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gringoman

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: STONEWALL CONTINUES

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:16 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.


The lawsuit, filed by former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip J. Berg — a self-avowed supporter of Hillary Clinton — alleges that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and is thus “ineligible” to run for president of the United States. It demands that Obama’s lawyers produce a copy of his original birth certificate to prove that he is a natural-born U.S. citizen.


Berg's suit and allegations have set off a wave of Internet buzz and rumors, though Obama could easily have put the matter to rest by providing the federal court with the basic documentation proving he is eligible to take the oath of a president. But Obama has apparently decided to deny the court and the public that documentation.


The Constitution provides that any U.S. citizen is eligible to become president if the person is 35 years of age or older and is a natural-born citizen; that is, born in the territorial United States.


By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.

contd./ http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html


Ummahgummah

Problem is: Once he's in who's gonna impeach? Not the unprincipled dhimmicrats..

gringoman

In all probability, no matter how great the proof, in the end, if Obama gets the most votes he will be sworn in. That he will be illegitimate will be a footnote in the nation’s history…in more ways than one.

Posted by: mjfell | October 24, 2008 at 04:29 PM

There might be a little more to it than that as the Obamascam continues to stonewall on legal birth certificate. His fraud might not become a footnote so easily. Here's why.

There is more than one lawsuit challenging the Obama fraud (at least half a dozen in various States, at latest count.) Let's just take what I'd say is the principal one currently---Phillip Berg's suit in Phila.

Judge Surrick's ruling is supposed to come soon. (Some thought it would come today. Looks like it hasn't.)

Now let's assume the worst from Berg's point of view, i.e. (1) this Republican Judge does not rule that Obama is ineligible for POTUS or (2) continues to delay a ruling indefinitely.

Neverthless,

1. The question of Barack being legally qualiffied for POTUS remains, very likely, in the Court of Public Opinion. A man who says he won't produce a legal birth certificate because the legal dudes say he doesn't have to, will tend to raise questions in the public mind of a non-Third World country. The US can still be considered non-Third World as of October 2008.

a. According to Berg, his site, Obamacrimes.com, had 59 million visits over the past five months or so. Divide that by three, for personal repeats, and it's still around 20 million separate individuals. Point: Despite the Obamasuck media's silence, the story is getting out and attracting wide interest. The UN doesn't yet control the Internet.

2. Even if Obama is elected on Nov. 4, the question does not necessarily end. The Electoral college does the official electing. (I forget the exact date, but it's not till some weeks after Nov 4.)

3. Any way you look at it, Berg has some grounds for predicting a Constitutional crisis if Obama is elected.

a. Even if the Obama lawyers manage to beat back the anti-fraud lawyers in a court of law, will they be able to beat back millions of Americans in the Court of Public Opinion?

The Obamascammers will say yes. They will bring out their nice shiny buckets of legal swill to "prove" it. And yes, they know how unlikely it would be for a Pelosi-Reid Congress to impeach Barack Hussein Obama,the scam artist who attained the White House by fraud.

The gringomanic suggestion: Stay tuned. Americans are sometimes unpredictable.


gringoman


BREAKING: OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE, WASHINGTON STATE

Marquis V Reed - WA Sec Of State Wants Proof Of Obama's US Citizenship
by Press Release


A Washington State lawsuit has been filed demanding the WA Sec of State to VERIFY Obama's eligibility to serve before certifying him for the ballot. (See HERE).

5. FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS THAT DEMOSTRATE THE NEED TO PROOF THE CANDIDATE'S MINIMUM CONSTITUTIONAL QUALIFICATION.

5.1. These allegations and statements are not intended to be proof of the status of Mr. Obama's citizenship or lack thereof. That will be determined in the venue of the US District court. The listing of the allegations detailed below are included to demonstrate the reasonable assertion of the need for the Washington State, Secretary of State to reestablish public confidence in the veracity of the electoral process and the obvious need for precertification as to a candidate's meeting the minimum constitutional requirements.

5.2. By the U.S. Constitution, in order to run for office of the President, you must be a "natural born citizen" and you may not hold dual citizenship or multiple citizenships with foreign countries. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1.

