Senator Clueless

Russia seeks to nail back together its old empire. It begins with economic extortion of its former Soviet satellite states and the "captive nations" of Eastern Europe, and then moves to the old-fashioned but still effective use of force. The Russian invasion of the young democratic and pro-western state of Georgia demonstrates Russia's expansionist ambitions, authoritarian unaccountability, and brute violence. In other words, not much there has changed.

Barack Obama hopes to spread his smiley face of "hope" and "change" around the world. His initial statement on the crisis was painful in its naivete and dangerous in its moral equivalence. "Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint and to avoid an escalation to full-scale war," he said.

Gales of laughter in Moscow. Eye-rolling in Tblisi. The Junior Senator from Illinois recommends that peace is better than war. A true profile in courage.

The idiocy of this must have dawned on someone in Team Obama, because shortly thereafter, he began to firm up his rhetoric and actually put the blame for the Russian invasion of tiny, democratic Georgia on Russia. Going out on a limb there, Barack.

Today, Obama began his public statement on the crisis by greeting the press corps with a jaunty, "Hi guys!" Schmoozing with the journalists remains paramount, even in the face of an international blow-up.

More importantly, Obama's utter lack of experience and even interest in Russia and its "near abroad" has surfaced in two ways.

First, he took a trip to Russia in 2005 in order to talk to Vladimir Putin about decommissioning Russian nuclear weapons. The Kremlin is still laughing at that one. Of course, that doesn't stop Obama from wanting to decommission AMERICA'S nuclear arsenal. To set an example, of course. More laughter from Moscow.

Second, for the past year and a half, Obama has been the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs. And guess what? He's never held a policy hearing. No meetings, no witnesses, no testimony, no nothing. This is why Obama himself is a "know-nothing" on what is turning out to be a central issue for the United States, our allies, and for the campaign. But Senator Clueless never bothered to take an interest in Europe or Russia. He just wants your kids to speak Spanish and for you to refrain from visiting Europe to keep our "ugly American" quotient down.

Obama is woefully, painfully unprepared to deal with a crisis of this magnitude. He's in so far over his head that McCain doesn't even need to point it out. It's abundantly obvious to anyone watching Obama speak on the subject. It's most certainly obvious to the Kremlin, which is having some side-splitting guffaws listening to him.

Obama's idol, John F. Kennedy, was a tough cold warrior. He knew the Russians, he knew what their ambitions were, he was well aware of their brutal and cunning tactics, and he checkmated them wherever they sought to advance. Jack Kennedy made a lot of mistakes as president but none because he was a naif on Russia.

Senator Obama: we knew Jack Kennedy, and you, sir, are no Jack Kennedy.

Comments

[Ummahgummah]

While I agree that Hussein Obama is clueless I don't think that Russia is 100% wrong to take care of business in its own backyard.

And the way we've been rubbing it in since their Afghanistan adventure is something they aren't like to forget very soon.

Georgia was pulling a Sudeten of sorts and Russia was happy to move in.

Maybe we should have preserved Serbia's territorial integrity before crying so loud over Georgia.

[FK]

I will try to be respectful of Monica Crowley, since anytime I criticize her Ummah and Gringoman accuse me of misogyny.

But she is way off here. JFK was indeed a naif when it came to the Soviet Union. His response to the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and his initial meeting with Khrushchev emboldened the Soviet premier, leading to the Cuban Missile Crisis -- the one major foreign policy situation that most can agree JFK handled very well.

Also . . . where does Ms. Crowley get her information that JFK is Obama's idol? I'm not so sure that's true, and I've never heard it before.

[SteveOk]

Senator Clueless believes it is more important to go to Berlin and make the Europeans feel good about America again, that's his strategic objective in foreign policy. He doesn't care what is going on in Iran or Russia, as long as the French and Germans are happy with us.

His idiotic misunderstanding of who the aggressor is in this conflict is absolutely shocking. For a Presidential candidate to not recognize that fact initially should, at long last, expose his inexperience and incompetence to the leftwing media. How can they cover up for him any longer?

[FK]

Steveok --

Could you be more specific?

Who is the "aggressor" that he misunderstands? What is "this conflict" to which you are referring?

