks, glad you like it. Monica must not, she keeps deleting my comments HaHa. I'm surprised this one slipped by, of all the ones to miss. Actually, I agree with you that Nixon did a lot of good things, far more than the left gives him credit for. That was kind of a cheap shot on my part, but it was just too much to pass up. Yeah, that Delany and Bonnie video was great. I wanted to post a video of Everlasting Song of Love, but I can't find a decent video version of it by them. Back in those days, videos were a rarity outside of film clips from concerts like the one were talking about.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

FK

(Fred)I was commenting more on Kemp's recognition that Bush I did not have the vision or intellect to lead this nation. I agreed.
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I don't think that was it, Kemp probably believed Bush the Elder would raise taxes, which he did even though he said "read my lips". As for Bush the Elder's intellect, he had the smarts not to get us bogged down in Iraq.

Posted by: SteveOk | May 04, 2009 at 04:16 PM

Your last sentence is how you feel about Bush I in retrospect. I'm talking about how Kemp felt about Bush I in 1988, and he thought Bush I was a lightweight, inducing Kemp to pursue the presidency to prevent Bush I from clinching the Republican nomination. Obviously, he did not succeed.

M/M

Pagan Temple,

Are you sure Monica is deleting your comments? I can’t believe Monica deletes anyones comments. You wouldn’t believe the things she lets the LIEberals post on this blog.

You seem pretty reasonable and understand our concerns about the border. No problem with the Nixon comments. I’m not certain how I feel about Nixon’s economic policies, but I think it is time to seem him objectively.

Did you see the Bob Dylan 30th anniversary videos I posted under “The McLaughlin Group”? That was an amazing concert, I couldn’t stop listening.

ThePaganTemple

MM-

I don't know, its strange, but I had a comment on the latest post that was deleted, and another one on the one before the MacLaughlin post that was deleted. Maybe its the language I used. I called Democrats D--- A---- in the latest post. I'm actually pretty conservative in most things, moderate in a few, maybe kind of liberal on a handful of things. I thought maybe she didn't like my blog and didn't like me promoting it with a link, but I've had Monica on a special blogroll for some time now. It's under the heading Right Wing Harpies Brigade, under a picture of a harpy with its right wing spread up. Maybe that's what she don't like HaHaHaHa

I'll check out your blog here in a day or two when I get time, I'll probably add you to my Pantheon Of Blogs blogroll. Take care.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

xbjllb

"I didn’t say he was a saint. I just think LIEberals should look at his presidency in perspective. Oh, you can’t. I forgot. He is a old white guy and he is a Republican, so you have to hate him. You just can’t help yourselves. Now, if he was Islamic extremist, you would bend over backwards to try to understand him. "

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Hey, I didn't say he was a demon, or a senile mentally challenged puppet like Reagan. Nixon did have his good points. Just more as a man than a President. I just think CONServatives should look at his Presidency in perspective. It was his own GOP that threw him under the impeachment bus. And I will always give him the credit for finally ending the debacle of Viet Nam. How many cons are still spinning the utter BS it could have been won.

I was WAY too young to vote in 1968, but not to young to chant "Nixon Nixon he's our man, Humphrey belongs in a garbage can" LOL

But then I grew up. And ran into an incredible Spanish teacher who told us his Presidency would end in disaster. She was right. I never forgot her.

Oh, Islamist Extremism is easy to understand. I could even make you understand it, by being Chinese, invading the US, bombing your grandmother and mother, and raping your baby sister AND brother, all to save them. Then planning on staying here forever by building the world's largest occupation "embassy". DId I mention making darn sure you had no day-long electricity and water after seven years?

You'd hate me for life, and blow yourself up just for any chance to get me or mine. You'd teach your kids to blow themselves up too. And you'd behead any American who'd dare to collaborate with me too and throw their heads in the street.