5.3. There are questions as to where Obama was actually born; in the United States or abroad but subsequently registered in Hawaii. There are further questions regarding Obama's United States citizenship, if he ever held such, being expatriated and his failure to regain his citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance once he turned eighteen (18) years of age. There are additional questions regarding Obama's multi-citizenships with foreign countries, which he may still maintain. To date, Obama has refused to prove he is qualified under the U.S. Constitution and his eligibility to run as President of the United States despite requests and recent opportunities to do so in Federal Court.

5.4. The "certificate" that Mr. Obama has posted on his official WEB site is a "Certification of Live Birth," and not a "Birth Certificate" from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place.

5.5. Researchers have claimed to have been unable to locate any birthing records in island hospitals for Barak Obama's mother. Mr. Obama has offered none for review.

5.6. Three forensic document experts have published extensive reports claiming that there is evidence of tampering on even the Obama WEB site displayed certificate.

5.7. Numerous Freedom of Information Requests have been sent to Officials in Hawaii with no response from the public officials nor has Mr. Obama granted access for release of the information lending to the concern over the veracity of the attestation on the candidate's application for candidacy for the office of President of the United States.

5.8. The facts are undisputed by Obama that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen however, his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

5.9. Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas there are reports that Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Mr. Barack H. Obama was born in Kenya. Reports further reflect that Mr. Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy. Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen. There are claims of records of a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii, but these have not been released for scrutiny. It is alleged in the Federal trial and is a matter of much general speculation that Mr. Obama's mother was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. It is likely that Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth.

5.10. Regarding the alleged birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, it is variously circulated that Obama's birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Obama has provided no proof of birth from of either of these or any other US based facility. He has made no effort to address these public concerns.

5.11. There are no published or known hospital birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama), Obama's mother. There are only claims of records of a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.

5.12. There is even a Canadian Birth Certificate posted on the Internet in the name of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.; however, the date of birth shows to be August 23, 1961

5.13. At the time of Obama's birth in 1961, Kenya was a British Colony. Subsequently, under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Mr. Barack H. Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. There are no indications or reports that Mr. Obama ever renounced that dual citizenship conferred either by nature of birth or by virtue of his father's Kenyan citizenship. On Mr. Obama's Senate web site, Mr. Obama acknowledges his father holds Kenyan nationality but avoids addressing that that he (Mr. Obama) also held/holds Kenyan nationality.

gringoman

BERG: BARACK OBAMA LIKELY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

(gringoNOTE: Phillip Berg is bringing a lawsuit against Obama in Philly. He also believes that Democratic officials, including Howard Dean, Barack and Michelle Obama, should be indicted for fraud. A "right-wing loon?" Actually, Phillip Berg is a lifelong liberal Democrat and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania.)

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Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam.

When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen.

"If he didn't go through immigration, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said.

Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign.

"I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said.

"I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931

GRINGOBRO DECLARATION: To be Announced


gringoman

READER ON OBAMA'S STONEWALLING OUR CONSTITUTION

(from comments at obamacrimes.com)

