Apostate?

Osama bin Laden's deputy gangster Ayman al-Zawahiri is back with a new videotape, and the press went wild with his offensive description of Barack Obama as a "house negro."

But buried in the tape is something much more important. At two different points, al-Zawahiri seems to be calling out Obama as an apostate of Islam.

"You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand in the ranks of the enemies of the Muslims, and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim to be Christian, in order to climb the rungs of leadership in America." Later, he claims that Obama shares views with other "traitors" to Islam. Unlike Malcolm X, says al-Zawahiri, Obama is a fraud: the apostate son of a Muslim father who has fallen in with the Jews and the Christians. In al Qaeda's eyes, then, Obama isn't "change" at all.

Under Islam, those born to Muslim fathers are automatically Muslim. In some interpretations, there is a grace period before adulthood when one may leave the religion. After that point, however, one cannot leave Islam, and abandoning the faith is, in many places in the Islamic world, punishable by death.

It is unclear when Obama left Islam. He's talked about how the Reverend Jeremiah Wright brought him to Jesus. He's talked about how that was 20 years ago. He's 47 now, which means he was 27 when the conversion happened. That would be way out of the "grace period" during early adolescence when one might be able to leave Islam with impunity.

Some might argue that since neither his biological father nor his step-father was a particularly devout Muslim (Obama has gone as far as describing his biological father as bordering on athiest), that the rules didn't apply to Obama. That may be true here in the West----but it isn't true in the Muslim world. And it's certainly not al Qaeda's interpretation.

Apostasy is a crime of the highest order in Islam. If the Islamists are of the opinion that Obama is an apostate, how will that factor into their calculations about him----and about us?

Comments

[Ummah Gummah]

Seems like Monica DOES read the comments. And she understands islam!

[mjfell]

Monica---

An insightful observation. You point to a fact I've tried to explain to many left wing lunatics. That Obama is a Muslim because he was born to a Muslim father.

Why, do you think, he's never renounced his Muslim name?

Lew Alcindor became Kareem Abdul Jabbar when he converted to the Muslim religion. Cassius Clay became Muhammad Ali.

If he's truly converted to Christianity, why hasn't slick Barry, the affirmative action president-elect not taken a Christian name?

[Ummah Gummah]

If only others would do the same, MA!

And please none of this equivocating stuff about how it's "just a tiny minority".

Welcome to the REAL WORLD, Barry!

[Ummah Gummah]

MJ,

I'v been having the same thoughts re. the name game.

[Ummah Gummah]

We have to come to grips with the fact that we will not be able to avoid discussing islam in a more complete way.

I mean as a society. If we are to survive as such.

[Ummah Gummah]

This is the stuff where libs remain speechless.

It fries their liberal programming.

Third World = Good

Western World = Bad.

Liberals will be the downfall of us all..

[mjfell]

We have to come to grips with the fact that we will not be able to avoid discussing islam in a more complete way.

I mean as a society. If we are to survive as such.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 19, 2008 at 07:08 PM

Ummah---

The battle lines have been clearly drawn. Will slick Barry, the affirmative action president-elect prove his mettle (Joe Biden's words, not mine)? Or will he prove himself to be the scam artist who's h3ll-bent on the destruction of America herself?

[Ummah Gummah]

MJ,

If Obama doesn't know the nature of islam then who does?

What if they hand him the nuclear football and he goes on to hold the Western World hostage to islam with it?

How do we know where his loyalties lie?

It is well-known to those among u who know islam that deception is a legitimate tool of the trade in their mission of global conquest.

Barry could emerge as the last Prophet of islam if he does what they expect him to do.

[mjfell]

California Supreme Court to take up gay marriage ban:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081119/D94I8U1G3.html

The California Supreme Court on Wednesday accepted three lawsuits seeking to overturn Proposition 8. The amendment passed this month with 52 percent of the vote. The court did not elaborate on its decision.

All three cases claim the ban abridges the civil rights of a vulnerable minority group. They argue that voters alone did not have the authority to enact such a significant constitutional change.

Here we go again!

Another chance for liberal activist judges to legislate from the bench against the will of the people.

[Ummah Gummah]

There is slim hope that comments like the one from this Al Qaeda smurf will piss ol' BArry off and he'll be reminded of all the slights and abuse islam hands out to Africans.

All we can do is hope.

[Ummah Gummah]

MJ, if you think these judges are a disgrace now, just wait till four years from now!

[Ummah Gummah]

I just don't understand how MA can be so willfully blind to the social-activism side of things.

Judicial activism is a usurpation of the will of the people.

They've done it time and time again.

And always in favor of liberalism.