[gringoman]

Fred's idiocy re criticizing Monica is, of course, no more worthy of taking seriously than is the Chicago Machine's "community organizer" Barack Obama as a "statesman."

F is unable to draw a distinction between serious criticism and his manner of hitting Monica like a street punk. Yes, he's improved a little, lately. Why not? He knows that otherwise he'll get his sick dumbkopf knocked again by Ummah or me. And good.

He claims to have an advanced degree. He just won't say if it's in Jerkology. Are there any other possibilities?

[gringoman]

Fred's idiocy re criticizing Monica is, of course, no more worthy of taking seriously than is the Chicago Machine's "community organizer" Barack Obama as a "statesman."

F is unable to draw a distinction between serious criticism and his manner of hitting Monica like a street punk. Yes, he's improved a little, lately. Why not? He knows that otherwise he'll get his sick dumbkopf knocked again by Ummah or me. And good.

He claims to have an advanced degree. He just won't say if it's in Jerkology. Are there any other possibilities?

[FK]

This is an example of an unwarranted attack by Gringo. I have criticized Monica Crowley above without stepping over any invisible lines that might offend his pristine sensibilities, and yet he still sees fit to attack me. And then he makes a threat about getting my "dumbkopf knocked again".

How about actually engaging in dialogue so we don't have to get into a street fight, Gringo? Can you do that?

And here we go again about my degree. I've explained my reference to my degree what seems like a million times, but for the benefit of any newcomers . . .

Quite a while ago, someone argued that Bush was qualified to be president because he had an Ivy League degree. I merely responded that I also have an Ivy League degree, and inquired if that made me qualified to be president. I was not bragging. I was actually arguing that having an Ivy League degree is NOT enough to make you presidential material.

Since then, some contributors to this blog (including Gringo) like to mention how I brought up my degree as if I'm some kind of braggart, completely ignoring the reason why I mentioned it. So I end up repeating this boring story again and again.

Quite frankly, the presence of contributors like Gringo and Ummah bring this blog down. Has anyone noticed that some people who made intelligent contributions to this blog have just plain disappeared? Like Michael Avari?

You say I've "improved lately", Gringo. If you really think that, how about allowing that "improvement" to continue, instead of trying to get me into an absurd battle with you? I'm willing to go either way, but I actually prefer to engage in dialogue.

[gringoman]

Okay, now for some critique of Monica's position, (which devious Liberal Jerk tries to imply is not welcome here.)

Monica, I won't waste any time on what we more or less agree on: The Anointed Community Organizer who has very little to contribute except his skin color.

However, having graduated from the romance of JFK and Camelot, I'm no longer hostage to the rose-colored nostalgia. I knew that excitement, and don't need the illusion anymore.

If you really think Kennedy was tough as a real Russian, you must have missed the chilling description of his famous meeting with Krushchev. Secret files have been released. The account was published by two very credible American scholars in WAPO or the NYT fairly recently. The Russians are not American Idol groupies. They were no more impressed with Jack Kennedy than the terrorists and insurgents in Baghdad were with the elite yuppies that Georgie Bush sent to "shape up the place" after the US military's amazing Shock and Awe drive to Baghdad that ousted Saddam Hussein.

The danger, as gringoVision sees it today, is that Americans have become so beholden to politically correct illusions and straightjackets, that not even the slightly more realistic Republicans can look reality straight in the eye. The Russians and Chinese can, or least more so than Americans.

So let's cut to the chase here, even though this can go on and on.

The US miscalculated with the Russians. That led to the most dangerous nuclear confrontation ever, over the Cuban Missile Crisis. The levelest heads know how close it got to Armageddon.

If it helps to think that JFK's "toughness" saved the day, keeping the folks from realizing that his ineptness (and not just the Bay of Pigs fiasco) helped to bring us to the brink, go ahead, my Dear. But that crisis was resolved not by the folk-tale of the Russians simply backing down from the "tough" JFK. Sorry, Monica. It was a good old horse trade. The Russians removed the missiles AFTER if it was clear that they'd get what they wanted: The removal of US missiles from Turkey.

Want to speculate on some possibilities re US missiles now very, very close to Russia? Or do you think, like Washington does, that Russia--unlike the Free Trader's China-- is more useful as a semi-lackey than as a willing partner?