Re: Re: Open Comments - Friday October 24th
by LambiesAmerica on Fri 24 Oct 2008 06:17 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Super Sis, I hate to tell you this, but FIRST of all, Mr. BERG is NOT, REPEAT, NOT a "con man" as you have said over and over again. If you would read and learn something, I used to work for a group of attorneys and hon, it is VERY EXPENSIVE to persue ANY legal matter. Second, if you would keep up, you would know that when this issue first came up, McCain proved his Citzenship! He had to go before the SENATE to prove his citzenship because he was born in the Panama Canal. His parents (his dad) was in the military and was STATIONED in PANAMA and he is considered a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN due to being born on a MILITARY BASE! You are DEAD WRONG about McCAIN! HE release EVERYTHING, including his BC, HIS MEDICAL RECORDS, and everything else. McCain has been an open book since the beginning. OBAMA is the one who is stalling. HE is stalling because he cannot prove he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN according to our Constitution and THUS, he hopes this issue will go away. HE could have settled this issue LONG time ago! HE hasn't. PERIOD! FACTCHECK.ORG shows pics of OBAMA CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH (COLB) which is NOT a VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE AT ALL! AND THE VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT PHIL BERG IS SEEKING! And yes, the COLB is a FORGERY! PERIOD! IT has been proven as such and you need to open your eyes and get with the PROGRAM! SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. AND so what if she wants her state to succeed from the UNION. If OBAMA wins the ELECTION, HE STILL HAS TO PROVE HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! THERE ARE 3 QUALIFICATIONS YOU MUST MEET SET FORTH IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION....1. YOU MUST be 35 years of age; 2. You must be a RESIDENT of the U.S.A. for at least 14 years or longer (I believe it is 14 years); and 3. YOU MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Obama does not meet "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" OF THE USA! PERIOD! And by the way, the CONSTITUTION PROVIDES FOR ANYONE BORN ON A MILITARY BASE! Sorry you don't like that....THAT's my friend, IS THE LAW! AND, one other thing, if OBAMA becomes the President.....he will be ILLEGAL. PERIOD. AND, another thing, ALASKA MAY NOT BE THE ONLY STATE THAT WILL SUCEED FROM THE UNION! SEVERAL STATES MAY FOLLOW! So.....KEEP UP, OBOT!! SHEESH! AND, BY THE way, WE ONLY WANT THE TRUTH! OBAMA CAN PROVIDE THAT BY PROVIDING A VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT SO FAR, HE THINKS HE IS ABOVE THE LAW, AND WILL NOT DO SO. ASK YOURSELF WHY! WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING?? AND you are in ERROR about McCAIN! McCAIN HAS RELEASE HIS MEDICAL RECORDS. OBAMA RELEASED A LETTER FROM HIS DOCTOR. McCAIN HAD TO GO BEFORE THE SENATE AFTER RELEASING HIS BIRTH CERTICATE AND HE PROVED HE IS A US CITIZEN. OBAMA.....STALL, STALL, STALL! WHY? HE CANNOT PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN KENYA! END OF STORY! GOT IT NOW?
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gringoman

OBAMA STONEWALL: WASHINGTON STATE

Contact: Steve Marquis
Email Address: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org
Web site address: http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvo...plesvoice.html

Averting a Crisis in Confidence; Citizen files Lawsuit Against Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed demanding verification of Barack Obama’s citizenship status.

Seattle WA. 10/9/2008 — Steven Marquis, a resident of Fall City WA today filed suit in Washington State Superior Court against Secretary of State Sam Reed demanding verification of Barack Obama’s citizenship status.

The complaint seeks specifically that the office of the Washington Secretary of State verify and certify that Mr. Obama is or is not a "natural born" citizen by producing original or certified verifiable official documents. The lawsuit argues that this certification should take place before the election to preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest should such certification, after the election, prove that Mr. Obama was not qualified for office.

The Complaint argues that the Secretary of State has the authority and duty to not only certify the voters but also and most importantly the candidates and in so doing prevent the wholesale disenfranchisement of voters who would had had an opportunity to choose from qualified candidates had the certification preceded the election process.

At this point, Mr. Obama has not allowed independent or official access to his birth records nor supporting hospital records. The Hawaii Health Department has violated Federal law by ignored formal Freedom of Information requests for the same. Do to the facts and numerous other allegations that would challenge Mr. Obama’s fundamental qualifications for office, a Federal lawsuit was filed and is currently being heard in District Court, Pennsylvania.

Mr. Obama failed to respond to the District Court’s request to produce or allow access to the official documents (should they exist) and instead filed a motion to dismiss arguing the Plaintiff had no “standing” or right to know. This non-response as of 9/24/2008 in Federal court casts doubt on the veracity of the electoral system and is the principal reason for this lawsuit. The late entry of this suit is due in principal part to Mr. Obama’s delay and subsequent non response to reasonable request for valid certificates. Multiple requests for early certification to the Office of the Secretary of State has been rejected.

The Washington Secretary of State Office is specifically charged with certifying and guaranteeing the veracity of official documents and overseeing the elections to wit the people’s confidence in the fundamental aspect of democracy is maintained. To date, in this regard, Secretary of State Sam Reed has not carried out that fundamental duty.

This lawsuit demands injunctive relief directing Sam Reed, Secretary of State, carry out the duty of his office in this regard answering the formal complaints for verification of Mr. Obama and any other candidate appearing on the ballots issues through his office for which formal complaints have been received.
Yes We Can!...Not provide a birth certificate.

