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January 14, 2008

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SteveOk

(Timeonline)"James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress and a veteran of the civil rights movement, referred to a comment made by Mrs Clinton on Monday, the day before her stunning comeback in New Hampshire set up a brutal nomination battle with Mr Obama.

Mrs Clinton, trying to make a point about presidential leadership and Mr Obama’s constant references to Dr King, the civil rights icon, said: “Dr King’s dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done.”

Mrs Clinton has since tried to clarify the comment, but the damage was done. Mr Clyburn, who had previously said that he would stay neutral, told The New York Times that he had been “bothered a great deal” by the remarks and was rethinking his position."
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It's really a pretty ignorant statement by Hillary. It's like saying women would have been given the right to vote without the "women's suffragette" movement, or the dimwits who say slavery would have ended without the Civil War (yes when hell froze over). It's a shockingly bigoted and ignorant statement that a candidate for President should not have made. The fact that the statement was made is one thing, but the fact that someone would even believe that is shocking.

Senator Obama has been mentioning the legacy of Martin Luther King in his speeches throughout this campaign and I have admired Obama's admiration of this great man. For Hillary to attempt to belittle the legacy of Martin Luther King in a political campaign for President is (I agree with Monica) one of the dirtiest tricks possible. They people have no shame, they will throw their grandmother under the bus to win an election.

Ree

Monica,

Were you watching Imus in the Morning, and did you catch Rob Bartlett as Bill Clinton, telling his fairy tale..once up on a time.

Jack Flynn

Then there is that non-mythical, white racist witch blogger, plagiarist and Nixon protegee, (M.C.),
who is hail bent on smearing the reputation of Hillary Clinton, by playing the race card or any dirty trick she can muster in a fanatical attempt to take down that extraordinarily intelligent and talented woman who, for the past thirty five years, has dedicated her life to serving her country

gringoman

Nice fairy tale, but the fantasy gets exceptionally fantastic, as where you say that nobody much cared about race, the implication being that they ignore what they profess not to care about.


Cara mia, the Slicks didn't get where they are by believing the pieties and cant and dishonesty of the urbanized boobocracy and its media. More so than the punditocracy, they have to be in some touch with reality, They even have to notice things. They notice, for example, that the "color-blind" society of so-called bigots and so-called anti-bigots denotes a pigmented candidate as "black." Oh, sure, nobody "cares" about the color but everybody mentions it anyway. (Reality check: When Bush ran against Gore or Kerry, nobody mentioned the "white" candidates.)

And of course the Slicks understand that to dominate a society you must understand its dishonesty and pretense and the importance of the phoney. They would understand instinctively that Liberal Racism in the "color-blind" society has replaced the old Conservative Racism that never pretended to be color blind.(Of course Southerners tend to be a little more in touch than the North's trust fund babies and its hirelings.) Away from cameras and mikes, the Clintons probably even have a little chuckle at times over how even their Afro confederates---who they understand far better than the typical Northern elite hick can hope to--- call the son of a white mother "black" and how even the nice white Republicans tag along helplessly with the charade. They understand perfectly that no wuss will dare question publicly why the father's color is emblazoned and the mother's dumped down the memory hole. They know Ivy League too well to be suckered by its pedigrees.

And by the way, it was not the Bubba Man who called himself the first black President. It was award-winning black author Tony Morrison. He's just playing along with everybody else's conceit. And it crackles nicely with the hip new double-standard racism that now rules after Lyndon Baines Johnson and Martin Luther King did so much to overcome the old (but arguably less double-standard) racism.


(gringoVision [http://www.gringoman.com/] serving America since 9.11)

SteveOk

Hillary has also repeatedly injected gender into this race in a desperate attempt to get the nomination. That was the only way she could win New Hampshire is to appeal to older women voters. She was even willing to divide the women vote (old from young) in order to win the Primary.

I can see the girls setting around the Madrassah (Wellesley) with Hillary talking about their admiration for LBJ. It was really LBJ that brought us Civil Rights and not MLK. Now that's a "fairy tale".

J. Pierpont Finch

Seriously, THIS NATION CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER BIG SPENDING PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS NO MATTER WHAT THE PARTY LABEL IS AND NO MATTER WHAT RACE THE PEOPLE ARE!

Future costs of Medicare, Social Security threaten U.S. debt rating

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59692

FK

My understanding is that Clinton referred to Obama's views on Iraq as a fairy tale, not Obama's entire campaign.

charlie

Desperation often causes people to make mistakes.
When Obama was perceived as harmless, we didn't see these attacks. Now that he has emerged as a viable contender, every effort will be made to belittle and drag him down.
Attempting to negate the importance of MLK was stupid, and could be costly. Many Blacks, who were undecided in their support, may now opt for Obama.

Still, there are many with the 'plantation mentality' and will side with the white massa--no matter what--in order to be in his/her good graces.
Remember how many joined in hunting for and capturing their runaway brethren?
So, Bro. Barak, don't take anything for granted!

Jack Flynn

Only a stupid person or a fermenter of racial discord, would suggest that Hillary Clinton, with her years of civil rights work, would underestimate or seek to diminish the importance of Martin Luther King and his role in history. When she referred to LBJ, she was simply pointing out his role as the political impetus in getting Civil Rights legislation passed.
MLK remains as the main spiritual and cultural leader of the movement. Without both of those leaders, civil rights for blacks would have remained in its infancy and the confederate flag would still be draped on public buildings throughout the South.