Here is something from Soviet Premier Nikita Krushchev to President JOhn F. Kennedy.

Do you believe that you have the right to demand security for your country and the removal of such weapons that you qualify as offensive, while not recognizing this right for us?

[gringoman]

Okay, now for some critique of Monica's position, (which devious Liberal Jerk tries to imply is not welcome here.)

Monica, I won't waste any time on what we more or less agree on: The Anointed Community Organizer who has very little to contribute except his skin color.

However, having graduated from the romance of JFK and Camelot, I'm no longer hostage to the rose-colored nostalgia. I knew that excitement, and don't need the illusion anymore.

If you really think Kennedy was tough as a real Russian, you must have missed the chilling description of his famous meeting with Krushchev. Secret files have been released. The account was published by two very credible American scholars in WAPO or the NYT fairly recently. The Russians are not American Idol groupies. They were no more impressed with Jack Kennedy than the terrorists and insurgents in Baghdad were with the elite yuppies that Georgie Bush sent to "shape up the place" after the US military's amazing Shock and Awe drive to Baghdad that ousted Saddam Hussein.

The danger, as gringoVision sees it today, is that Americans have become so beholden to politically correct illusions and straightjackets, that not even the slightly more realistic Republicans can look reality straight in the eye. The Russians and Chinese can, or least more so than Americans.

So let's cut to the chase here, even though this can go on and on.

The US miscalculated with the Russians. That led to the most dangerous nuclear confrontation ever, over the Cuban Missile Crisis. The levelest heads know how close it got to Armageddon.

If it helps to think that JFK's "toughness" saved the day, keeping the folks from realizing that his ineptness (and not just the Bay of Pigs fiasco) helped to bring us to the brink, go ahead, my Dear. But that crisis was resolved not by the folk-tale of the Russians simply backing down from the "tough" JFK. Sorry, Monica. It was a good old horse trade. The Russians removed the missiles AFTER if it was clear that they'd get what they wanted: The removal of US missiles from Turkey.

Want to speculate on some possibilities re US missiles now very, very close to Russia? Or do you think, like Washington does, that Russia--unlike the Free Trader's China-- is more useful as a semi-lackey than as a willing partner?

Here is something from Soviet Premier Nikita Krushchev to President JOhn F. Kennedy.

Do you believe that you have the right to demand security for your country and the removal of such weapons that you qualify as offensive, while not recognizing this right for us?

[Ummahgummah]

Fred there's a difference between criticizing and insulting someone.

For u libs they might be the same.

Which explains why u r all so thin-skinned.

Like Senator clueless, for example :-)

[Ummahgummah]

Gringo- IMHO "community organizer" = honky shaker-downer.

somehow I don't think the Russians play that way .

[Ummahgummah]

libs make life in USA more and more impossible. From the time to move to Brazil news desk:

FCC seeks to expand Unfairness Doctrine into the internet:

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080812160747.aspx

[M/M]

Also . . . where does Ms. Crowley get her information that JFK is Obama's idol? I'm not so sure that's true, and I've never heard it before.

Posted by: FredK2929 | August 12, 2008 at 04:36 PM
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Fred,

Maybe Monica is getting her information from the Obama campaign who, before turning him into "The Messiah", tried to portray him as the next JFK. Around the time when Ted and Caroline Kennedy endorsed him, there were pictures of Obama, Michelle and his daughters that made people think of Obama as the next JFK. Or maybe it is this op-ed that Caroline Kennedy wrote for NYT called "A President Like My Father".

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27kennedy.html

[Ummahgummah]

Here's some excerpts from the article above:

There’s a huge concern among conservative talk radio hosts that reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine would all-but destroy the industry due to equal time constraints. But speech limits might not stop at radio. They could even be extended to include the Internet and “government dictating content policy.”

And there's more..

“I think the fear is that somehow large corporations will censor their content, their points of view, right,” McDowell said. “I think the bigger concern for them should be if you have government dictating content policy, which by the way would have a big First Amendment problem.”