[mjfell]

MJ,

If Obama doesn't know the nature of islam then who does?

What if they hand him the nuclear football and he goes on to hold the Western World hostage to islam with it?

How do we know where his loyalties lie?

It is well-known to those among u who know islam that deception is a legitimate tool of the trade in their mission of global conquest.

Barry could emerge as the last Prophet of islam if he does what they expect him to do.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 19, 2008 at 07:20 PM

Ummah---

Agreed. So many Great American Lemmings followed the pied piper, hallucinated by his sing/song message of "change" without even asking what he meant by "change"!

Louis Farrakhan called slick Barry "the Messiah".

[Michael Avari]

Oh for heaven's sake! Literally.

A man is not Muslim because you say he is. Or because his father was this or his mother was that.

A man belongs to the religion he chooses.

It is called faith. Faith comes from free will.

Remember free will? A core Conservative principle?

I need another martini.

[Ummah Gummah]

There's more to Conservatism than fiscal principles!

Would John Wayne go for islam and these related pirate activities?

And yes, they are acting in concert with islamists.

[mjfell]

MJ, if you think these judges are a disgrace now, just wait till four years from now!

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 19, 2008 at 07:23 PM

Ummah---

Believe you me, you're preaching to the choir on this one.

[mjfell]

I just don't understand how MA can be so willfully blind to the social-activism side of things.

Judicial activism is a usurpation of the will of the people.

They've done it time and time again.

And always in favor of liberalism.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | November 19, 2008 at 07:24 PM

Ummah---

Michael's like John McCain, too busy being a gentleman to realize that his own fight is being lost right under his nose.

[Ummah Gummah]

Then check THIS out:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29545

Phoenix Imam Tells Muslims To Disregard U.S. Laws
by Robert Spencer
11/19/20

Article too long to post here so follow the link.

[Ummah Gummah]

Right now moslems are maybe 2% f the US population and look at the trouble they're causing already!

And they are bringing them in by the hundred of thousands more!!

Look at what they've already done to this country in damage!!

It is time we act and retaliate!

[Michael Avari]

It is time we act and retaliate!

- UG

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I know I will regret asking this ...

And just how do you propose to do that?

[Don't do it, Michael. Don't hit that 'post' button.

Darn!]

[Ummah Gummah]

Oh for heaven's sake! Literally.
A man is not Muslim because you say he is. Or because his father was this or his mother was that.
A man belongs to the religion he chooses.
It is called faith. Faith comes from free will.
Remember free will? A core Conservative principle?

I need another martini.
POSTED BY: MICHAEL AVARI | NOVEMBER 19, 2008 AT 07:26 PM

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That's NOT what islam thinks about that! If the father is a moslem so they consider the son.

that's basic islamic doctrine, enshrined into Law both In Afghanistan and in Iraq, by the way of "apostasy laws".

Punishable by death, in case there's any doubt.

[Ummah Gummah]

Michael's like John McCain, too busy being a gentleman to realize that his own fight is being lost right under his nose.
POSTED BY: MJFELL | NOVEMBER 19, 2008 AT 07:28 PM

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Hey, you're preching to both the singer and the choir on that one!

[mjfell]

Oh for heaven's sake! Literally.

A man is not Muslim because you say he is. Or because his father was this or his mother was that.

A man belongs to the religion he chooses.

It is called faith. Faith comes from free will.

Remember free will? A core Conservative principle?

I need another martini.

Posted by: Michael Avari | November 19, 2008 at 07:26 PM

Michael---

What slick Barry, the affirmative action president-elect will do with his free will has yet to be demonstrated for anyone to see.

So far, he's done everything in his power to hide himself.

No birth certificate-
No school records-
Voted "present" how many times????????
Evasion of questions about associations with radicals-

Enjoy your martini...have a couple.

[Ummah Gummah]

Remember free will? A core Conservative principle?

I need another martini.
POSTED BY: MICHAEL AVARI | NOVEMBER 19, 2008 AT 07:26 PM

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Are you REALLY that THICK?!

islam is NOT "conservative"!!

They don't give a sh*t about you and your "conservatism".

All they care is how to take over your country.

That's it.

That's all.

[Ummah Gummah]

I know I will regret asking this ...
And just how do you propose to do that?

[Don't do it, Michael. Don't hit that 'post' button.
Darn!]
POSTED BY: MICHAEL AVARI | NOVEMBER 19, 2008 AT 07:33 PM

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yes you WILL.

Since you hate any form of violence in our defense.. you WILL hate my ideas.

First, we expel this imam and anyone who preaches sedition like he does.

Countries who refuse to take them back are invaded and we drop them off on their beaches.

NO MORE PUSSY FOOTING AROUND!