And I'd just never understand... after all, I only tried to save you from your evil unelected dictator Bush, who attacked his own people on 9-11...

xbjllb

Monica doesn't delete posts. But if you do put the word dam in them, and spell it correctly, with the final "n", your posts WILL get caught in the profanity filter, and she doesn't have time to edit them.

Use the word darn or dang or something similar, and your posts will appear. I imagine there are other words too that would get you caught in filter limbo.

Wow, what a nice LIEberal I am for telling you something I figured out for myself.

ThePaganTemple

Okay, that makes sense. I don't know why that never occurred to me. A profanity filter, huh? Okay, I thought it was a little strange that somebody like Monica might take the time to delete posts and not just ban me outright. Most profanity filters will just tell you that you have an unacceptable word. Well, all that I'm familiar with anyway. Thanks, Lieberal.

MM, of course I meant to say Neverending Song of Love, not Everlasting Song of Love by Delaney and Bonnie.

As for Vietnam, I'm going to say this and try not to cuss, as hard as that will be. The Kennedy Brothers started that fiasco, and Johnson extended it. He wanted a war victory feather in his cap, and it ruined him. The way the left acted during Nixon's presidency, you would have thought he started it all. Which, Eisenhower did, I think, give the South Vietnamese a few weapons, tanks and stuff, and Nixon as the most active Vice-President up till that time might have been involved, but it was the Kennedy's and Johnson who made Vietnam the fiasco that it was.

Then, when Bobby Kennedy realized which way the wind was blowing with the Eugene McCarthy candidacy, which was based primarily on opposition to the war, he magically based his campaign on opposition to the war which HE HIMSELF HAD HELPED START AND ENCOURAGE.

As a result, he derailed McCarthy's campaign. It didn't matter, nobody was going to beat Nixon that year, including, thankfully, Kennedy, if the vicious little crumb had lived.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

xbjllb

Bobby Kennedy, a "vicious little crumb"?

Who do you think YOU are, a mob princess and/or Marilyn Monroe's avenger?

Sheesh.

News flash. MEANINGLESS partisanship is so 2000.

This is Monica's blog, remember? Put some THOUGHT into it!

ThePaganTemple

I'm a guy, so it would be kind of hard to be a princess, to begin with, and in the second place, when did Bobby Kennedy become such a sacrosanct individual that he is beyond criticism? I actually spoke with some restraint, seeing as there are evidently certain words that are unacceptable for this blog. But just to make sure I'm clear as to how I feel about Robert Kennedy, I guess I'm about to find out whether the profanity filter considers prick a profanity.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

M/M

Great posts PaganTemple. I don’t know why your posts are deleted. We had a LIEberal poster who used pretty salty language and EVEN HE was surprised that he wasn’t banned. Concerning the link, the LIEberals are always insulting Monica on her blog and she hasn’t banned them yet.

I didn’t know who Bonnie and Delany were until you posted the video on your web. Hope you stop by again. Love your insight into the 60s, and your taste in music.


ThePaganTemple

MM-Seriously, you never heard of Delaney and Bonnie Bramlett? They were a big influence. Apparently, it was Delaney who taught George Harrison how to play slide guitar. Heroin wrecked their lives and careers, but they were certainly giants of their day. Delaney's dead now, I'm not sure about Bonnie. She looked like an old-time schoolmarm, by the way, didn't she?

As for the sixties, while I like much of the music, it's pretty clear to see through the haze when you aren't in the middle of it. It never ceases to amaze me how supposedly "intelligent" people of today consider Bobby Kennedy such a saint, when he was such an obvious political hack and a crook. All this nonsense about him going after the mafia, well that's all well and good. But that's sort of like GM going after Chrysler, isn't it? Strangely, for all the talk about Sam Giancana and Carlos Marcello, strangely missing from the record is the little punk's efforts against the New England mob. I guess he was just too busy, huh?

What with all the political assassinations and attempts at same, I guess he did have a lot on his plate, but really, I can overlook the lefts reluctance to look too closely at his real record in those regards. What is absolutely mind-boggling is how they never seem to notice that RFK was actually instrumental in starting the Vietnam War they love him so much for wanting to end. It boggles the mind.