Christian Drappi

Hey, can y'all just summarize the timeline of Berg v. Obama and the percent chance that this will affect the election - and if it does fall through, is Biden the candidate or is the Democrat Party to announce a new candidate?

mjfell

A man who says he won't produce a legal birth certificate because the legal dudes say he doesn't have to, will tend to raise questions in the public mind of a non-Third World country. The US can still be considered non-Third World as of October 2008.

Posted by: gringoman | October 24, 2008 at 09:36 PM

gringoman--

With the current rate of unchecked illegal immigration there are pockets of this country that are already like third world countries and getting worse every day. An Obama election will mean broad, sweeping amnesty for millions of people who have no right to be here taking jobs away from Americans and driving down wages!

mjfell

McCAIN HAD TO GO BEFORE THE SENATE AFTER RELEASING HIS BIRTH CERTICATE AND HE PROVED HE IS A US CITIZEN. OBAMA.....STALL, STALL, STALL! WHY? HE CANNOT PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN KENYA! END OF STORY! GOT IT NOW?

Posted by: gringoman | October 24, 2008 at 10:25 PM

gringoman--

For any left wing lunatics who still persist in bringing up the McCain/citizen issue:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/judge_tosses_suit_claiming_mccain_is_not_a_citizen/

Ummahgummah

An Obama election will mean broad, sweeping amnesty for millions of people who have no right to be here taking jobs away from Americans and driving down wages!

POSTED BY: MJFELL

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Remember Enoch Powell and the Rivers of Blood he prophecied..

So let's hope this doesn't happen.

But if it does. there will be legal challenges no doubt.

Otherwise BhO could just give his entire home nation of Kenya the right to vote if you know what I mean..

mjfell

Barney Frank calls for 25% cut in military spending:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/NEWS/810240332/-1/NEWS10

Obviously Rep. Frank thinks the votes have already been counted.

mjfell

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101

Does anyone still doubt that an Obama Presidency will be aggressivly oppressive toward his critics?

Ummahgummah

I don't think even the libs doubt that. The ghosts they have called now threaten to devour all.

GilbertWashington

Loonies: Instead of following right-wing synchophants with little in the way of sheepskin and less behind the ears, why not follow the actual court proceedings?:

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

Not as sexy, huh. By the way the Berg case is done on Monday, Tuesday if judge takes Monday off.. it's over.

You cartoons should look carefully at the complaint filed by Berg (yes, it's in English and Bobo can assist in any of the polysyllabic words) and then look over what you have been posting here.
Come Wednesday, Bobo will swear he never posted any of this stuff.
It's over.

mjfell

So let's hope this doesn't happen.

But if it does. there will be legal challenges no doubt.

Otherwise BhO could just give his entire home nation of Kenya the right to vote if you know what I mean..

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 25, 2008 at 02:09 AM

Ummah--

It will be the saddest day in U.S. history when Obama's critics are herded up and put in camps in order to make room for the masses of non-documented immigrant workers, saved from unjust expulsion attempts by the evil right?

Brrrrrr.

Ummahgummah

That wouldn't surprise me one bit, MJ.

Something wicked this way cometh.

Ummahgummah

The police will be "just following orders".

Or will they hear a dissonant echo from decades past?

Nah, families to take care of.. gotta do what ya gotta do..

GilbertWashington

MJFELL is precient as to post-election retribution:

"Does anyone still doubt that an Obama Presidency will be aggressivly oppressive toward his critics?"

I know a couple of self-inflated windbag gaffers who have been messing with the pentagon and some their officers reputations who will be looking for some new diggs.
The state when it sets it mind to things can bankrupt you in a NY minute.
Obama said he would fight back and I have it on good authority that means after Jan 20. Counsel has been hired. Obama is said to have been obsessed with the swiftboating in the last campaign and as a constitutional law professer understands well that hearsay is no defense to actual defamation with malice.
Some will succumb to playing loose with the tax code. Some will find professional licenses revolked. Others will find themselves charged and harassed.
The best of them, Corsi for one, will be dragged out and frogged marched on TV.
I have heard that Colin Powell went ballastic when he heard Rush Limbaugh state 4 consecutive times that the Powell endorsement was based on race. He's pissed and so is O.