“Then, whoever is in charge of government is going to determine what is fair, under a so-called ‘Fairness Doctrine,’ which won’t be called that – it’ll be called something else,” McDowell said. “So, will Web sites, will bloggers have to give equal time or equal space on their Web site to opposing views rather than letting the marketplace of ideas determine that?”

As if that weren't enough already.. the Pelonasis have more in store:

McDowell told BMI the Fairness Doctrine isn’t currently on the FCC’s radar. But a new administration and Congress elected in 2008 might renew Fairness Doctrine efforts, but under another name.

“The Fairness Doctrine has not been raised at the FCC, but the importance of this election is in part – has something to do with that,” McDowell said. “So you know, this election, if it goes one way, we could see a re-imposition of the Fairness Doctrine. There is a discussion of it in Congress. I think it won’t be called the Fairness Doctrine by folks who are promoting it. I think it will be called something else and I think it’ll be intertwined into the net neutrality debate.”

A recent study by the Media Research Center’s Culture & Media Institute argues that the three main points in support of the Fairness Doctrine – scarcity of the media, corporate censorship of liberal viewpoints, and public interest – are myths.

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So they're going to 're-brand' the 'Fairness Doctrine' just the way they did 'Global Warming'.

Yep, and guess who must get elected to make this a reality?!

You know d@mn well the thin-skinned One who can't take criticism will be only too glad to shut you all up.

Once and for all.

[Ummahgummah]

Funny that the Obama-JFK angle should have escaped Fred.

He seems like an avid New Duranty Times reader.

The Kennedy 2.0 theme was all over the media for a bit when he got the various Kennedy fam endorsements.

Intelligent people should take those endorsements as a clue to vote for ANYBODY BUT.

[naijaman]

Oh wow...how exciting...yet another anti-Obama wail-a-thon from Monica "Obama-is-actually-an arab" Crowley.
Yawn.

[Ummahgummah]

Naija, you bailed right in the middle of the †urkey vs. Switzerland game debate!

What happened..?

Enquiring minds ya know..

[Ummahgummah]

If I didn't have a pretty good idea before I think I now know where your sympathies are, Najisman.

[FK]

You guys are pretty thin-skinned, too.

And now show me where OBAMA says that JFK was his idol, not where someone else said something like that.

[Ummahgummah]

Oh, AAAre we now, sweetie?!

[Truther]

Look, let me weigh in here (How's that for punditology?).

JFK and the Russians worked out problems in the background : through the mob. That is why the CIA thought he was a commie lover. Actually, the mob formed a sort of nonidealogical universal political entity, not unlike the current globalistas. Their actions in public were just for show, thank God - looking tough in front of their peers.

Fred, I believe, although I am unsure, that Monica was referring to his talking in Berlin, in imitation of JFK. In this she is comparing Obama to Potatoe man - Dan Quayle (sometimes she rises to the resourcefulness of Tokyo Rose ).

I am a little remiss about all the goings on in Georgia. This tit for tat jousting around, this army for that army, this finance system versus that finance system, has not been beneficial to the Georgians. Rather than a clash of ideologies, what the Georgians need is leadership they can rely on, Who were these intrepid Georgian leaders? They surely were quick to place their money under the care of US hedge fund managers. At least this shows their hearts are in the right place.

We would help our cause if we resisted the excesses of capitalism, which is partly what ignited the Russian revolution in the first place.

[FK]

Yeah, Ummah, you are. If you weren't, you wouldn't feel such a need to resort to constant insults. It's indicative of your mental problems.

[M/M]

Actually this guy is Obama's idol. Don't forget about Reverend Wright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo

[SteveOk]

(TimesOnline):Far from being angel-voiced, it seems Miaoke was simply angel-faced, as it emerged that she did not sing a note.

The real singer was Yang Peiyi, a seven-year-old deemed not pretty enough to be the face of China’s most watched moment in history.

Chubby-cheeked with crooked teeth, she was substituted at the eleventh hour by Communist Party officials desperate to present the best possible image of Chinese youth to a curious world.
--------------------------------------------
Unbelievable. What kind of animalistic country would tell a 7 year old girl she wasn't cute enough to appear at the Opening Ceremonies but they would use her voice and substitute another cuter girl? It is sick beyond belief.

[SteveOk]

(Fred):Steveok --

Could you be more specific?