On the other hand, since he is so worshiped by the left, I guess out of respect I should say something nice about him, so let's see. Okay, at least he never left any young girls to die in a car at the bottom of a tidal pond.

That we know of.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

xbjllb

So, exactly WHY was Bobby Kennedy a prick and or a crumb, aside from Marilyn Monroe and being a hated lieberal... enquiring minds want to know.

(And I knew you were a guy. Comparing a woman to a mob Princess wouldn't have meant much would it?)

Ok, read the previous post, how exactly was he a crook?

And as far as lambasting the guy for wanting to end the war "he started" just six years earlier, that's something in his favor imho. Something no one will ever be able to say about BushCheneyRumsfeldRice...


ThePaganTemple

XBJLLB-

What a moniker. I could have a lot of fun fudging that screen name if it wasn't for the profanity filter. As for Kennedy, I have an even better question. Why do you leftists, or "liberal", or "progressives", or whatever you call yourselves these days, give the punk such a big pass on so many things. Why is it this little creep is considered beyond criticism?

It's not just his actions over Vietnam, though that in itself would be more than enough to suit me. He was a manipulative little scumbag who along with his brother-a mediocre at best president, by the way-engaged in numerous assassinations, and assassination attempts on foreign leaders, and had zero regard for civil liberties while he "reined" as AG. He and his brother spied on Martin Luther King, Jr., whom he hypocritically eulogized during the latter's funeral in a self-serving appearance to shore up his planned campaign for president.

He illegally had a man kidnapped and forcibly deported to the jungles of Guatamala, without even giving him the benefit of a hearing, just snatched him up and deposited him in the middle of nowhere with nothing but the clothes on his back and the money in his wallet. Yeah, I know what you're about to say, this was a Mafia figure, but that's not the point. The point was, this guy had never been convicted of anything.

Finally, need I remind you, that since you insist Bobby Kennedy should never be criticized, that he was chief counsel for Joseph McCarthy during the heyday of the McCarthy hearings, the great communist witch hunt. Frankly, that might be his one and only worthwhile contribution to American politics, but I have to express some dismay and surprise that none of the liberal Kennedy lovers seem to want to even acknowledge that aspect of his overall sorry history.

Be that as it may, if you loved Robert Kennedy, you should be absolutely ga-ga over Joseph McCarthy.

As for Marilyn Monroe, I don't know why you keep bringing her up. She was a two-bit whore who would jump into bed with any man with money, business and/or political connections, and a penis. I don't romanticize her. Find a man in this modern day who is enthralled with Marilyn Monroe, and pretty soon he will introduce you to his boyfriend. But since you insist on dredging her up, try this thought experiment. How much of a loving family man could Robert Kennedy be to jump in the sack with a woman whose whorish nature was an open book?

And of course, she died not too long after she got involved with him. The Kennedy's are trash, and as a general rule they poison everything they touch. Robert was by no means any kind of exception to the rule.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/

FK

Folks --

Liberals appreciate a lot of the things Nixon did. I commented last night to someone that if they had gotten Nixon a therapist so he could have dealt with his paranoia and insecurities, he could have been one of our greatest presidents. But his problems influenced him to do the things that brought him down. What's even worse than what he did is what he and his men wanted to do but didn't go forward with. They wanted to firebomb the Brookings Institute to get some documents! I mean, geez!

xbjllb

TPT, I never insisted Bobby Kennedy should never be criticized, I'd just never ran into anyone who did. I asked you out of a genuine desire to learn how the other side sees things.

Now, just like all rants and raves, the truth about the man lies somewhere between the accolades not just liberals bestow upon the man, but by history, and your vitriolic take.

Thanks for sharing, and teaching me a few things I did not know.

I bring MM up because I'm a strong believer in a spiritual law of the universe that I believe and have experienced is every bit as actual and unchanging as the laws of physics: What goes around comes around.