I am glad you raised this MJ. Hoover used to help Eisenhower. Kennedy actually had a few guys dispatched for whispering about Marilyn. Johnson & Nixon would tear at every financial transaction you ever made if you crossed them. Then they'd leave you alone after you were flat broke from defending yourself.
You'll be surprised how hard Obama will go after the loonie right internet. You think his campaign was well funded and organised. He has an army of shock troops who plan to raise holy hell.
Should be fun to watch.

Ummahgummah

I presume there's nothing very urgent going on so should BhO win the election he'll have plenty of time on his hands to go after the dissenters.

All of us who'll be using what little time we have left to say: WE TOLD YOU SO!

Two future KKKommissars are already sitting here like the vultures they are.

I hope they will treat Mr. Avari with "civility".

He's just a bean counter and he means no harm.


mjfell

I presume there's nothing very urgent going on so should BhO win the election he'll have plenty of time on his hands to go after the dissenters.

All of us who'll be using what little time we have left to say: WE TOLD YOU SO!

Two future KKKommissars are already sitting here like the vultures they are.

I hope they will treat Mr. Avari with "civility".

He's just a bean counter and he means no harm.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 25, 2008 at 02:53 AM

Ummah--

Those who aren't found and shipped off to camps will be standing in soup lines waiting for relief from the Obama tax policy caused Great Depression II.

mjfell

That wouldn't surprise me one bit, MJ.

Something wicked this way cometh.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 25, 2008 at 02:40 AM

Ummah--

Wicked? You have no idea. Thank God the framers of the Constitution passed the Bill of Rights and guaranteed citizens the right to bear arms. Obama wants to march on the folks in Pennsylvania who express their anger by clinging to their guns and religion? He thought invading Iraq was a bad idea and that the surge would never work? Wait until he tries invading his own country.

mjfell

When it comes down to civil war I'll take the gun carrying, God fearing "rednecks" over white wine sipping San Francisco sissies anyday!

Ummahgummah

Wait until he tries invading his own country.

POSTED BY: MJFELL

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You mean Kenya?

//sarc off

FK

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample MoE Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 10/16 - 10/24 -- -- 50.4 42.6 Obama +7.8
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby 10/22 - 10/24 1203 LV 2.9 51 42 Obama +9
Newsweek 10/22 - 10/23 882 LV 4.0 53 41 Obama +12
Rasmussen Reports 10/21 - 10/23 3000 LV 2.0 52 45 Obama +7
Gallup (Traditional)* 10/21 - 10/23 2406 LV 2.0 50 45 Obama +5
Gallup (Expanded)* 10/21 - 10/23 2365 LV 2.0 51 44 Obama +7
Hotline/FD 10/21 - 10/23 766 LV 3.5 50 43 Obama +7
ABC News/Wash Post 10/20 - 10/23 1321 LV 2.5 53 44 Obama +9
GWU/Battleground 10/19 - 10/23 1000 LV 3.1 49 46 Obama +3
IBD/TIPP 10/19 - 10/23 1008 LV 3.0 46 42 Obama +4
CBS News/NY Times 10/19 - 10/22 771 LV -- 52 39 Obama +13
FOX News 10/20 - 10/21 936 LV 3.0 49 40 Obama +9
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/17 - 10/20 1159 RV 2.9 52 42 Obama +10
Associated Press/GfK 10/16 - 10/20 800 LV 3.5 44 43 Obama +1
Ipsos/McClatchy 10/16 - 10/20 773 LV 3.5 50 42 Obama +8
CNN/Opinion Research 10/17 - 10/19 764 LV 3.5 51 46 Obama +5
Pew Research 10/16 - 10/19 2382 LV 2.5 53 39 Obama +14

Truther

Without a valid birth certificate, the situation is unfair to people who are more honorable-- such as Arnold Schwarzenegger. The actual problem is the fear that the president would favor a foreign population over his/her own. I guess we would have to ask ourselves if this is sensible in a globalized world.

I suspect Bush, by virtue of acts of omission, is actually Chinese; or possibly an Arab. Could a suspicion regarding his genealogy have been the reason for his earlier alcoholism?

gringoman

Ummah--

It will be the saddest day in U.S. history when Obama's critics are herded up and put in camps in order to make room for the masses of non-documented immigrant workers, saved from unjust expulsion attempts by the evil right?

Brrrrrr.