Who is the "aggressor" that he misunderstands? What is "this conflict" to which you are referring?
-------------------------------------------
Fred, fyi, Russia invaded the independent and free country of Georgia the other day, duh. Did you read Barack H. Obama's initial response? He called on BOTH countries to give peace a chance. He obviously didn't understand who the aggressor was and doesn't understand the threat that Russia is now posing.

[FK]

I'm aware of what's going on. I'm merely asking you to be more specific when you talk about what you contend are Obama's inadequacies. You referred to Iran, as well, so your statement about the "aggressor" and "this conflict" was ambiguous.

Nice use of the word "duh" though. I think I stopped saying that in about fourth grade.

[Michael Avari]

I fully agree with Fred on the points he makes about JFK and the cold war.

Fred, you are spot on accurate in your observations.

Regards,

[FK]

Thanks, Michael.

Strangely enough, Gringoman also agrees with me, but he can't even agree with me without throwing out unwarranted insults.

[gringoman]

Strangely enough, Gringoman also agrees with me, but he can't even agree with me without throwing out unwarranted insults.

Posted by: FredK2929 | August 13, 2008 at 09:25 AM

Michael is not around here intensively enough (no doubt having more important things to do)to get a fair idea of why Fred is seen as a devious (and disingenuous) jerk.

Fred, would you like some cheese with that whine? How about limburger instead of Swiss, despite your well-established taste for holes. Think of the odor. Your posts indicate that you often do.

[Ummahgummah]

Yep. FreaK is quite insidious the way he throws in his digs about not wanting to have insults thrown about.

He had no problem with that when it was only him doing the insulting.

Just like Barak Hussein Obama who feels he should be the only one playing the race card.

And yes, MM, we DO remember the "rev": Wrong!

Too bad I'm not running the McCain campaign.

I was shoked when the media complained about the Willie Horton ad back in 88 once I found out it was based on an actual case. That it was in fact - fact.

That was the advent of Political Correctness and now the chickens are coming home to roost in the person of Barak HUSSEIN Obama.

we will never forget the Rev. Wrong nor will we forget William Ayers and Bernadette Dorn. We also won't forget Screwie Louie FarraKKan.

We're avergae typical white persons with long memories. We cling to our guns and our religion. Even if we didn't until the Anointed One statyed that we do.

We're in some interesting company under the Obama bus.

[Truther]

Has anyone considered that Monica should have her own talk show? Considering the access she has to people, it shouldn't be hard to set up.

[Truther]

Where in the world is :John F. Tefft?

Don't these people make public statements anymore? Monica should call him up, if she can reach him, and interview him.

[gringoman]

Michael,

Something's got to be wrong if you, Fred and I all agree on something. I'll leave it at that, especially since I'm not even sure what the JFK point of convergence is. And maybe I was too pessimistic. Maybe said point is just a misunderstanding, and we don't really agree.

Anyway, back to something important: US vis-a-vis Russia and China. While disappointed that both you and our Monica seem fully on board with the Free Traders who will excoriate Russia while bending over backwards for the Boys from Beijing, I am glad to report on Colonel Jack Jacobs this morning.

Jack Jacobs, you may or may not know, is a Medal of Honor winner from Vietnam who is often on air with Don Imus. Jacobs is a tell- it- exactly- as- he- sees- it kind of guy (who also did very well for himself on Wall Street, by the way.)

Imus drew him out on the current war in Georgia. Now Jacobs didn't sound like he was reading the gringoman comments posted here recently (I doubt that he's ever heard of them). Which made his own comments all the more striking (thinks I) Among his outstanding points:

1. US policy often inept. These people do not seem to know what they're doing.

2. In Georgia the US is showing once again that it can encourage (egg on?) a friend, but when the crunch comes, what can the US really do? No way to run a business.

3. A Major Point: China does know what it's doing. China's spying and cyber warfare against US is about ten times the amount that Russia is doing. Americans seem clueless. (gringoNote ,not Jacobs: And why not? The globalista guys are making fortunes by going along with China's thugocracy. For US capitalistas, China is infinitely more lucrative than Russia. Even Marx could have predicted the capitalist reaction, and its to-hell-with-US borders and sovereignty, a la MBA Georgie Bush.)