Sooner or later. Always. You may see what you perceive as the political sins of the Kennedy's as the worst, because of your sexist moral judgment and dehumanization of Marilyn Monroe, but I do not, and will not ever agree.

As far as loving family men jumping in the sack with other women, I don't know what world you live in, but here on earth, in the USA, at least 85% of loving family men do exactly that.

Among church populations, it's probably even higher.

ThePaganTemple

That's the problem with the left, as long as somebody agrees with you, or at least doesn't stand in your way, then nobody "has the right to criticize them". Let them be a political opponent, on the other hand, or a supporter of some policy you don't like, and all of a sudden were hearing all kinds of nonsense about breast implants or shopping sprees, or pretending to be the mother of a daughter's "illegitimate" Down's Syndrome child. Try your moral equivalency on Carrie Prejean the next time you talk about her. Maybe the next time somebody slams Sarah Palin and accuses her of all kinds of nonsense, that might be a chance to prove your moral equivalence knows no bounds.

Or do you agree you don't have a right to judge Prejean or Palin either. Consistency is the hallmark of a sound and stable mind. At least neither of them hop into the sack with anybody that looks at them with a slight bulge in his pants and a glazed over expression in his eyes-and of course a bank account.

Monroe is irrelevant anyway. The only point to her is that it shows, and proves, what a scumbag Kennedy is. And that is relevant, as this was a ruthless little prick who was more of a judgmental moralist than anybody you could care to name. Why does he get a pass on that? It's not like Monroe took advantage of him in a weak moment, and he had no idea what kind of person she was when she surreptitiously plied him with drugs and alcohol. No, like all Kennedy's he was a sexual predator. He disrupted his brother's affair with her, and ended it, and then pursued her himself.

At least I'm not going to the extent of accusing Kennedy of having her killed. That would not surprise me in the least, but as far as I know, there's no compelling evidence that he did that, so I won't. So it's not like I'm being unfairly harsh to the little turd. I'm just telling you, he was not the great man of the people the left like to try to paint him as.

In fact, his brother might have been a better president than what he was if it had not been for his influence. Anytime you hear of the Kennedy's involved in some foreign misadventure, such as an assassination, etc., note how it's always the Kennedy brothers. Robert was always knee deep in it.

Then there was what he did to Marcello. Try this thought experiment. Imagine George Bush snatching up a suspected Islamic radical imam and depositing him in the middle of the Guatemalan jungle without a trial or hearing, with no money and not even a chance to pack.

Consider the possibility of George W. Bush carrying out the assassination of some national leader, or attemtping to do so, like against Ahmadinajahd, for example, or maybe Hugo Chavez.

Imagine him joining in the prosecution and investigation of suspected leftists in the US government on unfounded charges of disloyalty.

Yeah, your blood would be boiling over, wouldn't it? What makes the little punk RFK any better, especially since its a well known established fact that he actually really did do such things, no supposition or thought experiment to it.

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Try this thought experiment. Imagine George Bush snatching up a suspected Islamic radical imam and depositing him in the middle of the Guatemalan jungle without a trial or hearing, with no money and not even a chance to pack.

"Consider the possibility of George W. Bush carrying out the assassination of some national leader, or attemtping to do so, like against Ahmadinajahd, for example, or maybe Hugo Chavez.

Imagine him joining in the prosecution and investigation of suspected leftists in the US government on unfounded charges of disloyalty."

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Two words for you: extraordinary rendition. And Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/RiceCo authorized more than a hundred of them. Many of which are now deader than dead.

And I happen to like Sarah Palin. I voted and online campaigned for her and the other guy, remember?

But Miss California? Puh-leeze. At least Marilyn Monroe never even pretended to be a Christian. Miss California is at best, a goldigger, who realizes a "Christian's" talentless boobs will be worth far more than a whore's to Playboy and Hustler magazine. After the church bigots realize they've been had and quit throwing their pennies at her.

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