Posted by: mjfell | October 25, 2008 at 02:24 AM

Which American police and military will carry out that order? How many legions does the "patriot" Colin Powell command today?

Will even the legalniki rush to obey the first illegal President in US history, one who holds office by calculated fraud on the US Constitution?

gringoman

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT BY GRINGOBRO. To be Announced.

gringoman

Without a valid birth certificate, the situation is unfair to people who are more honorable-- such as Arnold Schwarzenegger. The actual problem is the fear that the president would favor a foreign population over his/her own. I guess we would have to ask ourselves if this is sensible in a globalized world.

I suspect Bush, by virtue of acts of omission, is actually Chinese; or possibly an Arab. Could a suspicion regarding his genealogy have been the reason for his earlier alcoholism?

Posted by: Truther | October 25, 2008 at 10:32 AM

The actual problem for Obama is the Constitution. Whether the Constitution is "sensible" or not is for the people and their lawmakers to decide.

Bush genealogy could be eskimo. Wouldn't matter. US law is US law. A President has to be natural born. A law grad is supposed to understand that,especially from Harvard, even if Saudi and other non-infidels got him there.

gringoman

I hope they will treat Mr. Avari with "civility".

He's just a bean counter and he means no harm.


Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 25, 2008 at 02:53 AM

Ummah,

Don't you think that both Michael and White Lib Spammer would be given the opportunity to convert?

The latter likely would accept and be willing to scrub urinals for friendly Imam and/or Kommissar (whichever survives after the Great Purge.)

What would Michael do? Would they have any use for token remnants of the 'Christian conservative' type?

What happened in Vietnam and Cambodia, after the libs in Washington tossed them to the "anti-imperialists" is instructive. Also different. The Khmer Rouge were less sophisticated and more primitive.

J. Pierpont Finch

Seeing ignorant politicians and pundits calling for a 25% cut in our military budget and calling for the elimination of tax benefits from 401K Plans leads me to conclude that we the people are about to re-learn the lesson that with the Socialist system where government owns and centrally controls the means of production, we all end up dependant on government, the government pretends to pay, and government employees (all of us) pretend to work. This was the case with the Soviet Union's 60 year experiment. This is the case in Cuba and other socialist countries.

Yes we will all be entitled to healthcare, but it will be substandard care.

With central planning, there will be shortages and food lines as occurred in the Soviet Union.

We are just starting to see the impact of a Tsunami of ignorance produced by our failing education institutions that are more like inductrination brainwashing camps these days.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will guard the guardians?)
- Plato, "The Republic" (question to Socrates)


gringoman

Joe 'scared for America' after talking to Obama
Joseph Curl
Saturday, October 25, 2008

Joe the Plumber all but came out of the water closet for Sen. John McCain on Friday, saying that his famous exchange with Sen. Barack Obama made him "scared for America" and that he doesn't trust the Democratic presidential candidate on taxes.

The plumber, aka Joe Wurzelbacher, burst into the headlines after he buttonholed Mr. Obama less than two weeks ago during a campaign stop in his Holland, Ohio, neighborhood and quizzed him about his tax policy. On Friday, he said that he wasn't impressed by the Illinois senator in their encounter.

"When I was face to face with him, my honest first impression was that I expected something more. I had heard so much about 'his presence' in the media that I was surprised to find that he seemed very average," Mr. Wurzelbacher wrote in a live online chat on WashingtonTimes.com (read the transcript with Mr. Wurzelbacher here).

"My gut feeling as he answered my questions? I was scared for America," he wrote in response to a reader who asked "When you were face to face with Obama, what were you thinking and how did it feel?"

Mr. Wurzelbacher, arguably the world's most famous plumber, has become a cornerstone of Mr. McCain's Republican campaign, which had embarked on a statewide blitz across Florida in a series of "Joe the Plumber" events aimed at blue-collar workers.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/25/obama-makes-joe-plumber-scared-america/

Michael Avari

UG, Gringoman,

Having fun?

I am not a bean counter, and I am not a 'Christian Conservative' if by that you mean the type of evangelicals or born-again Christians.

I am not a compassionate Conservative, bleeding heart Conservative, neo-Conservative, traditional Conservative, Republican Conservative, or anything else but Conservative. Period. I am also a Christian. Also Period.