Michael, I was pleased to note that Col. Jacobs membership in the CFR has not deprived him of a clear American vision.

PS And of course Jacobs will vote for McCain. What else is there?

[FK]

Gringoman: "Michael is not around here intensively enough (no doubt having more important things to do)to get a fair idea of why Fred is seen as a devious (and disingenuous) jerk."

__________________________________________

Michael has gotten a good idea of what goes on on this blog, and I have made my position on this blog clear to him.

It would be nice to get through one thread without Gringoman or Ummah throwing out unwarranted insults, but that may as big a pipe dream as some people's claim that GWB will be seen as a great president in the future.

[Michael Avari]

Gringoman,

I read most everything on this blog, except I admit I skip through the diatribes between you, UG, Fred, and Timothy. Don't take this personally. I like all of you. If you get your jollies out that kind of bantering, fine, but it is not for me - with all due respect.

As far as agreeing with Fred, I guess I could be cute and say that true to Conservative principles I value every man for the intrinic value endowed them by their Creator. Therefore the truth has nothing to do with who utters it. It is absolute.

And I, like Fred, am absolutely convinced JFK was naive vis a vis Communism.

And BTW, my friend (I hope I am not being too presumptuous), I have been around here at least as intensively enough to know Fred doesn't deserve the flak he gets. Perhaps if we all tone it down a bit, we might actually have an intelligent discussion ;-)

Best,

[Michael Avari]

intrinsic ... sorry

[gringoman]

(1)I read most everything on this blog, except I admit I skip through the diatribes between you, UG, Fred, and Timothy.

(2)And BTW, my friend (I hope I am not being too presumptuous), I have been around here at least as intensively enough to know Fred doesn't deserve the flak he gets. Perhaps if we all tone it down a bit, we might actually have an intelligent discussion ;-)

Best,

Posted by: Michael Avari | August 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM

Michael,

Confession: I'm having as much difficulty following the logic here of your Apologia Pro Fredus as I am with the official US policy of Russia Bad/China Not So Bad which you and Monica have adopted.

In the first instance, you admit to skipping what you later suggest does not exist, i.e. detailed evidence for positing the odious jerkhood of Fred. You undoubtedly think that Fred doesn't secretly relish the attention and abuse he brings on himself. That's all right. We know you don't come here for the muck of his sick psyche. Nor should you. It does detract from the dignity of the discourse. Strictly speaking this site should have nothing to do with Fred's head, and his subtle lust for these post-Freudian freebies he gets from us, especially from Ummah, and to some extent myself. But voila. C'est la vie Chez Monique. Continue thinking, if you will, that Fred really wants it any other way. Take his whining seriously, if you like. You have no obligation to go down into his mold-ridden basement, especially since he cunningly keeps that door locked to you. You wouldn't want to go down there anyway. Trust us.

Okay, now for something of world importance. In the second instance, you (and let's not forget our darling Monica)skip over the massive evidence that China's espionage and on-going cyber-war against the US is vastly greater than Russia's. Even a straight shooter like Colonel Jack Jabobs, as mentioned in previous gringommentary, says it is ten times Russia's, while Americans at all levels, from Condy and Georgie and The Chicago Machine's Anointed One on down, seem asleep at the switch.

ps. Your gesture of friendship is not presumptuous at all. Why would it be?

pps You say we "might have an intelligent conversation" (provided that the Fred Animus is "toned down.") Is this the perfect subjunctive, i.e. suggesting that there is still a chance to rise to a height not yet achieved? Things could possibly get "intelligent" here, depending on the Fred business?

[FK]

(sigh)

You see what I mean, Michael?

[Ummahgummah]

FreaK is like the schoolyard bully who finally gets one on his nose and mouth when he's upset all the other kids.

Then he goes running to mommy or the teach pretending he's the victim.. batting his moist eyes: "They're so MEAN to me.. they keep beating me up."

Let's drop the charade ok?

Michael, you are also requested to stop feeding into it.

Lying and/or willful ignorance is not a trait which Conservatives should adopt from the liEbs.

That's exactly what we find fault with McCain for.

He ignores their insults and their insanity and one day he wakes up and he has become one of them.

Only he fails to realize it.