Brooklyn

It is a truly sad state in the USA, to see the unethical Clinton Malfeasance try to return to the White House.

Amazing to see Democrats continue to support those who lied about the genocide in Rwanda.

Hillary and Bill seem to lie every day, and Our Nation deserves so much better.

It is not only embarrassing, it is actually quite tragic.

SteveOk

(Timeonline)"James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress and a veteran of the civil rights movement, referred to a comment made by Mrs Clinton on Monday, the day before her stunning comeback in New Hampshire set up a brutal nomination battle with Mr Obama.

Mrs Clinton, trying to make a point about presidential leadership and Mr Obama’s constant references to Dr King, the civil rights icon, said: “Dr King’s dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done.”

Mrs Clinton has since tried to clarify the comment, but the damage was done. Mr Clyburn, who had previously said that he would stay neutral, told The New York Times that he had been “bothered a great deal” by the remarks and was rethinking his position."
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Jack, I'll repost my excerpt from Timeonline concerning Hillary's statement and REP. Clyburn's response. He is the highest ranking black member of Congress and is disturbed by her comments. Is he fomenting racial discord? You can't compare LBJ with MLK, it's ignorant. LBJ was a political hack who got us into Vietnam where over 50,000 Americans died. LBJ didn't "pass" the Civil Rights law, he put his signature on it after Congress (thanks to a majority of Republicans) passed the legislation.

Truther

I once believed in politics, but now .... I am considering taking up astronomy.
I am going to join Dennis, and take a break from politics. Lou Dobbs did the same thing a while back. Monica is right; this seems to just go on and on.

After I flatten out and gain some perspective, I'll be back.

M/M

Romney and Clinton win Michigan!

SAY NO TO McCAIN-KENNEDY

SteveOk

M/M, it's a huge win for Romney and it shows that he can win blue states in the general election. His numbers are huge. It also shows that McCain can't win the nomination because in every state, Romney wins the Republican vote. Only in states where Independants and Democrats can vote in the Republican race does McCain win. As we leave these early states and move to the majority of states where only Republicans can vote Romney will take the nomination easily.

SteveOk

This is funny. McCain comes out to give his speech tonight and Mitt Romney comes out at the same time and all the networks have to switch to Romney since he won the Primary. McCain gets shut out of his speech. Good for Romney, great move.

Jack Flynn

Steveok,
I don't think you realize how bright Hillary is. She was making a metaphor, a logical one at that.
She was saying, in effect: If you have a dream, it is a President like me who will help you make that dream happen. And she didn't mean just black people. She was appealing to all.
She doesn't seem to like Obama, but opposites, sometimes, goad the best out of each other. For that reason, she would be we wise to pick him for VP, whether she likes him personally, or not.
Do I think that will happen? Not likely, but possible.
Obama offers hope. Hillary offers a laser like mental focus, persistence, endurance, commitment and know how. In the midst of all that, she has a deep affection for her fellow human beings.
Whatever happens, Hillary can only be fifty one percent loved, half a martyr, sort-to-speak.
But, she will give us every scrap of herself, far more than G.W's 11%.
Beyond that, she is a junkyard dog. Where she got that particular quality, even her family doesn't know, but given the appropriate time and circumstance, I'm sure they would say that it was that snake oil carnival barker, Bill Clinton, that sent her wrong.
In the old West, Hillary might have been the seasoned lady bar owner, (like Kitty in "Gunsmoke"), who survived the male dominated brutal times by providing a vital service.
As President she will do the same. She will provide a vital service for us.

She will help us avoid extinction.

Not much has changed, has it?
But, we do have a choice. We can choose to enter her establishment, or not.

I believe it is called, "The Village".

charlie

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Some people can't make a point without being personal and nasty--tacitly and directly.
Yet, when they are treated likewise, they take offense and have the gall to ask for an apology.

Jack Flynn

Your acute sensitivity is duly noted Charlie.

charlie

Brother man,
I grew up rough and tough on a mudflat.
If you want to play dirty, that's fine with me.

Jack Flynn

From the National Environmental Fact Sheet:

"Mudflats provide an important habitat for bottom-dwelling creatures, and thus provide food for predatory fish, birds and invertebrates such as the horseshoe crab, mud snail and various shellfish species."

Must have been a tough life. Which species are you Charlie? Looks like you have been playing "dirty" since you were born.

charlie

Nice of you to acknowledge how important a role we 'mudflat' denizens play in the ecology.

Now that my part has been established, what's yours?
A parasitic maggot?

Hope you don't run away again. You make a good punching bag.

Jack Flynn

No more nice guy, huh?
After all the deception, bias and hate you dispersed on this blog in 2007 under a plethora of aliases and stolen identities, the sugar coated words you have been hiding behind lately, fall like poison on those who remember and/or were maligned by your lies and false accusations, so why bother to be nice at all?
In spite of your recent candy coated words, you remain what you are in the eyes of those who have not forgotten the dissension, turmoil and ill will you spread like manure on this blog.
What some might not realize is that you are still using other aliases while letting Charlie pretend to be saint and peacemaker.
Recently, as Charlie, (a character as vacuous as puffed rice), you had the audacity to quote from Desiderata.
How dare you promulgate or even mention Desiderata as though it were part of your value system. It is worse than hypocrisy. It is positively disgusting.
Desiderata is about humility—an aspect of character with which you are utterly unfamiliar.

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