Gringoman, I would expect such name calling from UG, but from you? Labelling people instead of understanding their thoughts, interests, and motivations is why others think of the right increasingly as wingnuts. Before Buckley sprang on the scene with "God and Man at Yale" and the National Review, the country thought the John Birch Society to represented "Conservatism". The use of quotes in intentional, as Buckley called the Birch gratuituous accusations "idiotic libel".

Be careful not to take us back to that dark era. We have come a long way since then but have lost our way only recently, only slightly. We can bring back intellectually based, civil, American Conservatism by working hard.

Insulting people is not working hard. Doing it behind a pseudonym and the anonymity of the Internet is cowardly.

Ummahgummah

Tell it to the liEb-ops, M.AveriCK.

Michael Avari

Here is Fred Smith, founder and Chairman of FedEx on why "Washington is the Problem":

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122488966230768509.html

The upshot:
- Our business tax structure encouraged and encourages capital and talent flight from the manufacturing and services sectors to financial services. We must reverse that attraction.

- Business taxes must be cut, the US corproate rate is 38%, whereas in Germany it is 25%.

- We must explore every option for energy independence in the US.

Ummahgummah

In an age where Western governments have allowed in a deluge of moslems it is prudent to write in anonymity when one is writing about islam.

The trail of victims they have produced here and in Europe especially should give a clue.

Get it MA.

You SOWdi apologist boot licker.

Michael Avari

Excellent synopsis on the difference between the candidate's tax plans:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122488938501868507.html


Conclusion: if Obama wins, hold on to your wallets.

FK

Battleground States Obama McCain Spread
Colorado 51.3 44.8 Obama +6.5
Ohio 49.9 43.8 Obama +6.1
Florida 47.8 45.6 Obama +2.2
Nevada 49.3 46.0 Obama +3.3
Missouri 48.0 45.3 Obama +2.7
North Carolina 48.6 47.6 Obama +1.0
Virginia 51.5 44.5 Obama +7.0

FK

Michael --

The wingnuts are unbearable. I am surprised you still have patience for them.

Michael Avari

UG, I doubt you are a strategic target. However if you are captured I can see how you might be a poster boy for Islamic propaganda.

Michael Avari

Fred,

They don't bother me. I have patience because I believe in what I am doing.

It took 40 years between Goldwater and Reagan. But during that time we were gradually winning the country over with ideas.

Cheers,

gringoman

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

Michael Avari

Peggy Noonan, first lady of graciousness, on the election:

"43% Isn't Nothing: Obama looks like a winner, but it's not over yet."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122479936986464521.html


mjfell

OBAMA STAFFERS PULL THEIR BOGUS OHIO BALLOTS:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10252008/news/politics/bam_staffers_pull_their_bogus_ohio_ballo_135152.htm

Clearly there's no voter fraud going on in this election...yeah, right

Ummahgummah

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

MICAHEL OVARI!! I AM CALLING YOU OUT!! STOP ENTERTAINING THE LIBS!!!

Ummahgummah

Gringoman, you notice the whitelib is complaining to his pal MA how unbearable us "wingnuts" are.

I find the Dailykooks and their ilk unberable which is why I seek refuge on MonIcamemo and Michele Malkin and Jihadwatch where there's some common sense.

But it is the libs who insist on following us with their slime and then they complain when they don;t get the red carpet.

SHAME ON U MICHAEL OVARI FOR MAKING THEM COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU SHOULD BE ON OUR SIDE!!

FOR SHAME!!

mjfell

Obama vs. His Advisers:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122488864905768469.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

Maybe Mr. Obama should be running attack ads against his own economic guru.

mjfell

Gringoman, you notice the whitelib is complaining to his pal MA how unbearable us "wingnuts" are.

I find the Dailykooks and their ilk unberable which is why I seek refuge on MonIcamemo and Michele Malkin and Jihadwatch where there's some common sense.

But it is the libs who insist on following us with their slime and then they complain when they don;t get the red carpet.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah | October 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Ummah--

It has gotten pretty ridiculous, and you definitely have a point.

I liken it to swimming in a public pool. Nice clean refreshing water...until you get to the liberal end, where they're all peeing in the pool and makeing the water unbearably toxic.

Michael Avari

UG - you are joking, right?

I have no shame in speaking with a fellow American. None.

In fact, just the contrary.

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