"Only we ourselves can free our minds".
Bob Nesta Marley

[Ummahgummah]

FreaK is like the schoolyard bully who finally gets one on his nose and mouth when he's upset all the other kids.

Then he goes running to mommy or the teach pretending he's the victim.. batting his moist eyes: "They're so MEAN to me.. they keep beating me up."

Let's drop the charade ok?

Michael, you are also requested to stop feeding into it.

Lying and/or willful ignorance is not a trait which Conservatives should adopt from the liEbs.

That's exactly what we find fault with McCain for.

He ignores their insults and their insanity and one day he wakes up and he has become one of them.

Only he fails to realize it.

"Only we ourselves can free our minds".
Bob Nesta Marley

[Ummahgummah]

Oh and by the way.. it doesn't take a FreaK to realize that JFK was naive re. Communism!

ROFLMAO!!

If he was really serious about that he'd be holding his nose while getting drunk and voting McCain.. ANYTHING but to get this naive Obambi into the White House.

It's all rhetoric with him. He'll vote Dhimmicrat for life.. until the day there's no more voting and the henchmen come a-knocking on his door.

Stoning, public hanging or beheading.. that will be the only thing he'll have to concern himself with when that time comes.

So please..

Personally I think Kennedy has been lionized way too much already and let's not forget the effect his brother Ted had on "immigration" either.

[naijaman]

I would probably take Monica's "critique" of Obama regarding this Georgia/Russia affair a bit more seriously IF she had explained to us all here why John McCain, with all his supposed foreign policy experience, relied on Wikipedia for his speech regarding the Georgia/Russia conflict. I guarantee everyone here that had Obama done what McCain did, Monica would have gone apoplectic and proclaimed that Obama's reliance on Wikipedia for his foreign policy speech proved he was unqualified to be president.
I can only imagine the posts from Ummah, Gringoman, SteveOk and others if it was Obama who lifted his speech's contents from Wikipedia.

Can't say I'm surprised though.

[FK]

Michael --

You can see above why this blog will never be a good place for reasonable discourse among people across the political spectrum.

[Ummahgummah]

And I can imagine why Najisman keeps changing the subject when the other side brings up inconvenient facts.

I am still waiting to hear how the near-lynching of the Swiss footballers can be labeled a "fracas".

Maybe I'll supply the group with a Youtube link.

[Ummahgummah]

If you understand German you can hear the reporter speaking about tthe "tumults" on the way to the locker rooms. The Turkish fans were throwing things at the Swiss players right at the end of the match.

Normally there's a handshake on the field and the players exchange jerseys as well.

That is how fair-minded footballers do it.

Now that the element of islam has crept into even European footbal you can forget about fair play.

JUST LIKE THEY INTRODUCED TERRORISM TO THE OLYMPICS IN 1972.

But "open-minded" liberals continue to blubber on about the 'palestinian grievances'.

islam.. the cult that keeps on giving..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnOuIg-15Xw

And they made the Swiss team wait almost 2 hours in customs which is unheard of between footballing nations. The Turks only had to wait five minutes to get through Swiss customs in their away game preceding this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk4kjsTbiZ4&feature=related

[Ummahgummah]

Oh Naijaman.. WHERE's the LINK that shows McCain using Wikipedia?

I'd criticize anyone for using Wiki, since it's completely run by leftists.

You just cannot get accurate information on Wiki.

[Ummahgummah]

If you go on Youtube with one of the two links I provided you can see pleanty more of this sad match.

It was carried out in typical turkish fashion.

Just another reminder why they simply do not belong in the European Union.

[FK]

Now leftists are controlling Wikipedia? You mean the on-line encyclopedia that ANYONE can post on? Does your paranoia know no bounds, Ummah?

[Ummahgummah]

Fred, I am not the only one who complains about wkik.

They have so-caled "committees" and "moderators" and "votes" on what articles to publish and on what to delete.

Since leftists and islamos have the most time on their hands it's pretty clear what the result is.

[Ummahgummah]

Fred, I am not the only one who complains about wkik.

They have so-caled "committees" and "moderators" and "votes" on what articles to publish and on what to delete.

Since leftists and islamos have the most time on their hands it's pretty clear what the result is.